Worst Game Release ever

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Originally Posted by MacCrushington

I doubt SE will fix it… honestly a lot of the problems could be solved with a change in one simple section of their code… when people get kicked randomly for the 2002 bug, give them more time to get back into queue before they lose their place in line. Several times I’ve been queued for multiple hours, got a random kick followed by being unable to reconnect to the data center for several attempts and then finally reconnecting to find myself back at the end of the line.

I can forgive technical problems, poor coding is another thing.

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100%. From a software engineer stand point that have worked on multiple illegal mmo servers, this is one of the worst networking I have seen used. There are so many things that they could have done to make everything much better or that should have already been in.

For instance, losing connection in a game if it wasn't done through a proper shutdown method can be considered as a saved spot in queue for x time - which they don't even do. Random crash! back to a 5 hour wait to get in game - but only after if I make it in time after the 50 error 2002's on a stable connection.

Other than that, there should be no reason to have a limit of "17k" connections hitting the login server - if something like that is occurring, then that's some bad code and design. Then again, if you want the most out of any mmo, you should just drop using any form of game engine and code the game from scratch with tools alongside - you end up with better performance overall by doing things correctly for an mmo.

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Originally Posted by WastedWanderer

Yoshi P is giving us 7 days free so no HE IS PAYING YOUR SUB quit yapping dont believe me check out the news page ...
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...9cad782363f25b
But please go back to WoW we don't need you anyway..

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lol Pay the sub you cannot log on to... And you think you are getting something...

I think Yoshi P needs to invest in server infrastructure before next patch, they can ease on the glamour in the store, funny thing is there is no internet problems when they are charging for mounts and fantasia.

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Originally Posted by WastedWanderer

Yoshi P is giving us 7 days free so no HE IS PAYING YOUR SUB quit yapping dont believe me check out the news page ...
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...9cad782363f25b
But please go back to WoW we don't need you anyway..

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They say they're giving us 7 days, but still haven't. When I actually see my sub count go up 7 days then I'll be more patient. Can't wait for the news update that says that due to the chip shortage the system was unable to give the 7 days to some players.

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Originally Posted by TeemoTeemosson

They say they're giving us 7 days, but still haven't. When I actually see my sub count go up 7 days then I'll be more patient. Can't wait for the news update that says that due to the chip shortage the system was unable to give the 7 days to some players.

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If you check the post linked by the player you quoted, you'll read that the 7 free days will be granted with the official release of Endwalker, on the 7th of December.

I am legit still flabbergasted nobody (WHO IS ABLE TO DO IT) doesn't do it:





(this excludes workers/students/parents/those who cannot due to other reasons)

But my GOD do I meet people who has more free time in their hands than a cat during a lazy Sunday scrubbing itself off.
for ONCE take your insomnia in advantage and switch it around so you have quick queues during bed times and sleep during peak hours.
Worried you can't play with your friends? Then stop whining, nobody would pay SUB just to hang out with friends they could on DISCORD.
FFS.

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Originally Posted by MacCrushington

Toxic much?

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I dunno m8...id say Karma.

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Originally Posted by MacCrushington

Personally, they can take their seven pity days and shove them. My time is worth more than the couple of bucks of ‘good will’ they threw in.

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Greetz,
Mörser out

I can't believe people would call this the worst launch ever when 1.0 existed.

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Originally Posted by Evilminscer

Facepalms.. Mystery... You're an ass. You need to learn a little social grace.
Your approach to a players legit concerns is borderline troll. Which suggests to me your upbringing is a little than adequate. (meaning you had shit parents that taught you shit values)

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Tells someone they need to learn social grace (we actually already have a word for this: "tact") and proceeds to insult that person's parents in the next sentence....

https://learnenglishwithdemi.files.w...8420fc07aa.jpg

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Originally Posted by mysterybounty

Unless you are literally dying next week and this is your only chance to ever play the expansion than frankly I don't care about your situation. You can do something else with your time until they fix it, your other choice is to never play again, which still requires you to do something that isnt play the game so.....

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Mysterybounty by the look of those rage qutting drama queens , hopefully within a week will reduce queue by few thousands :)

If you really think this is the worse release ever you have not played multiplayer games that long. Does this release have issues? Absolutely.

When you are actually in game though the experience is really really good which is alot more that can be said than many other games

this is not a valid excuse. what they released is a Blizzard style excuse. they knew this was coming and they did absolutely nothing to remedy this. and there solution is to make sure you're hardwired? that's a joke of a solution. And to say they is a shortage of sami-conductors, also just a lazy excuse. they are Square Enix one of the biggest gaming orgs. on the planet. What they released is a sad excuse for a failed launch. getting kicked out of of 3k plus ques is 100% on them. and 7 days play time that's already being payed for is pathetic.

