How were streamers determined for the Twitch Chocobo campaign?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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Oh and the little Bell..

I think it'd have been a nice way to support smaller streamers, but we know this is more about promoting the streamers with the bigger reaches to promote and market the game leading up to Endwalker.

But I think a nice gesture to follow would be to promote smaller streamers once the Campaign's over and give them some spotlight. Giving them a boost and helping them grow I guess could have potential longer term effects of promoting the game too.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

To be honest, I'm not a fan of this campaign for a few reasons--

in addition, some of those streamers listed are downright egoistical and at times, even insult their viewers. A few others just have no real inclination to deliver high energy streams that fully explore the nuances of FFXIV content. As a legacy player, I'm also sometimes appalled at how some streamers interpret the lore intent of the game.

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Care to elaborate on that, please?

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Originally Posted by Curisu

The person who agreed to a collaboration like this should get scolded.

What is gonna happen, people will drop subs within the first 1-3 days and then never watch a stream again.
In these days ffxiv will be higher on the twitch list, but after that it will drop on the same position as before.

How could they have made it better?
Simply use twitch drops.
You have to be subscribed to the channel and need to watch it. With this you will get more and more viewers and some of them might stay, plus the random viewers who were curious of why the game has so many viewers.
Non twitch user will also think twice who they want to watch for a month to get that mount.
For all unlucky viewers they could in the last week make to option to be subscribed + gifting 3 subs for the 100% chance to the mount

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Not a bit fan of the collaboration either, I mean it's just like buying a recolour, only someone you might like gets your support. I'm definitely not getting it. However, I think, in that case, people would simply mute/afk and not even bother watching the streamer. Maybe this way some of them will stay and watch someone they spent 20 euros/dollars on.

I'd really like to know the reason people who barely play the game got chosen but not a single one of the 10+ streamers that stream raids almost every day for such a long time didn't.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is exactly what i didn’t get. Why do they have it as like, the biggest streamers? Why not take this as an opportunity to help lesser known streamers? I mean i guess i already know the answer, money of course, but it’s just sad to see this is the campaign they choose of all things.

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It's really not "the biggest streamers".
MissRogueFlame is on that list, and she's hardly a big streamer. Her viewer count at any time is around 50-100 (so pretty average, and minimum for partners) and she's not exactly making a living wage off of Twitch subs, especially with her health issues and fewer streams because of it. (I see people asking for BIPOC streamers but conveniently dismissing the disabled)
Then there's EthysAsher, a great, no amazing content creator, but also has health issues that means he hasn't been able to stream much for a long time.

(If you're struggling to justify subscribing to one of the collab streamers because you think none of them 'deserve it', but do want to drop the money for the mount, I'd wholeheartedly suggest either of these two, plus Inochifantasy and Hupo)

It's quite clearly the more dedicated FFXIV streamers, rather than "the biggest", but probably limited to Twitch Partners, which require a formal application process and a minimum viewer count.

I don't know any of the streamers but of the few who have stuff on YouTube.
If anything, I'd rather support that streamer who's YT content helped me and those were mostly desperius and weskalber. But guess who aren't on the list...

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

Not a bit fan of the collaboration either, I mean it's just like buying a recolour, only someone you might like gets your support. I'm definitely not getting it. However, I think, in that case, people would simply mute/afk and not even bother watching the streamer. Maybe this way some of them will stay and watch someone they spent 20 euros/dollars on.

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Because people having the stream on mute in the background atleast means bigger viewer numbers and that means more exposure for XIV, whether or not they actively watch the stream is irrelevant because as long as they have it open in their browser it counts towards the viewer numbers.

Now you most likely have the situation that Curisu mentioned. People who only want the mount and couldn't care less about XIV streaming on twitch pick a streamer from that list, gift their 4 subs and leave again, which is completely useless for SE if their intention was to give their game more exposure because the viewer numbers drop just as fast as they increased.

