Will this game ever get open world pvp?

Ive been playin a fair amount of games in the past ?? years with open PVP.
And not a single one was good.
We dont need that type of stuff in FFXIV, we already have PVP.

Greetz,
Mörser out

There's nothing funny about games where people mind their own bussiness and someone randomly kills them just cause xD

I hope not. I do wish however they'd do things more like WoWs battlegrounds. I know they have a few kindaish ones but I'd love pvp grounds like wow or rift for fun. Open World just wouldnt work in FFXIV. At most maybe one island or something for it, maybe.

I could only see something like this working similar to how DC Universe Online handled it - being able to toggle PvP mode on and off (albeit with a cooldown after triggering it on or off to prevent abuse).

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The fraction of people with intention your described is so small while majority of these self-proclaimed "World PvPers" comes with ill intentions.
They are just player killers.
World PvP only works at instance where Horde attack Alliance capital (vice versa) will lead to some fun fights, most of them, is opposite of what you are describing.

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To repeat, you may well have a had a poor experience in one game, That doesn't mean that it applies to ALL games. I've definitely had extremely enjoyably OW PVP in more than one game. Did that mean that I was never ganked? absolutely not, in fact I've had my fair share of people dancing over my corpse. I've also had my taste of well earned sweet revenge.

That being said, I would never say that PVP is for everyone, and that's absolutely fine, just as there is a large segment of people who have either no ability or even interest in serious raiding. You do you.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

To repeat, you may well have a had a poor experience in one game, That doesn't mean that it applies to ALL games. I've definitely had extremely enjoyably OW PVP in more than one game. Did that mean that I was never ganked? absolutely not, in fact I've had my fair share of people dancing over my corpse. I've also had my taste of well earned sweet revenge.

That being said, I would never say that PVP is for everyone, and that's absolutely fine, just as there is a large segment of people who have either no ability or even interest in serious raiding. You do you.

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Don't assume I turned down World PvP just because I have poor experience, that is your first and most crucial mistake
Myself is active in world PvP until lol War Mode is there.
It doesn't change the fact that people like you and me are minority and most of people self-proclaim to be World PvPers are just bunch of losers.

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Originally Posted by Sathona

There's nothing funny about games where people mind their own bussiness and someone randomly kills them just cause xD

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well, in some games, all's fair since that's what "open world" means.

To prvent that, basically you:

1- travel with friends

2- practise your PVP skills

3- develop good situational awareness

4- Get geared

Pick any combination of the above, depending upon your skills and preferences.

I mean would PVP in open world be so bad if you have to consent to a duel prior to engagement?

Additionally you can have an option to automatically reject duel requests.

I don’t really understand how’d that hamper people if it’s entirely optional.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

I mean would PVP in open world be so bad if you have to consent to a duel prior to engagement?

Additionally you can have an option to automatically reject duel requests.

I don’t really understand how’d that hamper people if it’s entirely optional.

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Have you not experience War Mode from WoW?
What is the point?
I am pretty sure I rolled on a PvP server in TBC but by the last expansion, none of allies are even flag their War Mode on.
It is going to be the same thing here especially when FF14 original audience is PvE.

I’d love to see it, but this community wouldn’t be able to handle it.

Just imagine, a degenerate griefer killing you as soon as you start a long cutscene all night and you can never progress the story. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken

Just imagine, a degenerate griefer killing you as soon as you start a long cutscene all night and you can never progress the story. No thanks.

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Or they could just make you immune to combat while in a cutscene.

Feel like every thread that proposes open world pvp is actually some kind of scheme to see who can farm the most thumbs up by finding the snarkiest way to say no.

I dont need to be snarky... but most games that have this are built WITH it... any copy paste in version would be sure to be fail from the word go.

that and the OP's post is one very good reason it would fail. that desire to gank seems strong in most who cheerlead for open world pvp

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont need to be snarky... but most games that have this are built WITH it... any copy paste in version would be sure to be fail from the word go.

that and the OP's post is one very good reason it would fail. that desire to gank seems strong in most who cheerlead for open world pvp

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Speaking of ganks, I can't wait to demolish gank squads in Elden Ring.

Just think player just starts out on the game at level 1 and leave the city just to be killed by highest level characters and not be able to do anything. No thanks

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

I mean would PVP in open world be so bad if you have to consent to a duel prior to engagement?

Additionally you can have an option to automatically reject duel requests.

I don’t really understand how’d that hamper people if it’s entirely optional.

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Because that's not what "open world PvP" means.

PvP is so much fun! Until you're in a MSQ dialogue lock, lol. I don't think it'll be a thing. I love the instances for it though!

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a dedicated pvp server would become a meme and likely be mostly dead with a small select few lurking about complaining about how everything is dead.

