Button Bloat But Nah?

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

Eh, it depends on people. Many casual players don't know it is a thing. Arm's Length for tank is a slow-inducing skill that helps mitigate damage. For knockback immunity, I use it very often as a melee or a caster. Save me sometimes to run back.





A Logitech G502 Hero should work. Buttons are very big and plenty.

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Too small for my hands, I had one for a while lol. It cramped terribly after a bit. Using a naga trinity at the moment, with the 6 button layout.

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Any M&KB player NOT using an MMO mouse is just living a lie. Sure, your good, good enough even. But imagine being better! Imaging having everything literally at your fingertips! For myself I use a Roccat Nyth, when that dies it'll probably be replaced with a G600. Cheap and good.

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Perhaps you didn't mean your first statement too literally, but I personally would get hindered more by using an MMO mouse because 1. the button placement looks awkward, no way I'm relying only on my thumb and 2. given where I live the fancier the mouse, the more easily they seem to break. My Polish friend has a Logitech mouse with 2 extra buttons and has gotten use out of it for 5+ years; when I bought the same thing the right click became unresponsive within weeks. Honestly the cheapo wireless mice I use right now with your standard 2+middle buttons has been more reliable.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Too small for my hands, I had one for a while lol. It cramped terribly after a bit. Using a naga trinity at the moment, with the 6 button layout.

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That's the one I used. I upgraded to Naga Pro after Trinity started double clicking (all mouse brands have gone cheap) and Pro lacks that side panel. Instead they added some bad Battle Royale panel.

I use the 12 button panel but only around 6 of those. Fingers are too big to easily use the buttons in the middle area

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

nope i literally never saw anyone use it. Ive never wanted to risk falling off the edge just to see what knockbacks it works for
then again most casuals cant even LB so im not surprised it had its uses after all. still never pushed it.

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If you never saw anyone use it then you're not doing content where it's relevant.

Pretty surprising though since tanks use it as mitigation in trash pulls.

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

I'm fine with many keybinds, I've been using an mmo mouse since forever, that solves everything for me. I highly recommend those to everyone playing FFXIV on the PC.
Currently I use the Corsair Scimitar Elite RGB, 12 buttons right under your thumb, works like a charm.
https://www.corsair.com/medias/sys_m...ITE-BLK-01.png

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An alternative to this MMO mouse, and my preferred one, is the Logitech g600. It's extremely affordable, usually on sale for $40 or less and offers a third mouse click. This allows you to bind that extra click to a modifier key (ctrl, alt, Shift), giving you essentially 24 grid buttons. Basically, you can program almost your entire kit on the mouse itself with this setup.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Perhaps you didn't mean your first statement too literally, but I personally would get hindered more by using an MMO mouse because 1. the button placement looks awkward, no way I'm relying only on my thumb and 2. given where I live the fancier the mouse, the more easily they seem to break. My Polish friend has a Logitech mouse with 2 extra buttons and has gotten use out of it for 5+ years; when I bought the same thing the right click became unresponsive within weeks. Honestly the cheapo wireless mice I use right now with your standard 2+middle buttons has been more reliable.

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While it does take a little adjustment, you'd be surprised how quickly using your thumb to press most of your buttons becomes muscle memory. Obviously, this is entirely subjective but I've known several people who worried about the same thing you were and wound up preferring the mouse I linked.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

If you never saw anyone use it then you're not doing content where it's relevant.

Pretty surprising though since tanks use it as mitigation in trash pulls.

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Not gonna lie I always forget it can be used as a tanking CD.

But I use it all the time to ignore mechanics and stay on boss.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Perhaps you didn't mean your first statement too literally, but I personally would get hindered more by using an MMO mouse because 1. the button placement looks awkward, no way I'm relying only on my thumb and 2. given where I live the fancier the mouse, the more easily they seem to break. My Polish friend has a Logitech mouse with 2 extra buttons and has gotten use out of it for 5+ years; when I bought the same thing the right click became unresponsive within weeks. Honestly the cheapo wireless mice I use right now with your standard 2+middle buttons has been more reliable.

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I'm gonna be honest, I thought it would be clunky to use too. But the logitech g600 is a godsend in that their buttons are made so you don't even have to look at where your thumb is, and for most people it's a pretty comfortable grip. It takes a bit to get used to, like most peripherals, but it took me maybe two weeks and now I can't imagine playing without it. My left hand only has to press ctrl or shift, instead of the number keys at the top, and my right does all my movement, and all my button presses, without causing me any pain ahah.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

... button bloat.

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No such thing as button bloat in this game. It's designed to work on Playstation with a controller. If you add macros and find you run out of room, you are running the wrong macros.


I personally play on the PC, I use a "MMO Mouse" and "Razer Tartarus Pro". I Have 4 hot bars set up for my combat Key binds, the hotbars are mostly empty.

See:

https://i.imgur.com/lWSSE6q.jpg

I match my Hotbars to the top two rows of my controller.

https://i.imgur.com/QcAiEnb.jpg

(On DPS)
Top Row - Single Target DPS
Second Row - Big Hit Single Target, Buff Damage

Shift+ Top - AOE + buffs
Shift+ Bottom - Big Hit AOE

Ctlr Top & Bottom - Self Heals + Buffs

Alt Top& Bottom - Movement & Debuffs/Interrupts/Sleeps

(On Heals)
Top Row - Single Target Heals (Best)
Second Row - DPS Abilities

Shift+ Top - AOE Heals
Shift+ Bottom - Hardly Used Heals

Ctlr Top & Bottom - Debuffs

Alt Top& Bottom - Movement

(On Tanks)
Top Row - Main Combo/s
Second Row - Second Combo

Shift+ Top - AOE
Shift+ Bottom - Shield Cooldowns

Ctlr Top & Bottom - Self Heals + Buffs

Alt Top& Bottom - Movement & Interrupts

--I also have a sidebar that has no keybinds, this is used for start of instance abilities, ie Dance Partner, Tank Stance, etc. ((I also have Living Dead here as it's sadly a never used ability as it always fails to work as indented. Looks at the White mage in the party.

Additionally on my Controller keys 11 to 19 are my F-Keys, which are keybound to my Macro Controlled Hotbar. The Side Hotbar with Macros controls my F-Key hotbar, allowing for changing Jobs, activating other useful tools etc, and then 8 seconds later the Hotbar goes back to default which is seen in the screenshot. In that same corner, I also have hotbars for fun stuff and other uses. You'll See my Bojza Macros, My Custom Changes, and fun emotes. And if for some reason I'm tracking collected items ie Eureka, I'll plop those things on the hotbar to keep track.

You will notice though, as I was in dancer for the alliance raid, that my combat hotbars were mostly empty.







((BTW, I took the screenshot because of an ironic title. Look around you'll laugh when you see it.))
((BTW2 My title is also Ironic, but only noticeable when I'm not in an instance, as my FC on that Character is Lilac Foxes, our FC Tag is <<FOXES>> so the title lines up Lilacs over Foxes, and since that character is the FC owner it's fitting she is the Keeper of Lilacs.))

I just play with a cheap plain keyboard and mouse, there's no need to waste your money on fancy gadgets

https://files.catbox.moe/06r48c.jpeg