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Originally Posted by wessj4

this is not a valid excuse. what they released is a Blizzard style excuse. they knew this was coming and they did absolutely nothing to remedy this. and there solution is to make sure you're hardwired? that's a joke of a solution. And to say they is a shortage of sami-conductors, also just a lazy excuse. they are Square Enix one of the biggest gaming orgs. on the planet. What they released is a sad excuse for a failed launch. getting kicked out of of 3k plus ques is 100% on them. and 7 days play time that's already being payed for is pathetic.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing.
...and pathetic.

Greetz,
Mörser out

Reading through some of these I see a either a lot of people new to MMOs or a lot of entitlement that don't understand that you can't just go out and buy more servers like you can storage space for us consumers. Especially when you competing with other services and bigger corporations that need servers just as much as this game does.

Those saying "they had a WHOLE YEAR TO PREPARE", I have to ask do they honestly believe a year is enough to prepare for about 25mil people trying to log in at the same time, all the while dealing with chip shortages and competing with MS, Sony, Amazon, Google, Apple, Samsung, every car manufacturer known on earth, every computer parts manufacturer, streaming services that need just as much servers as ffxiv does?

You truly think a year is enough to deal with all that, in a year where covid was at its heavy and hardest hitting point?

Stop acting like children, and if you are a kid, time to grow up and understand that sometimes shit happens and we have to learn to deal with it and not just have a meltdown when things don't go the way you hope they do.

Don't get me wrong, you're free to complain all you want, any way you want, but you aren't free from critique yourself and being call out in how childish you are being.

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Originally Posted by Svichi

Reading through some of these I see a either a lot of people new to MMOs or a lot of entitlement that don't understand that you can't just go out and buy more servers like you can storage space for us consumers. Especially when you competing with other services and bigger corporations that need servers just as much as this game does.

Those saying "they had a WHOLE YEAR TO PREPARE", I have to ask do they honestly believe a year is enough to prepare for about 25mil people trying to log in at the same time, all the while dealing with chip shortages and competing with MS, Sony, Amazon, Google, Apple, Samsung, every car manufacturer known on earth, every computer parts manufacturer, streaming services that need just as much servers as ffxiv does?

You truly think a year is enough to deal with all that, in a year where covid was at its heavy and hardest hitting point?

Stop acting like children, and if you are a kid, time to grow up and understand that sometimes shit happens and we have to learn to deal with it and not just have a meltdown when things don't go the way you hope they do.

Don't get me wrong, you're free to complain all you want, any way you want, but you aren't free from critique yourself and being call out in how childish you are being.

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I agree with this.

I think it's fine to be frustrated that you can't play your game. I am also frustrated that I have to wait in long queus and sit and babysit my computer while I wait for the queue, like everyone is having to go through it. Trust me it's very frustrating, I just want to play the game.

It's really another thing entirely to make hyperbolic statements like: "This is the worst thing ever and the devs are doing nothing about it. They should fix it instead of being silent ect ect."

Like the thing is, the Devs have not been silent, and they are clearly working on fixing it. They've released a post or updated posts every other day about the congestion issues, they're clearly working on it, they've pointed out that it's an issue, so that should really be the end of it. I don't know how much you know about server management, but it's not an issue that can just easily be fixed, behind every dev post apologizing and assuring people that there is an issue there's probably 10-100 network engineers who have spent a sleepless weekend of being on call to try and brainstorm and create some kind f solution to the sheer amount of traffic that they're having to deal with. The fact of the matter is we're trying to force an entire lake worth of liquid into a small pipeline, it's already chugging as much liquid through as it can, and forcing more through is just going to cause spillover. It'd be nice to have more pipes, but we don't we have to work with what we've got.

As frustrating as it is for you to complain that you can't play your game, it's 100 times more frustrating for the people who are trying to do their job to constantly be derided and debased by entitled people who aren't able to play while they're desperately trying to fix this issue.

Have you ever sat to think that maybe the reason they're not giving more updates to the situation that they're in is because they've got their heads down trying to work on it?

bye more room for other people now.

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Originally Posted by wessj4

this is not a valid excuse. what they released is a Blizzard style excuse. they knew this was coming and they did absolutely nothing to remedy this. and there solution is to make sure you're hardwired? that's a joke of a solution. And to say they is a shortage of sami-conductors, also just a lazy excuse. they are Square Enix one of the biggest gaming orgs. on the planet. What they released is a sad excuse for a failed launch. getting kicked out of of 3k plus ques is 100% on them. and 7 days play time that's already being payed for is pathetic.

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Yeah and at the end of the day a company like Sony, or Samsung, or an major Airport or airplane maker or car company is going to get place first in line for new chips over a game company.