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And then asking for, or looking for, ways to FORCE people into it.

If WOW tomorrow took away ALL rewards from war mode, you'd see how popular it is..or rather, isnt. FF 14's audience is 99% PVE.

Want open world pvp? WOW is --------------> that way.

After playing Archeage for about a year or two, I hope this game never gets open world PvP and I know it never will. Usually the people who ask for this don't want PvP they just want an excuse to be horrible to others and get away with it.

However, I would be okay with an optional flagging system like Star Wars Galaxies had. You could "flag up" for PvP and attack or be attacked by any other player that had also flagged up for PvP. Completely optional.

No, open world PVP is the nadir of MMO gaming.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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No.
/10char

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

well, in some games, all's fair since that's what "open world" means.

To prvent that, basically you:

1- travel with friends

2- practise your PVP skills

3- develop good situational awareness

4- Get geared

Pick any combination of the above, depending upon your skills and preferences.

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I guess i just find it outdated?
But thats just me.

I prefer having the choise to take part in open world pvp than be forced to it.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The fraction of people with intention your described is so small while majority of these self-proclaimed "World PvPers" comes with ill intentions.
They are just player killers.
World PvP only works at instance where Horde attack Alliance capital (vice versa) will lead to some fun fights, most of them, is opposite of what you are describing.

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That depends. On Steamwheedle Cartel Horde side we just watched them kill the war chief and did nothing.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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Open world pvp is dead in most MMOs. WoW doesn't even do it any more.

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To prvent that, basically you:

1- travel with friends

2- practise your PVP skills

3- develop good situational awareness

4- Get geared

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WOW is---------------> That way.

Open pvp is YOUR fun at someone elses expense. A FLAT NO.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Feel like every thread that proposes open world pvp is actually some kind of scheme to see who can farm the most thumbs up by finding the snarkiest way to say no.

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Askin that type of stuff in a strongly PvE based community...what do ppl expect again?
I could just turn the tables and say "Yadda yadda...the snarkiest way to say yes." without lying.

Greetz,
Mörser out

instanced pvp was when wow started going downhill
https://i.imgur.com/Yso1a0T.png

Nope nada no

Whats with all the posts wanting to WoWify the game lately? There is a game for that kind of stuff. It's called WoW. They ain't doing so great.

Doubtful. However, I would love it if we could flag ourselves for PVP if you wanted to. Heck, I would even be happy for the ability to challenge someone to duel out side of the Wolves Den.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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Open world PvP has historically been proven as undecidedly unpopular. New World attempted it their first beta and were absolutely flooded with complaints. Turns out the overwhelming majority of players don't like being ganked randomly by some random stranger looking to troll them. Shocking, I know. Therefore, a server dedicated to this would be completely wasteful as few would want to be on it. The best they could do is an opt-in flag but that just isn't suit the type of game or audience FFXIV strives for.

Knowing SE if they ever do full pvp zones, it'll have all sorts of penalties...

A Bozja like zone dedicated to PvP would be fun. It could be an alternative way to earn Wolfmarks, where you can do quests or PvP to earn them and maybe rank up to earn old feast rewards no longer available. But it should stay that pvp rewards for pvp and should stay completely optional.

Open world pvp favours only people that find satisfaction in others misfortune.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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FFXIV is nothing like BDO where you have open world pvp being actually good and not macro spam on a single button. There is no depth in ffxiv pvp mode. I definitely don’t see a reason to have open world pvp enabled in this game.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Open world PvP has historically been proven as undecidedly unpopular. New World attempted it their first beta and were absolutely flooded with complaints. Turns out the overwhelming majority of players don't like being ganked randomly by some random stranger looking to troll them. Shocking, I know. Therefore, a server dedicated to this would be completely wasteful as few would want to be on it. The best they could do is an opt-in flag but that just isn't suit the type of game or audience FFXIV strives for.

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Also the Devs didnt really know what to do that game and I still dont think they know lol. New World was built ground up as PvP MMO.

The main issue with Open world PvP is that most games do not know what to really do with it and dont offer much anything as rewards unless they do like a loot drop but that typically not pop at all even by a lot of hardcore PvP base since again most companies dont know how to do open world PvP and also does not implement a good system to punish people either camping undergear players or low lvls

I just wish that they did offer better PvP options for those that want PvP. I miss Rising Force Online PvP and old school L2 =P

Open world pvp is not existing anymore in wow, pvp flagged is only used for the bonus you get ingame. So why get open world pvp in FF 14? Nobody would like to have this. More battle grounds would be nice, large ones like alterac for example, that would be fun.

It could be fun to get add like Guild Wars 2 and the Tri-faction RvR. a dedicated zone with Attack/Defense on a whole map, where you can create/destroy walls and stuffs.