I appreciate Square Enix supporting LGBT rights in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

for the love of god please stop trying to push for two underaged girls to be gay, do you have nothing better to do than force your headcanon shipping onto others and using every possibly excuse why it's not "obvious"?! SE has no problems with straight up gay characters and yet there is not a single indication that ryne and gaia are in love, a relationship or anything of the sort, it's f*cking creepy.

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You must be real fun at parties.

Don't see why people can't have their Ship of Ryne x Big Lips. Next people will cry about Estinien x Gaius bromance.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

I mean, if someone has a hot take that boils down to 'Gaia and Ryne are a lesbian couple.. oh and the rainbow crystal is SE making a pride statement, if you disagree you're a homophobe' you're going to get people to argue with you.

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As people have been so quick to tell me numerous times why say anything?

Maybe it is because my friends are into anime I have just learned to not challenge ones shipping. Not even worth walking up the hill most of time.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

what's up with your camp always trying to imply that people who don't want checkbox representation or don't see two damn teens being friends as being a couple as being anti-gay, anti-lgbt and anti-whatever? I'm gay, do I have internalised homophobia now? do you have any other argument aside from headcanon and shipping?

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it probably has to do with most of the arguments being the exact same dribble that anti-gay, anti-lgbt people say to deny the idea that characters can by gay.
"Why can't they just be friends? why can't two girls just be friends anymore?" when there are tons of characters who are "just friends" and nowhere near represented the same way within the same media.
just one example
Also the argument that somehow because they are young teens they can't possibly be gay when it makes perfect sense that they could considering that is when most people awaken to their sexuality. The equivalizing of sexuality to only be about having sex which isn't the case at all. Nobody is seriously saying they should screw, just that there is romantic tension. romance =/= sex although sex can be the result of romance.

There is also a blatant disregard for character-coding which has been a thing in literature for centuries to represent different groups even outside of things like sexual orientation. (see character-coding literature analysis) Somehow though when it comes to two characters that could be gay people ignore this simple tried and true concept that has existed since before even Shakespeare.

I'm against this checkbox culture that has spouted from twitter, this isn't a case of just checking a box. (being against check box culture has unfortunately been another thing constantly used by anti-lgbt people in order to invalidate lgbt couples in media. Check box culture sucks as it results mostly in tokenism. Ryne and Gaia aren't tokens, they are two characters that grew together)

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Next people will cry about Estinien x Gaius bromance.

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Oi now, as far as I'm concerned, Gaius is still hung up on Lahabread. He won't get over Prae so quick. "We will speak later, Ascian... (in the bedroom, natch)." He might pretend he's over it, but he's not really. And he never will be...

That's the ship I will die for. Even though I may be quite alone in steering it. :cool:

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same plot-line. Eden, with Ryne and Gaia, right? The two who were basically doting on one another by the end? Practically spending every waking moment with one another, creating as many possible memories together - just the two of them - as they could? To the point that Thancred was getting jealous and had Urianger comparing Thancred to a father losing his daughter?

I mean, they were more into one another than Alasaie has been shown to be into the WoL and that's pretty much accepted that she has a crush on the WoL. Unless, being player-sexual is just easier for the wider audience to accept? Also, I have no idea how old either Ryne or Gaia are. They're young, whatever number that is, right? But I have no idea if they're younger or older than Alasaie for example. People say they're kids. Anyone know how old they actually are?

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That's the ship I will die for. Even though I may be quite alone in steering it. :cool:

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Considering that the other guy is dead, i think your ship is adrift.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

Considering that the other guy is dead, i think your ship is adrift.

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:D Oh, it hit the sandbank and ran aground, but I'm sure it can happen again! Love never dies, or some such. :o

Its a big reach to assume Ryne and Gaia are a couple. But the writer did leave that story open ended for their friendship/romance like a lot of games do. There are alot of ingame moments that are "questionable" when it comes to a non heterosexual relationship. One example is the Hildibrand questline where you are rubbing body oil on him. Depending on your viewpoint and in game character. You could see that as a something.

SE and the writers does a very good job at leaving interactions between NPCs and NPCs and players open for imagination which IMO is great because it satisfies everyone.

same, although i wish they did more Gaia/rye... tbh its typical of a game/ tv show to two so with two female characters and say 'work complete' in all honesty.. now if only they would do with male characters, maybe the catboi i hope id say they are supporting.. but they doing the typical thing and say thats enough lol

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Don't see why people can't have their Ship of Ryne x Big Lips. Next people will cry about Estinien x Gaius bromance.

