Doxxers using lodestone and fflogs to harass people

Square Enix can deal with any harassment that takes place within the game itself, though there isn't much they can do in regards to what takes place elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

However, other players can upload your parses. If I recall correctly, you have to manually add a code to your lodestone character profile to hide this information. Either way, yes there are avenues to hide much of this information.

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Whoops, forgot about that. I don't use FFlogs, find the process much too much work for me to do now, lol. Either way, the information can be removed/hidden.

Though, if people on Kiwifarms are actively stalking the user by using their lodestone profile to figure out where they are, that's different. I had to make a new character to shift away from an abusive friendship situation about 3 weeks after I joined the game (out of game shenanigans, but still). If people from Kiwifarms are actively stalking you, report them to Kiwifarms admins with proof, OP, and they'll get banned, as Kiwifarms has a very strict harassment policy.

But they can't doxx you with the information available on the lodestone.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Square Enix can deal with any harassment that takes place within the game itself, though there isn't much they can do in regards to what takes place elsewhere.

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The blacklist has a limit, and DND resets every time you exit the game. It would be much preferable for Square to just add privacy options we can manually set like most other modern online services.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Whoops, forgot about that. I don't use FFlogs, find the process much too much work for me to do now, lol. Either way, the information can be removed/hidden.

Though, if people on Kiwifarms are actively stalking the user by using their lodestone profile to figure out where they are, that's different. I had to make a new character to shift away from an abusive friendship situation about 3 weeks after I joined the game (out of game shenanigans, but still). If people from Kiwifarms are actively stalking you, report them to Kiwifarms admins with proof, OP, and they'll get banned, as Kiwifarms has a very strict harassment policy.

But they can't doxx you with the information available on the lodestone.

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I've @ed the admin with proof of users stalking me on steam from kiwi farms. They were never banned, and even gloated about how they wouldn't be.

The "no autistic trolling plans" rule no longer seems to apply. Again, kiwi farms is a secondary issue.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Square Enix can deal with any harassment that takes place within the game itself, though there isn't much they can do in regards to what takes place elsewhere.

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True, they can't really do anything about stuff that happens outside of the game, but they can take preventative measures to make it much harder to get information about players. Instead of trying to fix a problem, try and stop it from being a problem in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

I've PMed the admin with proof of users stalking me on steam from kiwi farms. They were never banned, and even gloated about how they wouldn't be.

The "no autistic trolling plans" rule no longer seems to apply. Again, kiwi farms is a secondary issue.

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Did they actively engage you, or did they just send screenshots of what you were posting? These are two different things.

Part of the reason I'm trying to figure out this stuff is to help. (Another part is morbid curiosity, mind you, but that's separate.) As much as you think it doesn't help to know the exact why's and how's, it does. So I'll ask again: What information are they receiving from your lodestone? Your... ingame achievements? You can hide this. Your mounts, minions, and classes? How is this private information that could lead to your identity?

You're not answering that. You're saying they're trying to use this info to gather private information on you, but HOW?

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Did they actively engage you, or did they just send screenshots of what you were posting? These are two different things.

Part of the reason I'm trying to figure out this stuff is to help. (Another part is morbid curiosity, mind you, but that's separate.) As much as you think it doesn't help to know the exact why's and how's, it does. So I'll ask again: What information are they receiving from your lodestone? Your... ingame achievements? You can hide this. Your mounts, minions, and classes? How is this private information that could lead to your identity?

You're not answering that. You're saying they're trying to use this info to gather private information on you, but HOW?

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Dude... YES. I DID ANSWER.

Again, I don't want to be stalked in game. How many more times do I need to say it for you?


YES. THEY HAVE INTERACTED WITH ME ON STEAM. One of them even admitted to being a user who interacted with me on steam, and the other uses the same character as a profile pic and a name on both steam and kiwi farms.
As for what personal information could they gather, how should I know? I DON'T DOX PEOPLE.

What I DO know is they use google caches, frequently track down people's online photos and etc. using obscure means. I personally have no personal information on the internet. As I said before: other innocent people are likely being abused by them as well. THAT IS MY PEROGATIVE IN EGGING THEM ON. KIWI FARMS IS A SECONDARY ISSUE.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

What information are they receiving from your lodestone? Your... ingame achievements? You can hide this. Your mounts, minions, and classes? How is this private information that could lead to your identity?
FFLogs is public information that YOU chose to put out there, and is a website final fantasy 14 has no affiliation with. Go to their developers if you want your information removed from their website.