I like FF14. But at the end of the day if Boeing or Airbus come out and say they need server parts and chips they will get them first because well you know you need to be able to fly the PLANES. If a hospital needs to upgrade there servers they will get it first. That means Square, EA, Blizz, etc have to wait at the end of the line because you know Health and safety come first. I mean really you think that Square is more important then the chips need to run any airplane or the servers need in a hospital to run computers.

If that's what you think then you need to step back and get a grip. It's a game it's not your life.

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Originally Posted by Svichi

Reading through some of these I see a either a lot of people new to MMOs or a lot of entitlement that don't understand that you can't just go out and buy more servers like you can storage space for us consumers. Especially when you competing with other services and bigger corporations that need servers just as much as this game does.

Those saying "they had a WHOLE YEAR TO PREPARE", I have to ask do they honestly believe a year is enough to prepare for about 25mil people trying to log in at the same time, all the while dealing with chip shortages and competing with MS, Sony, Amazon, Google, Apple, Samsung, every car manufacturer known on earth, every computer parts manufacturer, streaming services that need just as much servers as ffxiv does?

You truly think a year is enough to deal with all that, in a year where covid was at its heavy and hardest hitting point?

Stop acting like children, and if you are a kid, time to grow up and understand that sometimes shit happens and we have to learn to deal with it and not just have a meltdown when things don't go the way you hope they do.

Don't get me wrong, you're free to complain all you want, any way you want, but you aren't free from critique yourself and being call out in how childish you are being.

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Lets get this right. MMO's are not a new form of gaming. There is clear cut examples out as reference to what should initially be prepared for. For instance, Pre-orders for example is a decent reference as to the volume of player base to increase. Another would be the increased marketing for the games release and volume of "trending" that comes with a new release.

Defending all of the non preventative natures that has occurred again from a triple A title is astounding to say the least.

How about simplification. How many total servers does SE have? What is the total volume allocated to each server? What is the total que limit per server? All of these questions have simple answers. All of the challenges faced with each potential issue per question have variable outcomes and or, preventative measures. Responding to a clearly upset community with "we are aware of the issues" "here is 7 days free time" only adds fuel to the fire. People as a general that have pre-orderd would expect, from a triple a title, somewhat of a more stable release. What is the point of pre-ordering in the first place? To have EARLY ACCESS. What don't those player base have? EARLY ACCESS. Why? because of overlooking solutions.

I'm not here to demand a refund. I am also not happy about the release. However, I also am not, nor do I have to, accept the release of the game as a sound one. To date SE is still advertising the game to be a great experience and to play the game at launch. To me that would be false advertising as the game isn't in a good state nor is it playable by most. What people most likely would be more happy with when it comes to a failed early access launch would probably be some exclusivity for being a early access player. What is the point of pre-ordering? to have an advantage over players on launch. Which to most they wont have anyway because of the failed early access.

This release has been added to the several other games in the past 3 months that have had failed early access and launches. I would bet money on full release the game is going to flop hard on the reviews by players. It also wont be a stable release. There is no foreseeable update to fix any of the problems in front of us.

Don't be a "bootlicker". Also, don't be that guy who when something is out of control act like everything is working as intended.

Worst ever eh? Apparently you never played through any Everquest 2 Xpacks!!! Back in my day servers were down for days and weeks son!

I just unsubbed. I can not play since the only times I could log on I'm at work or sleeping.

I am not really mad, it was to be expected. I wish they had found a way to guarantee a smoother release - they did not.

I:ll just resub once the storm is over and queues are at an acceptable level for me again.

I just do not want to pay for a service I can personally not use at the moment

The game ain't going away, and will be there in a month or two for me to play still.

Saying the game is bad is just idiotic it's the log in issues that are bad the game itself is awesome I haven't had any issues playing while actually in game and have really enjoyed my time I've spent online. People just need to chill out already this issues will get fixed when they are fixed coming on here and bickering about it isn't going to make them work any faster then they already are at a fix for the issues. and lets face it if they do put a fix in it will be during the next Maintenance that or it will be an emergency Maintenance during peek hours that will just piss more people off so it's just a lose lose kinda thing.....

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Originally Posted by Hammerhorn

Worst ever eh? Apparently you never played through any Everquest 2 Xpacks!!! Back in my day servers were down for days and weeks son!

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To be fair, it was SOE after all. The same devs that asked for feedback but said, if it's too long, we won't read it.

Wait until tomorrow...

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Originally Posted by Sirbrah

Lets get this right. MMO's are not a new form of gaming. There is clear cut examples out as reference to what should initially be prepared for. For instance, Pre-orders for example is a decent reference as to the volume of player base to increase. Another would be the increased marketing for the games release and volume of "trending" that comes with a new release.

Defending all of the non preventative natures that has occurred again from a triple A title is astounding to say the least.