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Because they are assumed to be underage girls (not sure if ages are actually stated, but comparing them to other hyur women they are much smaller and younger looking). Estinen and Gaius are both grown men.

ryne and gaia also know each other like, what, a few weeks canonically?

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

ryne and gaia also know each other like, what, a few weeks canonically?

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That's correct.

It's why I struggle to buy into the idea that they have a deep friendship, let alone an intimate relationship.

It didn't help that I found Mitron and Loghrif far more compelling - and we saw even less of those two by comparison.

It's a shame the game never really explored the friendship that existed between Regula van Hydrus and Varis zos Galvus. Those two knew each other for decades, after all - and I bet the stories they could tell would be far more interesting and deep than 'cOfEe BiScUiTs'.

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ryne and gaia also know each other like, what, a few weeks canonically?

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Romance can happen really fast but tbh some ppl just see gay things everywere.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's why I struggle to buy into the idea that they have a deep friendship, let alone an intimate relationship.

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I don't because if something as trong as a romance can be born really quickly, why not something weaker ? I don't get it xD

There’s nothing indicating they’re together, it’s just headcanon.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That's correct.

It's why I struggle to buy into the idea that they have a deep friendship, let alone an intimate relationship.

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I met my boyfriend a month before we decided to start dating and we moved in about 3 weeks after *that*, and its been about a year going strong now. Sometimes you just... click.

That’s why I find it a LOT easier to see them together - sure the coffee biscuits thing was kind of cliche, but it’s a cute way to symbolize their relationship. They also canonically hung out a LOT outside of our being there, and on top of that, they went through some traumatizing shit together!


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I also don’t get the whole “they’re underage” argument... what does that have to do with anything? Teenagers get into relationships ALL the time? Would you be making the same argument if Gaia was a dude? (Im genuinely curious to hear that!) If you *would*, why?

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On a separate note:
I also don’t get the whole “they’re underage” argument... what does that have to do with anything? Teenagers get into relationships ALL the time? Would you be making the same argument if Gaia was a dude? (Im genuinely curious to hear that!) If you *would*, why?

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One could argue that underage characters are not yet physically or emotionally mature enough to commit to a serious relationship. That aside, a significant number of the players gushing over Ryne and Gaia appear to do so because they find the concept them together to be 'hot' despite...both characters being underage.

Given how freely a lot of FFXIV share information about themselves on the likes of Twitter and this very forum, a lot of those same individuals are also not in Ryne and Gaia's age group. In fact, they're quite a bit older than either of them!

So, yeah - I think it's creepy and I think that as a gay guy a lot of the potential character relationships and 'ships' pushed by the FFXIV community have questionable optics.

Haurchefant? He's an outright pervert in the Japanese localisation and some of the others as well, I believe.

Ryne and Gaia? As mentioned, they're underage.

Alisae? Again, underage.

If we were to get some 'representation' then I'd much to prefer to see it in the form of adult characters.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

One could argue that underage characters are not yet physically or emotionally mature enough to commit to a serious relationship. That aside, a significant number of the players gushing over Ryne and Gaia appear to do so because they find the concept them together to be 'hot' despite...both characters being underage.

Given how freely a lot of FFXIV share information about themselves on the likes of Twitter and this very forum, a lot of those same individuals are also not in Ryne and Gaia's age group. In fact, they're quite a bit older than either of them!

So, yeah - I think it's creepy and I think that as a gay guy a lot of the potential relationships pushed by the FFXIV community have questionable optics.

Haurchefant? He's an outright pervert in the Japanese localisation and some of the others as well, I believe.

Ryne and Gaia? As mentioned, they're underage.

Alisae? Again, underage.

If we were to get some 'representation' then I'd much to prefer to see it in the form of adult characters.

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That makes sense. If it helps, I’m coming at this from a purely “aww, they’re so cute! Holding hands and touching foreheads and stuff!” mindset. I find their relationship adorable. I’m also ace, so, I find romance can happen with ZERO s*xual interaction.

On Haurchefant though... yes, he IS a pervert in the Japanese localization. however this is because he fits the same niche as someone like Jiraiya from Naruto - the “loveable pervert” - in Japan. This is why his dialogue was changed so much for an English speaking audience - unless you watch anime enough to understand that niche and cliche, you’d be very weirded out as it’s such a, well, Japanese ONLY niche. Most recently we’ve seen an outcry when there’s a direct one-to-one translation in the form of Boku no Hero Academia, with the character of Mineta. English speakers DO NOT like him. They find his antics the opposite of endearing. Yet much of Japan finds him enjoyable.