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I love how you just repeated this information but made it more bolded XD LOL

I still don't get the connection between the Farms going after people and you egging them on.
Are you trying to say that you're attempting to deflect their attention towards you and away from others or something?

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Originally Posted by Shalan

I still don't get the connection between the Farms going after people and you egging them on.
Are you trying to say that you're attempting to deflect their attention towards you and away from others or something?

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To an extent yes, but moreso to prove just how wrong they are to anyone on the site who may yet be reformed.

Call me a hopeless romantic, but I'd like to believe there are people on kiwi farms who can yet be reasoned with. I fail to see what any of this has to do with me asking squre enix to add more privacy toggles to avoid these issues from interrupting my enjoying the game, but I'm starting to suspect it's not even worth it at this point with the amount of pointless grilling I'm being put under that common sense can easily explain.

Do I look like a bad person to you? Then why are we still going on with this whole crapshoot?

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

Dude... YES. I DID ANSWER.

Again, I don't want to be stalked in game. How many more times do I need to say it for you?


YES. THEY HAVE INTERACTED WITH ME ON STEAM. One of them even admitted to being a user who interacted with me on steam, and the other uses the same character as a profile pic and a name on both steam and kiwi farms.
As for what personal information could they gather, how should I know? I DON'T DOX PEOPLE.

What I DO know is they use google caches, frequently track down people's online photos and etc. using obscure means. I personally have no personal information on the internet. As I said before: other innocent people are likely being abused by them as well. THAT IS MY PEROGATIVE IN EGGING THEM ON. KIWI FARMS IS A SECONDARY ISSUE.

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Then answer the questions again, to humor me:

1. What information are they receiving from your lodestone?

2. Are they receiving information on your ingame achievements? You can hide this in your lodestone settings.

3. Are they receiving information on your mounts, minions, and classes? How do you think this information could lead to your IRL identity?

It's fine if you don't want them to talk about your mounts and minions. But I fail to see how your information on the Lodestone could lead to your IRL identity, please help me see this.

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

I've been egging them on ever since
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I've done nothing to deserve their stalking
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I continue to egg them on

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2 of these hamburger buns on the outside indicate that meat patty in the middle isn't true.

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To urge someone to do something, often something mischievous.

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https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/egg+them+on

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

But I fail to see how your information on the Lodestone could lead to your IRL identity, please help me see this.

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I'll humor it and say, well if someone knows your character name, and you share this character (with name attached) on social media, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. and in turn have personal information on those websites, like location, face, etc.. There is a thread here that can lead to personal information, but that would be down to the own personal responsibility of the owner of these accounts, and what they share. No fault of SE here, except the reasonable complaints about in-game stalking, by players using the lodestone URL.

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

To an extent yes, but moreso to prove just how wrong they are to anyone on the site who may yet be reformed.

Call me a hopeless romantic, but I'd like to believe there are people on kiwi farms who can yet be reasoned with. I fail to see what any of this has to do with me asking squre enix to add more privacy toggles to avoid these issues from interrupting my enjoying the game, but I'm starting to suspect it's not even worth it at this point with the amount of pointless grilling I'm being put under that common sense can easily explain.

Do I look like a bad person to you? Then why are we still going on with this whole crapshoot?

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Just personal curiosity. I didn't get what would drive someone to engage with someone they're accusing of stalking them is all, that's not typical behaviour. I saw that you stated here that you egg them on, and saw in your Farms thread that you have had an active presence in said thread. Unless someone got something out of the interaction, such as self satisfaction from the attention, I wouldn't expect to see someone engaging with their stalker.

I do agree that it would be nice for SE to let us further "anonymize" our accounts though. I've had someone attempt to use the lodestone to stalk me ingame when I changed servers as well, and would like for some sort of added tools to prevent such a thing. Not sure what could be done about that without completely removing the character search function though.

Maybe this is a tad too gigabrain for me to handle, but I'm concerned the op is a doxx of the op, BY the op.

While I can only hope the thread gets poofed by mods, I'd encourage the OP to report anyone that contacts them ingame... but I'd think taking reports of out-of-game harassers is about all Square can possibly do for now.

Doxxing involves private IRL information.

Public information, aka, character info on Lodestone, is not doxxing.

Just throwing that out there. Your character information is not yours, it's SE's, and they can do with it what they please.

OP stop egging them on, stop provoking them. Get off the interwebs and go dark if needed, but for Halone's sake stop egging them on. They only do this because you yourself cause it.