Mr.Happy got it so it's not all bad. But sad day cause Work2Game didn't make the list. They should've been on it.. it's all they DO. But atleast Happy got on there.. I'd been pissed if they didn't put literally the biggest creator on there. Mr. Happy. Love him or not he literally does XIV content like everyday on Twitch and Youtube with a podcast that's been going for years. :c

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Mr.Happy got it so it's not all bad. But sad day cause Work2Game didn't make the list. They should've been on it.. it's all they DO. But atleast Happy got on there.. I'd been pissed if they didn't put literally the biggest creator on there. Mr. Happy. Love him or not he literally does XIV content like everyday on Twitch and Youtube with a podcast that's been going for years. :c

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I am kind of surprised that Work2Game didn't get on the list, while Speakersofhydaelyn did. Considering that Speakers have previously been refused inclusion by SQENIX due to them using private servers to get 1.0 content.

Honestly, all these streamers crying over not being chosen is sad. People saying oh I have been growing my channel for x amount of time and I was not chosen etc etc, then complain at other streamers from wow being chosen instead. Ofc they will take some other streamers, to get people who don't normally play the game to see the game! People with bigger audiences again take priority due to more people watching. And those bigger streamers worked just as hard for their audience.

SE is not obligated to boost your stream just because you stream their game. It is not for them to make being a streamer a full time job for you, it's a campaign meant to reach more people and give a boost to some of their content creators which is more than other companies do. They can't just make it open free for all for every ff streamer because who knows what they will say or have said in the past etc and associate with the company. Get over yourselves, you are not entitled to a thing.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Mr.Happy got it so it's not all bad. But sad day cause Work2Game didn't make the list. They should've been on it.. it's all they DO. But atleast Happy got on there.. I'd been pissed if they didn't put literally the biggest creator on there. Mr. Happy. Love him or not he literally does XIV content like everyday on Twitch and Youtube with a podcast that's been going for years. :c

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I’d rather a twitch streamer with 1 viewer have gotten that spot over Mr.Happy xD just my opinion tho but yeah i see your overall point. It just seems like they wanted the most well known faces and didn’t actually take time to look at people who deeply care about the game or who spend a majority of their time working on it. All i can say is...money talks evidently. I just hope this attention gets more money to the game and isn’t used to shill money to their other projects. Who am i kidding tho, gotta fund the flopvengers trinity games :D

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Honestly, all these streamers crying over not being chosen is sad. People saying oh I have been growing my channel for x amount of time and I was not chosen etc etc, then complain at other streamers from wow being chosen instead. Ofc they will take some other streamers, to get people who don't normally play the game to see the game! People with bigger audiences again take priority due to more people watching. And those bigger streamers worked just as hard for their audience.

SE is not obligated to boost your stream just because you stream their game. It is not for them to make being a streamer a full-time job for you, it's a campaign meant to reach more people and give a boost to some of their content creators which is more than other companies do. They can't just make it open free for all for every ff streamer because who knows what they will say or have said in the past etc and associate with the company. Get over yourselves, you are not entitled to a thing.

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Yeah, the amount of entitlement I see on Twitter is unreal. Of course, it would be great to see more streamers being included like W2G for example. But this is not charity, this is a marketing campaign and from what I read (even from some creators) it seems like they really think the bigger streamers didn't work as hard or (probably) even harder than them to get where they are at right now. Some of them even streamed/created content only for XIV for several years and we know the XIV community doesn't care much for streamers/youtube content (hence the big player base while all the CC being small). Reading people that don't even care about the XIV streaming community getting angry about this is just ridiculous.

That being said, I do hope next time they add (a lot) more streamers to the list, or maybe just let any streamer that wants to participate apply to the event, and after the application period, SE would filter the ones that meet a certain (publicly known) criteria.

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Originally Posted by MPK

FFXIV streams are just zzz compared to real games like WoW

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I saw you hate a lot against FF in multiple posts over the past few months. Why are you even here? Were your Legend titles that expensive that you cant let go?
If WoW is a "Real" Game to you, just go play that.