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That makes sense. If it helps, I’m coming at this from a purely “aww, they’re so cute! Holding hands and touching foreheads and stuff!” mindset. I find their relationship adorable. I’m also ace, so, I find romance can happen with ZERO s*xual interaction.

On Haurchefant though... yes, he IS a pervert in the Japanese localization. however this is because he fits the same niche as someone like Jiraiya from Naruto - the “loveable pervert” - in Japan. This is why his dialogue was changed so much for an English speaking audience - unless you watch anime enough to understand that niche and cliche, you’d be very weirded out as it’s such a, well, Japanese ONLY niche. Most recently we’ve seen an outcry when there’s a direct one-to-one translation in the form of Boku no Hero Academia, with the character of Mineta. English speakers DO NOT like him. They find his antics the opposite of endearing. Yet much of Japan finds him enjoyable.

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Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from on that front. I guess a lot of it comes from my time playing on Balmung. Needless to say I saw and heard a lot of things there that made me really wary of a portion of this game's community. It doesn't help that whenever I search Twitter for art of characters I occasionally end up stumbling across comments and drawings that are pretty worrying...

As for Haurchefant, I didn't mind his antics personally. FFXIV seemed to be willing to be a lot bolder with some of the dirty jokes and commentary back in the days of ARR but has since has moved away from that for the most part.

I do find some anime tropes to be a little unsettling, but depending on how they're handled they can also be pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

There’s nothing indicating they’re together, it’s just headcanon.

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Yes, because having a character hugging another character in a field of flowers, a direct callback to two people in an relationship in a previous mainline game, is simply head canon to be ignored and carries with it no other reasonable interpretation other than they’re besties.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Theodric

One could argue that underage characters are not yet physically or emotionally mature enough to commit to a serious relationship. That aside, a significant number of the players gushing over Ryne and Gaia appear to do so because they find the concept them together to be 'hot' despite...both characters being underage.

Given how freely a lot of FFXIV share information about themselves on the likes of Twitter and this very forum, a lot of those same individuals are also not in Ryne and Gaia's age group. In fact, they're quite a bit older than either of them!

So, yeah - I think it's creepy and I think that as a gay guy a lot of the potential character relationships and 'ships' pushed by the FFXIV community have questionable optics.

Haurchefant? He's an outright pervert in the Japanese localisation and some of the others as well, I believe.

Ryne and Gaia? As mentioned, they're underage.

Alisae? Again, underage.

If we were to get some 'representation' then I'd much to prefer to see it in the form of adult characters.

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I think underage people can be queer and be written to be in relationships appropriate for their ages. I don’t think the same level of hand wringing happens in equivalent hetero relationships.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Yes, because having a character hugging another character in a field of flowers, a direct callback to two people in an relationship in a previous mainline game, is simply head canon to be ignored and carries with it no other reasonable interpretation other than they’re besties.

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I think the field of flowers had more to do with the fact that Eden had been used to successfully begin the restoration of the First. It served as a light reference to FFVIII, certainly, but much in the same way as we didn't end up getting Ultimecia as an antagonist in the Eden storyline it wasn't an exact copy and paste of FFVIII's plot trajectory.

Furthermore, a relationship was directly established between Squall and Rinoa by the end of the game. Nothing is stated directly where Ryne and Gaia are concerned.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Yes, because having a character hugging another character in a field of flowers, a direct callback to two people in an relationship in a previous mainline game, is simply head canon to be ignored and carries with it no other reasonable interpretation other than they’re besties.

:rolleyes:



I think underage people can be queer and be written to be in relationships appropriate for their ages. I don’t think the same level of hand wringing happens in equivalent hetero relationships.

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Please tell me, what signs there are that they aren’t more than close friends. The insight we’re given is they share food, go clothes shopping, and give each other friendship items. They both went through similar situations so it’s natural they would form a bond, but there’s nothing pointing that towards being romantic in any way. Ryne is the first person Gaia knows that’s around her age. It makes sense she’d get close to her and they’d have things in common. It’s a callback to a previous game yes, because that’s what ff 14 is about, callbacks. It’s simply a reference, nothing more.