The more air you give them, the funnier they will think it is to keep harrassing you. Conversely, the less air you give them then the sooner they get bored and head off to find a new cow to milk.

Then again; if you enjoy the sparring, and want to keep it up, then don't bring in SE to clean up your mess-stained sheets. Don't expect them to make you a safe haven you can keep poking the hornet's nest from.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

...If there are ways to glean information from the lodestone, I'd be extremely concerned. (Unless it's something like, your real life name being used as your character name... in which case... why?)

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Yep, this would be my concern too, but I do think as you suggest, it would be something silly the user in question did. Using a real life name, or using a character name on multiple services - including twitter/faecesbook - that google can link.

Kiwi farms is famous for doxxing, threatening and harassing LGBT and mentally disabled people. That's the only time I ever hear about it, like 4chan for the last 15 years. Having a thread there doesn't mean you're a bad person, and certainly NO ONE deserves to be doxxed, stalked and harassed. Those things are crimes for a reason.

I'm curious as to how much of a privacy issue there is with lodestone accounts or what exactly the issue is.

But, if you are being stalked and harassed this badly this could be something to get law enforcement involved with rather than try to depend on all the different forums you use to protect you. There is only so much they can do, and sometimes they can't catch all these people and whatever new accounts they might make. Idk how easy it will be in your state, but I had to take a stalking case to court once for someone I knew and it was very simple and over with. They were threatened with instant jail sentence or fine and criminal record if they ever contacted me again in person or digitally. I remember an online case against a notorious group of bullies back in the days of LiveJournal that put a pretty quick end to their shenanigans after one person got fed up with the harassing DMs and text messages (they dug up her phone number.)

(As much as the US government is so uptight about killing off websites that host adult content because oh no sex bad and sinful, I'd love to see them do something about websites that play host mainly to stalkers and targeted harassment to stop this behavior...)

Are we sure we aren't being taken for lolcows?

I don't really get your situation, but the option to make your lodestone private would be fine I guess.

They won’t let you hide your profile for the same reason you want to be protected. If the aggressor can hide themselves then they can go on to terrorize others. There have been instances of people screwing over their FC and name changing/server hopping to do it to someone else. Since your player ID is unique you can always be tracked down and others in the community can get the word out about bad characters to prevent others from being hurt as well.

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

No one has asked me for any details I havent already provided. If you need more details for some reason, feel free to ask.

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With regards to your specific request, no more details are needed.

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

Yeah, don't worry I get that. Especially after seeing the disproportionate amount of support Kiwi Farms being able to continue doing what they're doing on the lodestone has been voiced here.

Also the reason my thread is so big is because I make up 90% of the replies on the thread myself. Again, though, I fail to understand why the nature of my thread is of such great importance when I continue to prove myself to be a very rational and articulate person.

I'm asking square to add more privacy controls the lodestone. Kiwi Farms was my reasoning for my request. Not my request itself. I am not asking Square to sue kiwi farms into oblivion. I am asking them for more privacy controls.

The nature of my thread, as I have said before, is SECONDARY. Caps added for emphasis.

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A character you play in a game and information about that character is not personal information. There's no reason for it to be hidden since the information has nothing to do with a legal real person.

That you, a legal real person, plays a specific game using a specific character could be considered personal information under certain circumstances. It's your responsibility to decide if you should share that information with others. Most of the time, it's probably not a good idea. Do others really need to know that information? No, they don't. If it's for purposes of game discussion, all they need to know is that you play and not what your character's name is.

Since the Lodestone does not disclose any information about you the legal real person when your character's profile is viewed, there is no privacy breach. We have no way to connect your character with your legal real person by visiting Lodestone unless you voluntarily and intentionally place that information into a character profile comment, which you should never do.

The Lodestone does not need to be changed because the Lodestone is not causing any problems. Any issues you're experiencing are because of your actions.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Kiwifarms making a 138-page thread isn't for nothing.

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Yeah, as mentioned if kiwifarms is involved then yeah they must have done something to deserve it.

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Originally Posted by Doog_Slayer

I must have missed what your point was if not suggesting trolling on the internet inherently means I deserve a schizocow thread on kiwi farms.

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As they say play stupid games win stupid prizes. You poked the wrong bear deal with it.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Whoops, forgot about that. I don't use FFlogs, find the process much too much work for me to do now, lol. Either way, the information can be removed/hidden.