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Originally Posted by PG_Animation

there was barely any BIPOC representation.

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that's because it wasn't chosen based on someones ethnicity, gender, and whatnot. They were picked because of their follower count. if you don't believe me then check it:

Aiyanya (4.6K followers)
Anniefuchsia (258K followers)
Ashe10 (9.7K followers)
BOWIEtheHERO (19.7K followers)
Chottis (12.1K followers)
Drakanous (33K followers)
Eryn (21.3K followers)
EthysAsher (15.7K followers)
GalaxyAUS (4.8K followers)
Geekgg (84.9K followers)
Haughtychicken (11.5K followers)
Hupo (11.2K followers)
Inochifantasy (58.8K followers)
itmeJP (368K followers)
Joesephyr (5.5K followers)
Kidkerrigan (18.9K followers)
Meoni (8.2K followers)
Miabyte (22.9K followers)
MissRogueFlame (3.6K followers)
Mizzteq (68.4K followers)
Mrhappy (105K followers)
QueenE (80K followers)
Speakersofhydaelyn (4.1K followers)
Spofie (63.3K followers)
SugarAng3l (2K followers)
Thorlar (88.6K followers)
Tuatime (9.7K followers)
ZeplaHQ (95.1K followers)

and that's just the english streams. you don't need to make everything a race issue and the fact that you're trying to make it one kinda gives off a negative impression of you. whatever though, you do you OP. Now if you excuse me i'm gonna ditch this eediat thread and go chill with my Bredrens.

I will be honest -- after watching a bit of Anniefuschia's stream yesterday, I am a bit miffed about the selections. All she relatively did was mostly AFK and do reaction videos from YouTube.

Like really? Also -- with some of the other things going on, a lot of the more present and full-time streamers for FF14 were left off the list as well.

I like the idea of the event but it was poorly executed. Every Final Fantasy Streamer should have been included in somehow. I'm happy for people that got picked but I dont understand why this couldn't done across all streamers. Have them submit a screenshot or receipt or something. Get your chocobo and there ya go. I mean they had to submit a receipt with the butterfinger campaign, why couldnt they do it like this here.

I hope they put better thought into the next event. It is so hard to established on twitch these days and this is just drowning out smaller content creators.

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Originally Posted by WK74648

I like the idea of the event but it was poorly executed. Every Final Fantasy Streamer should have been included in somehow. I'm happy for people that got picked but I dont understand why this couldn't done across all streamers. Have them submit a screenshot or receipt or something. Get your chocobo and there ya go. I mean they had to submit a receipt with the butterfinger campaign, why couldnt they do it like this here.

I hope they put better thought into the next event. It is so hard to established on twitch these days and this is just drowning out smaller content creators.

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You can’t sub to streamers that arent partners.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wish we could tip and subscribe to forum posters.

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I would unapologetically have the worst channel available.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I’d rather a twitch streamer with 1 viewer have gotten that spot over Mr.Happy xD just my opinion tho but yeah i see your overall point. It just seems like they wanted the most well known faces and didn’t actually take time to look at people who deeply care about the game or who spend a majority of their time working on it. All i can say is...money talks evidently. I just hope this attention gets more money to the game and isn’t used to shill money to their other projects. Who am i kidding tho, gotta fund the flopvengers trinity games :D

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And has been sonic creator wonderlandwhores. :c Seriously.. how did Yuji Naka mess up SE money? :c

I don't like the ideal of giving twitch any of my money so I'll pass on this mount, would rather support a content creator directly with no middle man. but do enjoy your sweet mount everyone that feels differently!

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Originally Posted by MPK

Realistically what's going to happen is that people will drop 4 subs to who ever is currently streaming and never watch them again. FFXIV streams are just zzz compared to real games like WoW

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Wow is absolute trash and a snooze to watch.