Some 14 players are oddly caught up on ships. It's strange when there are far more interesting plot points and bits of story to engage with.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Yes, because having a character hugging another character in a field of flowers, a direct callback to two people in an relationship in a previous mainline game, is simply head canon to be ignored and carries with it no other reasonable interpretation other than they’re besties.

:rolleyes:

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As you said there's two reasonable interpretations "gay" or "besties", that's not enough imo. To be sure if Ryne & Gaia are gay: it will be obvious and won't leave room for interpretations.

You people are weird, seriously... To the point where I would 100% call the police if I saw any of you near my kids. Ryne and Gaia are both around 14yo, and you all can't seem to stop—somehow— seeing a sexual interest between them. From everything that we see, nothing points towards them having anything other than a deep bond and friendship going, and until something canonically says otherwise, that is a fact. I'm really disgusted by the way you people are behaving with this "shipping" stuff. By that same logic, Lyse and Papalimo probably were shagging eachothers brains out all day long, right? After all, friendship doesn't exist, it's all about sex— or so you creeps seem to think.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Yes, because having a character hugging another character in a field of flowers, a direct callback to two people in an relationship in a previous mainline game, is simply head canon to be ignored and carries with it no other reasonable interpretation other than they’re besties.

:rolleyes:



I think underage people can be queer and be written to be in relationships appropriate for their ages. I don’t think the same level of hand wringing happens in equivalent hetero relationships.

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I wouldn't bother, people like this will jump through every hoop imaginable to avoid admitting that characters are heavily coded to be in a gay relationship. Using your example. They are blatantly using a romantic scene from a mainline game to convey the romantic intent, but those who are against the idea will try to excuse anything they can to avoid the romantic connotations. Which always makes me wonder. Why do they see one as romantic, while the other isn't. I think if you ponder on that enough it is pretty clear why. (there are literal memes about it)
Why choose that scene in particular, they could have done something completely different if they wanted to, but instead the devs chose that specific scene for a reason. The reason is obviously the romantic implications behind it, other wise they would have done it differently.

If it isn't, "There is nothing to indicate it" then it is "Stop shoving it down our throats!" or the equivalating romantic relationship to just sex which is incredibly shallow and sad saying more about them than anything.. or somehow being a certain age means they can't possibly fall in love or be attracted towards somebody... (funny how this is never a problem with b/g pairings in other media, dozens of tropes about it) Then there is my favorite moment when it is really undeniable, but still not confirmed. Then you get people saying both there is nothing to indicate it and stop shoving it down our throats at the same time. xD

I ain't even gay and I'm not even that big of a shipper in FF14 for anything that isn't WoL x insert NPC here, I just understand character-coding and literature analysis as well as cinematography analysis.

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Please tell me, what signs there are that they aren’t more than close friends. The insight we’re given is they share food, go clothes shopping, and give each other friendship items. They both went through similar situations so it’s natural they would form a bond, but there’s nothing pointing that towards being romantic in any way. Ryne is the first person Gaia knows that’s around her age. It makes sense she’d get close to her and they’d have things in common. It’s a callback to a previous game yes, because that’s what ff 14 is about, callbacks. It’s simply a reference, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think the field of flowers had more to do with the fact that Eden had been used to successfully begin the restoration of the First. It served as a light reference to FFVIII, certainly, but much in the same way as we didn't end up getting Ultimecia as an antagonist in the Eden storyline it wasn't an exact copy and paste of FFVIII's plot trajectory.

Furthermore, a relationship was directly established between Squall and Rinoa by the end of the game. Nothing is stated directly where Ryne and Gaia are concerned.

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So it’s a coincidence that a scene involves one character holding another while desperately calling out for them to come back to them in a direct homage to Squall and Rinoa, which ends in camera pan as flower petals fly through the air, a song called “Love Grows” plays in the background and a rainbow colored pillar sits behind them? I’m not saying the plot in its entirety is FF8, but this dynamic?

https://twitter.com/ff_xiv_en/status...486250496?s=21

The 14 Twitter is even throwing hints like???

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

As you said there's two reasonable interpretations "gay" or "besties", that's not enough imo. To be sure if Ryne & Gaia are gay: it will be obvious and won't leave room for interpretations.

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This is 100% not true. Ambiguous queer relationships are the norm for a lot of media. Yes clear representation is always best, but that’s not the world we live in unfortunately.

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I ain't even gay and I'm not even that big of a shipper in FF14 for anything that isn't WoL x insert NPC here, I just understand character-coding and literature analysis as well as cinematography analysis.

