Housing demolition

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Its actually not weird at all!
When you use a summoning bell, you dont open an inventory - you open a menu from which you select the inventory (aka your retainer) you want to access. The summoning bell is just a "gateway" to get to those multiple inventories, not the inventory itself. No one can access your retainers inventory at the same time as you do.

With the glamour dresser you get straight into the inventory, which is what could cause issues.

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Oh right it is the Armoire that sort of has that initial menu.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

Oh right it is the Armoire that sort of has that initial menu.

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Yeah, I assume - and thats really just my assumption - that with the armoire they're a little less worried since most of the stuff people can place into it is tied to achievments and can be re-bought from the Calamity Salvager anyways. So if something where to happen to your armoire-inventory, it would be an easy fix (even a fix you could apply yourself by re-buying the items).

The glamour dresser on the other hand holds up to 400 individual items from all kinds of sources... in addition to that it stores more information about the item than the armoire, mainly the colour.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Who has a house and isn't hanging around it constantly? I don't think I leave my house and my fc house unless I need to gather or visit a specific vendor. Give me a glamour chest for housing and I'd be visiting main cities even less.

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It always seems to be when the timer comes back up that these "demolition bug" threads pop up. Have yet to see a single official word on it actually existing..

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Most of the game doesn't take place in the housing wards so it's going to be the rare player that's hanging out at their house constantly. I'll go to my house a few times a day but I'm not hanging out there unless I'm on a crafting binge or redecorating.

When I can watch a friend walk into the house he owns on my alt who is a tenant in that house and the demo notice in timers does not get reset, it's safe to say the demo bug actually exists. As someone who never leaves their house, you're unlikely to encounter it.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

Which is weird because Summoning Bells work.

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The game doesn't consider items stored on your retainer as being part of your character inventory. They're considered part of the retainer inventory and you have sole access to remove them. Items placed/stored in housing work in a similar fashion except a tenant (if you have any) can also access those items. I imagine the chocobo saddlebag is the same way.

It's part of how they get around some of the inventory data issues.

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Originally Posted by NemesisRevo

Role playing? Decorating? One private and one fc isn't enough? Can't see any other reason, and if is there one I sincerely won't to know it. It seems I started a war in this thread.

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I have one large house that is set up as a museum in Shirogane. The limit of furniture means my second floor is mostly empty. I have a second house on the waterfront in Mist with a beachside cottage feel. Very compact and cozy. A third is a sort of arboretum that’s still a WIP.

Compared to my good good friend who bought a large in Ul’dah who has nothing but a single spotlight on a single chair in the central atrium. Lights out. Now he’s well within his rights to decorate however he wants (including what looks like a 3rd world interrogation scene...)... but I could do a lot more with it we’re it in my hands. He has no interest in decorating it. He just wanted to have 3 garden plots.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

It’s just a pretty pointless post by you getting salty because you didn’t go inside your house once for 45 days, despite apparently playing every single day to raid.

What response were you expecting?

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As I said I'm almost sure 45 days didn't passed too. I opened a ticket for that, so stop losing your time to reply with no constructive words. So shocked how people can be so aggressive.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There is a bug where sometimes the game doesn't register that you have entered your house unless you interact with something inside of it. It's something that has been getting reported for a while and been viewed with skepticism by part of the player base but it does exist. I had my own experience with it earlier this year.

A friend has one of my alts as tenant in his house. I had noticed the demo notice in her timers and let him know.

"But I was just in my house yesterday".

He went back in his house again. We both still had the demolition notice in our timers.

He logged off his character, logged back in, went into his house and this time interacted with his Summoning Bell as I suggested. Finally the demolition message cleared.

All I can say is that it's best to make sure you enter your house every time you log in and interact with something in the house, and also to check your Estate timers on a regular basis (I tend to check my timers every Monday to make sure I got all my weekly stuff done on my characters and it's easy to check Estate at the same time). The notification will show up in timers 14 days before demolition while the emails don't get sent out until 10 days before demolition.

As for the something better for housing, they need to stop pouring resources into the ward system and start expanding on the instanced system. There is no need for demolition with instanced housing (why apartments don't demo). The ward system has created far too many headaches with no real benefit (doesn't feel like I'm living in a neighborhood when I never see my neighbors).

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Thank you for the suggestions jojoyo, this is maybe happened to me and I'll pay more attention next time.

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Originally Posted by Garet

As someone who just started decorating my room in our FC house, I can understand how attached we can get for the hard work we put into decorating our room and house. it takes time and effort especially after a while when you start farming for those more expensive furniture.

As some posters have said do not forget to reclaim those from the housing vendors so that at least when you re-acquire a house or room that you at least have those rare furniture still.

I do wish they can think of a better way for this housing but it is hard. Even if they make it an FC only housing some people will make shell-FC to buy multiple ones.

The only thing we can hope is like you said that people can be more reasonable and generous but unfortunately for every generous person there is a person who is not. I once met someone when I was helping FC to buy a house in goblet who said he was buying a house not because he wants one or his FC needs it (they already have FC mansion), but because they are planning to make an entire ward under their FC so each member is encouraged to buy a plot on that specific ward. And yes he won the click race lolz It is kinda sad though as after I congratulated him he admitted that while it is awesome he won he probably won't use it much since he is not a housing player.