Though, if people on Kiwifarms are actively stalking the user by using their lodestone profile to figure out where they are, that's different. I had to make a new character to shift away from an abusive friendship situation about 3 weeks after I joined the game (out of game shenanigans, but still). If people from Kiwifarms are actively stalking you, report them to Kiwifarms admins with proof, OP, and they'll get banned, as Kiwifarms has a very strict harassment policy.

But they can't doxx you with the information available on the lodestone.

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Sorry on moblie.

They are not "that" strict and in truth only thing can really do is just wait it out and deal with the ingame harassment without resorting to reports and crap cause that will bleed into. If people harass them and admins take notice they may take action but then it will go into private groups and the cycle will continue.

They are in a weird spot cause this was brought on by their neurotic behavior and probably due to said behavior they will not be able to let this go thus they will forever going down this rabbit hold until one side gets bored. Which from experience if content can be found then boredom will take time.

How would they obtain personal information if you didn't put it out there to begin with?

Your character is not your private data. You don't own your character; not their design, not their name, not the storage they are kept on, and not the page that their information is displayed on on the Lodestone. If somebody is able to dox you through FFXIV, it's because they already knew you and made those manual connections themselves, that or they hacked into SE's server to get client financial information and if that happened SE has a *lot* more problems than a single person getting doxxed.

You posted this, you made yourself a target, you clearly love the attention.

In no way defending their antisemitism or ableism, but if you're going to keep using VPNs to work around bans, you really are asking for all the attention they can give you.
Take the lose, leave alone those forums you've been banned from.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

If you've got a thread on Kiwifarms I think you might wanna look at your behavior...

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This.

Dealing with Kiwifarms is an almost literal example of 'stop feeding the troll'. They latch on to things they find hilarious or 'exceptional' enough to keep an eye on for laughs. Stop giving them what they want, and inevitably they will move on to whatever other Phil Burnell or Jordie Jordan is waiting to be discovered.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I had no idea that such a site even existed until today.

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Same :D
Idk what exactly that site is for but I guess if OP wants to argue about religious stuff there are better places to do that. I didn't really get what is going on.

LUL is this going turn into another thread about how character data is personal. We had a few threads like that already. Those are also fun.

I dont think getting more attention that you have a 100+ page on Kiwi Farms is a good thing.

Reading this whole thing, without alcohol somehow, shows you're literally just as vile as they are. "Let me press these guys on but help me SE they bulli me D:" Lol okay.

Aren't you just playing into their hand by acknowledging what they are doing and confirming that your character is the one they posted in the thread?

The real Naruhide? I remember reading about you. Yikes bro.

If you really don't want the attention from the Farms, turn off your computer. Even those with the most prolific threads on there suddenly go dormant if the person of interest just. stops. posting.
But, likely you won't because it seems you like the attention.

hi kiwis

Page one of that INSANE thread is just amazing...also they located you through your Steam profile.

https://archive.ph/XpoRB

Welcome to 2021 where most of us have an internet history going back to 1996? It would not be that hard to locate a lot of people with a Google search honestly and follow the cookie crumbs.

Also it appears these people did what you basically did to them by trying for years to intentionally trigger people saying insane stuff online lol. Also I am not on there and I have been talking smack online for years.

Kiwis are cute birds. Why some lowlife losers use name like that?

OP: "They want to gather IRL informations through my character profile and fflogs"
Also OP: "I just want more privacy options." <while not answering at all how all that stuff helps someone to find out irl informations>

So this leaves me wondering, is OP living in the beautiful city of Doog_Slayer or maybe that is OPs real name? Does OP collect minions in a specific order so it forms a code for specific IRL informations? Is the combined number of all achievements your social security number? Do you parse your credit card informations? I smell Illuminati and conspiracies!

KiwiFarms? Until now I've never heard of them.

Sounds like another place where a bunch of human shaped garbage bags go to hang out.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

OP: "They want to gather IRL informations through my character profile and fflogs"
Also OP: "I just want more privacy options." <while not answering at all how all that stuff helps someone to find out irl informations>

So this leaves me wondering, is OP living in the beautiful city of Doog_Slayer or maybe that is OPs real name? Does OP collect minions in a specific order so it forms a code for specific IRL informations? Is the combined number of all achievements your social security number? Do you parse your credit card informations? I smell Illuminati and conspiracies!

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Not saying I agree with what they are saying, but as someone who does frequent the farm. Some people will go to great lengths to make people of interest lives just that more complex. So stalking someone in a video or from video game to video game is not something that all surprises me I have seen people go after others for less then what Naru has done and to even greater / weirder lengths.

That said i do agree it is not doxxing but I can see how this may impact their own personal enjoyment across other mediums.