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So you're not gay but still feel compelled to tell people who are actually gay such as myself how to read into something that is not explicitly confirmed? That's a little odd to me, honestly.

Personally I'm inclined to raise an eyebrow a lot of the more modern takes on 'literature analysis' because more often than not I find myself reading a book these days only to go and check reviews afterwards to see numerous people complaining about themes that were not even present in the story outside of their own head canon.

If some people want to read into a relationship as existing between Ryne and Gaia then they're free to do as much - but I'm not seeing the benefit in expecting everybody else to agree. Especially when the entire concept of 'coding' relies on pretending as if gay people always do and say things in a stereotypical way. Which...simply isn't true and isn't a mindset I can support.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

So it’s a coincidence that a scene involves one character holding another while desperately calling out for them to come back to them in a direct homage to Squall and Rinoa, which ends in camera pan as flower petals fly through the air, a song called “Loved Grows” plays in the background and a rainbow colored pillar sits behind them? I’m not saying the plot in its entirety is FF8, but this dynamic?

https://twitter.com/ff_xiv_en/status...486250496?s=21

The 14 Twitter is even throwing hints like???

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Yes, coincidences do exist and friends can care deeply and even love each other in a way that is entirely platonic. It also makes sense for Ryne and Gaia to call out to one another given what they had been through. As for the rainbow coloured pillar, that came about through the process of conjuring Primals in order to begin the process of restoration for the First.

As for the Twitter post, it's marketing - and I do believe that it is not written by someone who writes the actual lore and interactions between characters.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Yes, coincidences do exist and friends can care deeply and even love each other in a way that is entirely platonic. It also makes sense for Ryne and Gaia to call out to one another given what they had been through. As for the rainbow coloured pillar, that came about through the process of conjuring Primals in order to begin the process of restoration for the First.

As for the Twitter post, it's marketing - and I do believe that it is not written by someone who writes the actual lore and interactions between characters.

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You must admit that if someone does read their interactions before this differently than you have, that they would very logically not interpret it as being mere coincidence like you have? Or do you think that someone who doesn’t think it’s a coincidence, but a deliberate decision to include these things in this way, is just inserting head canon?

https://gfycat.com/fatherlyimpossibleglassfrog

Look at that coincidence

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You must admit that if someone does read their interactions before this differently than you have, that they would very logically not interpret it as being mere coincidence like you have? Or do you think that someone who doesn’t think it’s a coincidence, but a deliberate decision to include these things in this way, is just inserting head canon?

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Everybody is free to read into it however they so wish. Yet with nothing explicitly confirmed combined with the fact they only knew each other for a short while I have a hard enough time buying into the idea of a deep and meaningful friendship between them, let alone a romantic one.

I don't think that there's a need for businesses to embrace representation for the sake of representation but I do believe that if they were to add LGBT couples to their games then they should be prepared just state it outright. Otherwise to me it would just come across as something left deliberately vague so that in some regions it can be played up and in other regions it can be played down.

As it stands, there's zero mention of them being anything other than friends. It may or may not be confirmed as being something more in the future, we'll see how it goes. It could be that both characters go the way of some of the other side quest NPC's who never show up again after their initial story arc concludes.

Why does everything in this game have to be sexualized? It is not a love Story. Not in the way you try to force it into. It is a tight Friendship. I really do not mind LGBT stuff or whatever, but i hate those who try to forcefeed it into my brain that they are LGBT and (insert random content) is LGBT in their head. I do not care what sexuality people are that i do not know.

By all the Gods this is getting out of hand.

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You people are weird, seriously... To the point where I would 100% call the police if I saw any of you near my kids. Ryne and Gaia are both around 14yo, and you all can't seem to stop—somehow— seeing a sexual interest between them. From everything that we see, nothing points towards them having anything other than a deep bond and friendship going, and until something canonically says otherwise, that is a fact. I'm really disgusted by the way you people are behaving with this "shipping" stuff. By that same logic, Lyse and Papalimo probably were shagging eachothers brains out all day long, right? After all, friendship doesn't exist, it's all about sex— or so you creeps seem to think.

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I mean this thread is a dumpster fire but why are we equating romantic interest to sex?

