Ableism and elitism from the hardcore community is damaging FF14

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This.

You won't believe how many times this has been suggested to the Devs

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I respect you as a person and I dont know you from anyone else on the planet. you deserve decency and civility.

that is basic common respect, which seems to be as lacking as common sense.

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I dunno why people act like they're the Godfather lol.
You can't have a functioning society where there isn't a base level of respect shown to people by default.

It kinda reeks of narcissism too imo to expect people to have to earn your respect like what makes you so important that people need to '' earn '' it?
Respect is something you should just have as a default, it's not something to earn it's something to lose.

I get the feeling that this is like 4 or 5 Titanmen alts arguing with one another with a few normal forum goers mixed into the mess.

I don't see a problem with this.


We have rules set to protect players from these types of players. Also, these players have tools to make like minded groups of players to play with, and can go to discord and say whatever they want. Treat each other how they want, and play and enjoy the game how they want.


If it leaks over to pug settings. Well report them and put these players in their place.


I see no problems with how things are done now? These elitist players belong in the game, and can enjoy the game how they want, as long as it does not leak over into the casual parts of the game.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I dunno why people act like they're the Godfather lol.
You can't have a functioning society where there isn't a base level of respect shown to people by default.

It kinda reeks of narcissism too imo to expect people to have to earn your respect like what makes you so important that people need to '' earn '' it?
Respect is something you should just have as a default, it's not something to earn it's something to lose.

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I agree. I mean you dont have to like everyone, you dont have to treat them like they are special, but you should respect them as a person, especially if they have done nothing to show that they are not worth your time. even as a person who isnt worth the time, they should still be on the receiving end of respect as a person with different opinions. as they say, even trolls need people, and they are in a constant search for validation and affection, friends even, they just have different ways of going about it.

I dont know, I do think that what is lacking in many ways on the internet is that base recognition of 'yes, you are a person, and I can respect you as a person even though we are different'. seems more along the lines of 'you aint me, therefore, you are an idiot and havent earned my respect'.

the problem with the latter position is, they seem to forget... what have they done to earn mine or anyone else's?

Why on earth should I take someone like that? There is nothing anywhere that says I cannot choose my team for high level content. It's not ableism. Get better and people will bring you. Or make your own team

I report jerks, don't be a jerk. It's really that easy.

You guys bit the bait real well. GOOD JOB. This is a typical bait thread by TitanMen's alt accounts.

Any harder content will have a more "toxic" behavior from their lovers...this is natural, just look at MOBAs and competitive E-Sport scenario in general.
The question is: should a company build their game based on a niche of their population? absolutely not. So i don't care.
This isn't damaging FFXIV...you just want some attention, here, take it.

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Originally Posted by Breezelyn

You guys bit the bait real well. GOOD JOB. This is a typical bait thread by TitanMen's alt accounts.

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It's not one of his alts, or supposed alts every time it's a troll.

Please stop thinking we only have one forum troll here. You're giving these forums too much credit.

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Originally Posted by Imora

It's not one of his alts, or supposed alts every time it's a troll.

Please stop thinking we only have one forum troll here. You're giving these forums too much credit.

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this one is, though, it's in line with his older forum accounts either named after gay porn studios or various kinds of medicine
it's a group of people doing it in bursts, anyway, and people are too stupid to ignore them, which makes it even sadder

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Originally Posted by Ativan

There have been numerous threads within the past few months of people gatekeeping others from playing FF14 because of a perceived lack of skill or effort. Coincidentally, there is also an influx of players from another well-known MMO happening concurrently. While I am loathe to suggest any correlation between the two, the reputation of each game speaks for itself.

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Yeah, unfortunately I'm going to have to disagree with you on the whole premise of this post. While I do think that the influx of people from other games has had a mostly negative impact on the community, an increase in player skill level, and a lower tolerance for those who actively do nothing in group content is not one of those negative impacts.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

I would like to remind players that Yoshi P has said that this is a Final Fantasy game first, and an MMO second. Final Fantasy games have always been casual, because it's a story-driven game. The narrative is the important part of Final Fantasy games, not gameplay or technical mastery or hardcore grinding.

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"Disappointment and grinding, these are the core elements of our games." a wise game dev once said.

Also you implied that mounts and certain other obtainable items shouldn't be gated behind harder content. You are forgetting that many final fantasy games had secret (and some not so secret) super bosses. Said bosses would drop items that were only obtainable from them. So having mounts and other stuff locked behind difficult content is fitting for a final fantasy game. In fact, it is integral to it.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

Blah blah blah Too much Skill require in FFXIV gonna kill the game

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So if I understand correctly, the casualization would be a good for the fun on FFXIV?

I just remember something: Don't feed the troll.

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Hi Titanmen.

Maybe I'll read this later.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

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Well, nolifes.

I posted in Titanmen thread

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Originally Posted by Jin-

I posted in Titanmen thread

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Here's your T-shirt.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

have you ever thought that people boost because they are too anxious to play with others? Boosting helps players with social anxiety to skip to the part of the game where it is only necessary to play with NPCs.