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I decorated my house with my boyfriend, and we did together a lot of glitching so yeah I'm really sad for the time spent.
I reclaimed everything thanks for the help!

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Originally Posted by NemesisRevo

As I said I'm almost sure 45 days didn't passed too. I opened a ticket for that, so stop losing your time to reply with no constructive words. So shocked how people can be so aggressive.

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“Almost sure” sounds very convincing.

If the crux of your point was that your house had been demolished early (and you actually had any proof instead of just a hunch) then fair enough. But it’s not. It’s just pages of you whining that other people who don’t deserve houses have them and you don’t.

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Originally Posted by NemesisRevo

Instead, people who has multiple houses care more than me cause they remember to do it. Even if they don't care for real cause they didn't use it.

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Clearly they use it more than you do as they bother to go inside at least once every six weeks.

I also lost my house this is insane... like my life has been extremely busy but I DO USE MY HOUSE and i literally log out in my yard every time i play. Like im sry that my life is such garbage i can't remember to walk in. I'm literally having a panic attack, this is horrible

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Originally Posted by Darkplanet

i literally log out in my yard every time i play.

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Logging off in your yard will not reset the timer. You need to go INSIDE the house (and preferly use something in there like summoning bell etc)

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Its actually not weird at all!
When you use a summoning bell, you dont open an inventory - you open a menu from which you select the inventory (aka your retainer) you want to access. The summoning bell is just a "gateway" to get to those multiple inventories, not the inventory itself. No one can access your retainers inventory at the same time as you do.

With the glamour dresser you get straight into the inventory, which is what could cause issues.

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Ah this is interesting. Thanks for the knowledge :)

Am I the only one that will put Repair NPC in the house and use it everyday?
It is so weird to see people claiming they lost the house because they didnt receive notification

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Am I the only one that will put Repair NPC in the house and use it everyday?
It is so weird to see people claiming they lost the house because they didnt receive notification

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Personally I dont need to use the Repair NPC since I can repair stuff myself - and I would imagine that that goes for one or two other homeowners aswell...

...but still - there are SO many useful things I stuffed into my house (and convenitly right at the entrance, too!) that I find myself entering the house on a basically daily basis to handle retainers, trade with vendor NPCs or access the FC chest. Thats not even to mention just entering the house to craft in peace with music of my choice...

So yeah, I keep wondering that aswell - if someone has trouble remembering to enter their house, why not make the house into a place you want to enter? It might not be perfect place to handle everything without the glamour-dresser, but there are still plenty of things where a house can be really useful, so entering it once every 6 weeks should really come natural (at least for someone whos actively playing during that time).

Tenants should receive demo notices too when it starts ticking down, that's how my friends notified me before about my alt's house when I hadn't been on it in a while. I'm not sure how far along it was but I never got an email about that house timer and I always get my payment emails. My friend boxy's house also blew up with no warning, luckily it was before the stupid timer system so she was able to rebuy it back from the nice guy that bought it after it blew up.

I think email is a crap way to do it to be honest because it is one of the most unreliable ways to notify someone of something. SMTP is utter garbage nonsense from 1981. They should send you mogmails in game or something in addition.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Am I the only one that will put Repair NPC in the house and use it everyday?
It is so weird to see people claiming they lost the house because they didnt receive notification

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I have a house on my main that I go into literally every day, and a Medium on an alt on another server I rarely use but always remember to keep the timer from counting down because I have every intention of maintaining control of the property long-term.

it's crazy to me that people can be active in-game and accidentally allow their only house to demolish.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

I have a house on my main that I go into literally every day, and a Medium on an alt on another server I rarely use but always remember to keep the timer from counting down because I have every intention of maintaining control of the property long-term.

it's crazy to me that people can be active in-game and accidentally allow their only house to demolish.

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Yeah. I mean it sucks, but IMO if someone is going 45 days without using the plot, even if they're still active in the game, it should be freed up for someone else to use.

Ideally we wouldn't need the system, but so long as wards are so limited, it's going to be required.

Now if there's an issue where going into the house doesn't reset the timer and someone has to interact with an npc, that specifically should get fixed. Not everyone using their house is using it for repair npcs etc.

Goes to show people don't read or pay attention. With how hard it is to even get a plot one would think they would read everything and understand everything so things like this DON'T happen. I've never lost a house I had due to not entering it. What's the point if you never use it? Then again I log out sleeping in my bed .. and that's IF I log out. So maybe I'm just wired differently. Now glitches happen.. like being stuck on Balmung with no way out. So head pats are happening and are serious crazy. Also being blamed because of name is happening too but that's a VERY small case. Server limitations indeeeeeed.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Am I the only one that will put Repair NPC in the house and use it everyday?
It is so weird to see people claiming they lost the house because they didnt receive notification

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Same, repair NPC and also the junkmonger so I can sell junk. Bell for retainers right next to them - with all those in one easy place, I know I will be inside the house every single day I am online.