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You people are weird, seriously... To the point where I would 100% call the police if I saw any of you near my kids. Ryne and Gaia are both around 14yo, and you all can't seem to stop—somehow— seeing a sexual interest between them. From everything that we see, nothing points towards them having anything other than a deep bond and friendship going, and until something canonically says otherwise, that is a fact. I'm really disgusted by the way you people are behaving with this "shipping" stuff. By that same logic, Lyse and Papalimo probably were shagging eachothers brains out all day long, right? After all, friendship doesn't exist, it's all about sex— or so you creeps seem to think.

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Well, not that I necessarily agree that what happened between Ryne and Gaia is a romantic relationship, since it can also be viewed as friendship and I do tend to view their connection that way, but I don't think you are being fair here, to be honest. I don't think even the OP is told in a way that the OP wishes for us to get scenes of, crudely speaking, Ryne and Gaia having sex with one another.

Even if someone were to interpret their relationship as romantic, what makes you immediately think that they're thinking it in the terms of "Ryne and Gaia are shagging one another"? A romantic relationship can be also viewed in an innocent manner, like schoolgirl crush between two young people. Why does your mind immediately assume that people who want these two to be connected romantically only thinking about it in a sexual way?

Despite what you might seemingly think, people who like or love each other when they are in the same gender can do so without thinking about shagging and having sex with the other 24 x 7, you know, just like a romantic connection between people of different genders. That people want to see them together romantically doesn't necessarily mean that they're always thinking about Ryne shagging Gaia, you know, so it's a bit unfair that it seems like that is the point that you're so quickly jumping into.

Little disclaimer: I see every human being as exactly that, a human being with certain basic rights. Nobody should be harrassed cause of what they are. And that said...

I saw a rainbow some weeks ago, does that mean the light which breaks in the raindrops support LGBTQ rights? Jokes aside that crystal shows all elements which are in this order cause we know rainbows and in other combinations it would look odd in our eyes since we know our spectrum of light. I wish people would stop screaming for LGBTQ rep and stop sexualizing literally every and anything they encounter. Dunno what is wrong with people when their first thought when encountering a new character isn't what they are about but rather what sexuality they would like to see in them.

And i am in fact very gay myself and i guess it's just a silly wish to want a world where nobody gives a fork about stuff like that which would be a world in which we people would be truly accepted as what we are, just another person in a world of billions of people. That's why i don't like the LGBTQ "community" that much, screaming first for acceptance but then wanting special rep and we need a char that is so rainbow you can literally see he is part of the LGBTQ. And not noticing that this special rep shouldn't be special at all, it should be normal and we shouldn't care about it but people do and that's why we will always be this silly curiosity that needs special attention.

But hey people will always love stereotypes, so nothing will change and people will cry for rep chars and celebrate anything that looks close to a LGBTQ couple or a rainbow even if it's just a crystal combining the forking elements in the game. No notion of their character developement. No notion of any character trait other than the sexuality. Put a male roe in a dress and let him be a trans scion and the world would rejoice even if his character would be as flat as his chest.

yall do realize that LGBT isn't inherently sexual right

like

seems like yall invent things to be mad at

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yall do realize that LGBT isn't inherently sexual right

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seems like yall invent things to be mad at

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You know what grinds my gear? There is no H for homosexuals in LGBT!! Where is the H!?

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yall do realize that LGBT isn't inherently sexual right

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Gender and sexuality. It's not that hard to understand. And it makes no difference actually, if these are the only character traits you focus on you actually work against acceptance of LGBT people, since you make something that should be just normal into a special case. Like a endangered zoo animal that needs to put up on display to spread awareness. I wish it would be like for example our eye color, you don't go out and say "Oh this person has blue eyes that is so special we need more blue eyes in movie and games since it's a fairly rare mutation!". No blue eyes are widespread accepted and thus nobody gives a fork most times. Wish it would be the same with LGBTQ, nobody gives a fork and thus everyone can live their life in peace. But LGBT transformed from a movement into a lifestyle so i have no hopes anymore that this will ever change.

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You know what grinds my gear? There is no H for homosexuals in LGBT!! Where is the H!?

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Yeah we got lemon, ginger, bacon, tomato... It's weird...

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Yeah we got lemon, ginger, bacon, tomato... It's weird...

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We got room for ham.

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Originally Posted by PeekayTom

yall do realize that LGBT isn't inherently sexual right

like

seems like yall invent things to be mad at

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It’s moreso that people seem to keep trying to force things that aren’t there, and then shove it in people’s faces and state it as fact. It’s pretty bad when most of the people who are saying not everything needs to be lgbt and giving explanations are gay themselves lmao.