I only know about 4 of the ones on that list (Zepla, MTQ, Meoni and Happy) and out of them, I would only even consider watching Zepla, maybe MTQ. I really enjoy MTQ’s dungeon guides on You Tube. They are among the best and easiest to understand. I used to enjoy Meoni’s YT video’s because he would make informational videos on things other than dungeons. He used to be pleasant, concise and to the point, but now he has become very arrogant...always bragging about how people have given him money, gifts or gil for this or that item. He purposely drags out videos that should only take a couple of minutes (do longer videos make more money?) and just talks nonsense. I cannot listen or watch him anymore. Happy was probably the first person I found on YT and loved his videos early on. Later he became all about raiding and seemed condescending to those who were not that type of player, so pfffftttt.

Zepla has always had a different style of videos and she is funny and has heart. I could watch her anytime. One creator that I think was seriously overlooked is WORK TO GAME. Their videos helped me in creating macros, customizing the HUD and controller guides, you know the more technical stuff that others did not cover back then. Plus they are much more relatable to the regular (non-raider) player.

I do not think SE meant for this to become a popularity contest or to purposely exclude some awesome creators. However, these views and subscriptions could equal thousands and thousands of dollars in revenue for the creators on the list. So to anyone who is whining about those who are upset about being left out, put yourselves in their shoes. Especially if you had being doing this much longer with larger followings, you have to wonder what the criteria was.

I think SE made a big boo boo in not thinking this through a little more. I could be wrong, would not be the first time. XD I just think this may cause hard feelings by many in the community against those who were chosen by some fans of those not chosen. I know I am less inclined to ever try any of those on the list that I did not already support. I don’t know, I just feel the whole thing needed more thought before execution. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by NekoHina

I only know about 4 of the ones on that list (Zepla, MTQ, Meoni and Happy) and out of them, I would only even consider watching Zepla, maybe MTQ. I really enjoy MTQ’s dungeon guides on You Tube. They are among the best and easiest to understand.

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MTQ is my go-to for all of my Extreme/Savage guides. I just like the way she explains things. She tells us what we need to know, nothing more and nothing less. That's the way I like it. Meanwhile, Mr. Happy goes off on about a dozen tangents between mechanic explanations.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

MTQ is my go-to for all of my Extreme/Savage guides. I just like the way she explains things. She tells us what we need to know, nothing more and nothing less. That's the way I like it. Meanwhile, Mr. Happy goes off on about a dozen tangents between mechanic explanations.

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Exactly!! Clear and precise. Just the facts and nothing else...well a few puns for fun of course. XD

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Wow is absolute trash and a snooze to watch.

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Dam i already blacklisted our most favorite baiter and then you force me to read his post xD


Id go for MTQ to i guess, but i wont as I have 0 interest in streaming even less of games, besides its an mean to only use larger ones that already got the viewers...

This event is really disappointing for content creators that work hard every day helping the community. SE screwed a lot of streamers and let them down with this.

I have no clue why the list is too short and random, but this feels like a slap from SE to the streamers that didn't get selected.

Feeling really disappointed by collab.
A lot of streamer were left out even big ones too! Would really like to know the reasoning behind the choosing.
I feel ACT is one of the reason many were left out if so that’s messed up SE/twitch should at least draw a line in the sand so streamers will know to hide/remove it. Pretending it doesn’t exist helps no one.

Feeling really disappointed by collab.
A lot of streamer were left out even big ones too! Would really like to know the reasoning behind the choosing.
I feel ACT is one of the reason many were left out if so that’s messed up SE/twitch should at least draw a line in the sand so streamers will know to hide/remove it. Pretending it doesn’t exist helps no one.

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Originally Posted by AsoraBora

Feeling really disappointed by collab.
A lot of streamer were left out even big ones too! Would really like to know the reasoning behind the choosing.
I feel ACT is one of the reason many were left out if so that’s messed up SE/twitch should at least draw a line in the sand so streamers will know to hide/remove it. Pretending it doesn’t exist helps no one.