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I can not believe what i am reading here..... you can not be serious, like no. This sentence verifies you as a 100% Troll.

Boosting is the Reason ultimate titles and savagegear have lost all Value! Man there is so many Legends in this game and most i ask about mechanics ignore me or log off because they payed Gil/ Real Money to get their shiny Weapons and titles to stand weapons Drawn in limsa. Boosters and boosted are the kinds of players i consider Gamedamaging and i would never play willingly with one of those.

Boosting malformed Ultimate content from: "Ohhhh they have ultimate stuff, they must be a good player!" to: "Oh another Ultimate Guy, i wonder how much he payed."

Edit: i am specifically talking about Hardcore content. Not about Level or Storyboosts.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I can not believe what i am reading here..... you can not be serious, like no. This sentence verifies you as a 100% Troll.

Boosting is the Reason ultimate titles and savagegear have lost all Value! Man there is so many Legends in this game and most i ask about mechanics ignore me or log off because they payed Gil/ Real Money to get their shiny Weapons and titles to stand weapons Drawn in limsa. Boosters and boosted are the kinds of players i consider Gamedamaging and i would never play willingly with one of those.

Boosting malformed Ultimate content from: "Ohhhh they have ultimate stuff, they must be a good player!" to: "Oh another Ultimate Guy, i wonder how much he payed."

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I hope you are informed that there is a legal, first-party method of boosting - Tales of Adventure.

Can someone explain to me who is (or what is) Titanmen? lmao

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Originally Posted by Niimura

Can someone explain to me who is (or what is) Titanmen? lmao

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TitanMen was the 2nd account of a forum troll. The more known of his accounts.

Were on account like... 10 or 11 at least now.

They all have the same post style, the same naming scheme (generally), all have 1 combat 80, all crafters to 80, and miner and botanist, but not fisher.

I don't know how this would help the PlayStation folks, but the PC gamers have an option to use the controller config stuff and go with https://www.xbox.com/en-US/accessori...ive-controller as a hub of sorts to make a controller that would work for you.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Here's your T-shirt.

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Thank you, I wear it with pride

Do you actually play the game or just post crap all day?

Gamers can be toxic in general and it's the worst when it comes to accessibility. I used to work at a gaming company and the offensive shit I've heard from high-level decision-makers was really shocking. "How visible is the disability? We don't want players to think this game is just for disabled people" at my suggestion of including a player with a disability who was singing the praises about the game in an ad. Pretty sure, I ended up getting laid off because of my advocacy for making our games legally compliant with accessibility laws...

How many times did they keep using the same buzzwords? I lost count.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

The fact that the first response is a tirade against boosting, accusing any booster as troll is indicative of the problem with ableism in this game. have you ever thought that people boost because they are too anxious to play with others? Boosting helps players with social anxiety to skip to the part of the game where it is only necessary to play with NPCs.

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You can't even bait properly. There are no trusts for trials and they're required throughout the msq while lvling.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You can't even bait properly.

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Yet people respond 77 pages for them. Or 8+ like this will have.

See how this one will have aaabout 20+

If people dont want these baits to continue, stop responding and move on. Bait is success even if its 100 replies of "oh hey bait again".

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

"How visible is the disability? We don't want players to think this game is just for disabled people"

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That sounds perfectly reasonable to me tbh. Same reason for if I see, let's say, toddlers as the main focus in an advertisement, I'd assume the product is not for me.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

That sounds perfectly reasonable to me tbh. Same reason for if I see, let's say, toddlers as the main focus in an advertisement, I'd assume the product is not for me.

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Having one disabled person in your advertisement doesn't make them the main focus. Nor are the disabled toddlers or pets or such who should discourage you from using a game or facility because you know you might encounter a few.

Accessibility is common in many decent games and mentioning it briefly during advertisement sounds smart.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Having one disabled person in your advertisement doesn't make them the main focus. Nor are the disabled toddlers or pets or such who should discourage you from using a game or facility because you know you might encounter a few.

Accessibility is common in many decent games and mentioning it briefly during advertisement sounds smart.

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I think accessibility options should be included and possibly a selling point in games, but idk about putting it in mainstream ads. Truth is, neither of us have enough details about what kind of advertisement OP was talking about so I don't have a place to say whether or not her supervisors' suggestions were appropriate.

But at the end of the day, I think inclusivity for the sake of moral expression isn't always a good thing when you're trying to market your games, especially when you're trying to keep it focused and simple.

Then again, feel free to tell me your credentials in advertising if you have them and I'll concede my point.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

The lack of empathy in this response is truly disturbing.

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Play an offline game then. It's one thing to make access to a building accessible. It's another thing to make a game, which inherently provides certain challenges for able-bodied people to be doable on people with disabilities. They've made strides in reducing button bloat (20-25 buttons per job), locking other players behind walls until cutscenes are over, and making color blindness options. But there's only so much that can be done.