How about simplification. How many total servers does SE have? What is the total volume allocated to each server? What is the total que limit per server? All of these questions have simple answers. All of the challenges faced with each potential issue per question have variable outcomes and or, preventative measures. Responding to a clearly upset community with "we are aware of the issues" "here is 7 days free time" only adds fuel to the fire. People as a general that have pre-orderd would expect, from a triple a title, somewhat of a more stable release. What is the point of pre-ordering in the first place? To have EARLY ACCESS. What don't those player base have? EARLY ACCESS. Why? because of overlooking solutions.

I'm not here to demand a refund. I am also not happy about the release. However, I also am not, nor do I have to, accept the release of the game as a sound one. To date SE is still advertising the game to be a great experience and to play the game at launch. To me that would be false advertising as the game isn't in a good state nor is it playable by most. What people most likely would be more happy with when it comes to a failed early access launch would probably be some exclusivity for being a early access player. What is the point of pre-ordering? to have an advantage over players on launch. Which to most they wont have anyway because of the failed early access.

This release has been added to the several other games in the past 3 months that have had failed early access and launches. I would bet money on full release the game is going to flop hard on the reviews by players. It also wont be a stable release. There is no foreseeable update to fix any of the problems in front of us.

Don't be a "bootlicker". Also, don't be that guy who when something is out of control act like everything is working as intended.

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Where did I say everything was fine? Where did I say I was ok with not being able to log in? Hell I'm at my 4th attempt to log in, started with a 3k que, 2002ed and every subsequent time i got booted the que goes up by 1k. I'm not happy, I'm frustrated and upset too. Difference is I understand why this is happening and I know the devs aren't sitting back rolling around naked in our preorder EA money right now. They are just as pissed as I am trying to make it work because they actually play their own game and right now they can't either because we can't.

How much do you know about FFXIV devs? You are aware that while SE is the publisher, the actual devs haven't had a large budget until recently (meaning they didn't have a big budget to work with for this expansion but will for the subsequent ones). Creative Business Unit 3 is the dev for FFXIV and they have had a shoe string budget and until recently weren't a tentpole for SE as far as budgeting and prestige since it was only their second MMO. Meaning they couldn't just allocate more resources to buy up more servers and bodies to work on their current ones (not that a bigger budget would help there since servers are scarce due to shortages and competition from other entities for those same parts).

All I said was for those who are being hyperbolic and seem to be under the impression that they can just throw money at a problem that it would fix it all (not that SE has the money to throw around to begin with. They aren't as big a publisher as some make them out to be).

In their preparation for this game while working on EW, they absolutely had no idea that there would be an influx and injection of the WoW refugees that added probably an additional 5mil players to the count that they clearly weren't prepared for. You can blame them and claim incomitance, but they had 1.2mil additional people sign up to their game between September and October. Tell me what could they possibly do in the last six months before the launch when the influx started to prepare for the new players they had no way of knowing would flood the gates? Sure there is always account for possibility of more players joining, but that's usually for a few hundred thousand to mil at most, but I don't think 5mil+ new players were a part of their calculations. This is an unprecedented situation with the perfect storm of WoW troubles and bleeding players, big name WoW streamers joining FFXIV and their communities following in the millions, and then add in the returning players too. I doubt any MMO could prepare for a situation like that.

My whole point of the post was geared towards the hyperbolic doomsayers and those who seem to think there was some malicious intent to just take their money and turn their backs to the community. I understand some of those new players might be coming here from a previously toxic relationship with past devs and are a bit jaded, but that isn't the case here.

Does that make me a bootlicker?

Two things I want to add: At the very least on my server I've had very few issues getting in and experienced next to no issues when I was in besides one disconnect on launch
and this is the funniest thread I've ever seen on a forum

Someone has obviously never been in a warcraft launch. Everytime I can get into the game it's very smooth play. I am not running into quests I can't turn in or find NPCs for. Every other game I have played at an expact launch isn't just rough queues, there are all kinds of issues in game as well. The queues suck, error 2002 sucks, but this is the best expac release I have ever seen.

Worst release ever?

Oh my sweet Summer child...

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Originally Posted by STiAT

I just unsubbed. I can not play since the only times I could log on I'm at work or sleeping.

I am not really mad, it was to be expected. I wish they had found a way to guarantee a smoother release - they did not.

I:ll just resub once the storm is over and queues are at an acceptable level for me again.

I just do not want to pay for a service I can personally not use at the moment

The game ain't going away, and will be there in a month or two for me to play still.

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This is a perfectly reasonable and respectable response and reaction. Hopefully it smooths out quickly so you can come back sooner than later. I personally just rearranged my sleep schedule a bit. I started going to be shortly after getting home from work and waking up early to login for a few hours. It's worked out pretty well, and the side benefit is that my sleep schedule is switched around in advance of a 12 hour drive in 2 weeks that I'll be starting at 3 a.m.