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If that factored in at all.. then it is a consequence of using a disallowed 3rd party tool, no? SE needn't say a damn word about it because the people using ACT already know they're not allowed to. They're just getting away with it because SE doesn't actively enforce.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

You can’t sub to streamers that arent partners.

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Well yeah. But if they are determined to make the mount acquired through subbing, it should have been open to a significant amount of more people which was my point.

My opinion is its a waste of a campign. As some already said, people going to drop 4 subs then gtfo.
SE just wants higher numbers on Twitch but fact is this game how much I like it is a complete snooze fest to watch streamed.

What really anoys me as well, its 1 time 1 character so us with alts are SOL right away.
They should just put it in the mogstation right away and would've made more money that way.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Real games like WoW that's currently losing players left and right? Real games like WoW that's talking down to it's playerbase pissing them off for 8 months? Real game like WoW that shits on said playerbase with changes for changes sake and doesn't give a fuck and also steals your money real game?

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While you're right that wow isn't in a good spot right now but at least it's entertaining to watch streamed.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Wow is absolute trash and a snooze to watch.

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I disagree and so does active viewership on Twitch. But you're entitled to your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

What really anoys me as well, its 1 time 1 character so us with alts are SOL right away.
They should just put it in the mogstation right away and would've made more money that way.

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The original promotion was 1 character too, I believe. On the potential bright side, they may add this to a Moogle event in the future.

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Originally Posted by linayar

The original promotion was 1 character too, I believe. On the potential bright side, they may add this to a Moogle event in the future.

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Have we ever got a mount that was locked behind a paywall through limited time campaign in the past? I'm pretty sure we have not.

Just as a note, if you want more than one mount you can just create a second (or third, etc.) twitch account. There is no real restriction on that side of things so it's not "Well, I did it once so I'm SOL" at all as you don't need to connect your Twitch with your FF14 account in any way. It just takes a few more minutes of work.

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Originally Posted by PG_Animation

The following question/suggestion pertains to the latest twitch event: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...2acaa091904f1e

I know that a sub-campaign to get a rare mount is great and all, but how was the list of streamers selected for the event? They are all good people that were, but so many others missed out on the opportunity, and there was barely any BIPOC representation.

For future events, would it be possible for the FFXIV community to come forward to suggest people for events like these to the community team? I appreciate the 'higher view accounts' will get priority for the most part, but there are a lot of talented people that get overlooked and could honestly do with getting the recognition that they deserve.

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No one knows. Even some on the list stated they were surprised and were never contacted about it.

There are streamers on there that don't even stream FF14, some that haven't for months, some that don't allow gift subs, and so much more.

Of course, some in the FF14 community are actually sending some nasty comments to not only those who didn't get on the list but those who HAVE. WTF people.

While I love the idea they have, let's not lose our collective crap until we hear from SE about this.l I'd love for this to continue and have SE learned what went wrong and do better.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Just as a note, if you want more than one mount you can just create a second (or third, etc.) twitch account. There is no real restriction on that side of things so it's not "Well, I did it once so I'm SOL" at all as you don't need to connect your Twitch with your FF14 account in any way. It just takes a few more minutes of work.

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That's a lot of effort and money with something that should been account-wide.
Not to mention it just a reskin of a mount most of us own 2-3+ versions of already.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Have we ever got a mount that was locked behind a paywall through limited time campaign in the past? I'm pretty sure we have not.

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There was the Falcon mount where you had to subscribe for 90 days during the campaign period.

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Originally Posted by linayar

There was the Falcon mount where you had to subscribe for 90 days during the campaign period.

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I think that's just a exception. I'm thinking more of the mounts behind a paywall.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

That's a lot of effort and money with something that should been account-wide.
Not to mention it just a reskin of a mount most of us own 2-3+ versions of already.

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Then I guess you probably shouldn't be so worked up over it and should just let it go, eh?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Have we ever got a mount that was locked behind a paywall through limited time campaign in the past? I'm pretty sure we have not.

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original fat chocobo (spend $20 on amazon) + the chocolate korpokkur (spend $5 on butterfingers)