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Originally Posted by enthauptet

Tenants should receive demo notices too when it starts ticking down, that's how my friends notified me before about my alt's house when I hadn't been on it in a while. I'm not sure how far along it was but I never got an email about that house timer and I always get my payment emails. My friend boxy's house also blew up with no warning, luckily it was before the stupid timer system so she was able to rebuy it back from the nice guy that bought it after it blew up.

I think email is a crap way to do it to be honest because it is one of the most unreliable ways to notify someone of something. SMTP is utter garbage nonsense from 1981. They should send you mogmails in game or something in addition.

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There is an ingame "notice" so to speak - though granted, its fairly hidden in the second tab of the timer menu, so not an ideal place. A log-in message would be a good addition, agreed (please dont spam my mogmail...).

However: I'm pretty sure everyone of us has the means to create their own warning system! If you're worried that you're one of those people who forget to step inside their house every 6 weeks, why not set yourself a recuring appointment in your phone or calender of choice? You can pick a day and time thats convenient for you (aka: A day and time you'll most likely be playing), set the alarm for every 4 weeks (maybe have a back up one every 5 weeks, in case you miss the first one) and there you go.
Or you do what someone in this thread already suggested and make it part of your weekly routine not only to cap and finish weekly quests but step inside the house once.

You can argue that you shouldnt need to use tools outside of the game to keep track of your house - but I would argue that anyone whos actively using their house doesnt need any of those tools (neither the ones SE provides nor selfmade solutions), because they're already using the house as intended. Anyone who isnt doing that and is worried might do well to put saftey nets like that in place.

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Originally Posted by NemesisRevo

Well, refund exist. And why do you need an entire ward?!

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Refunds exist for time? You're able to give people back the hours they spent camping and decorating?

Please explain.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

Refunds exist for time? You're able to give people back the hours they spent camping and decorating?

Please explain.

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For time? No.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

For time? No.

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Right.

So OP is incorrect in saying houses can be refunded, since there is a time investment. That's the point.

And that's not what I understand they meant. You get most of your items and gil back. You do get a refund.

You do not get everything back when your plot is demolished :

Here is the lodestone page :

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e7ccabefa9954

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Reclaiming Gil and Items
When an estate has been demolished, gil and certain furnishings will be placed in the care of the resident caretaker for a fixed period of time.

Redeemable from the Resident Caretaker
80% of the price paid for the estate grounds.
Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are not destroyed upon removal.

Not Redeemable from the Resident Caretaker
The construction permit required to build an estate.
Furnishings destroyed upon removal.
Housing exteriors.
Private chambers.
Company workshops and any registered airships in the workshop.

So , not a full refund.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

Refunds exist for time? You're able to give people back the hours they spent camping and decorating?

Please explain.

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Why would anyone need a refund for time they voluntarily chose to use to play a game?

No one needs a refund for any time spent decorating their virtual toy.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Am I the only one that will put Repair NPC in the house and use it everyday?
It is so weird to see people claiming they lost the house because they didnt receive notification

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I use mine for summoning bell. I self-repair cause it last longer.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Why would anyone need a refund for time they voluntarily chose to use to play a game?

No one needs a refund for any time spent decorating their virtual toy.

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Likewise, no one need give up said virtual toy, which I believe is one of the points of multi home owners not wanting to give them up. I have 3, plus a sorta kinda 4th that I would happily give up if I had alternative options. I am basically drowning in gil, so for me to give up any houses, I need some incentive. (eg. Free trade to instanced with upgrades.. S in neighborhood gives me M instanced, or something)

People are upset that others have multiple homes (mostly obtained by legit means) and wish for the system to force these players to lose these homes. But simply issuing a refund is not fair.

Anyway, it’s all a moot point since SE is on record saying the current system is working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Nightroad

So , not a full refund.

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Nobody is saying you get a full 100% refund of items and gil.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

You get most of your items and gil back. You do get a refund.

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Originally Posted by Nightroad

You do not get everything back when your plot is demolished :

Here is the lodestone page :

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e7ccabefa9954

And i will quote :

Reclaiming Gil and Items
When an estate has been demolished, gil and certain furnishings will be placed in the care of the resident caretaker for a fixed period of time.

Redeemable from the Resident Caretaker
80% of the price paid for the estate grounds.
Indoor and outdoor furnishings that are not destroyed upon removal.

Not Redeemable from the Resident Caretaker
The construction permit required to build an estate.
Furnishings destroyed upon removal.
Housing exteriors.
Private chambers.
Company workshops and any registered airships in the workshop.

So , not a full refund.

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Not everything, but pretty dang close to everything. The only things that really get destroyed now are interior and exterior fixtures. A way around losing those is to simply replace them with cheap items from the housing vendors. Obviously that's a bit more of a problem if someone has been gone for a long time and cannot return, but it is still an option.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Likewise, no one need give up said virtual toy, which I believe is one of the points of multi home owners not wanting to give them up. I have 3, plus a sorta kinda 4th that I would happily give up if I had alternative options. I am basically drowning in gil, so for me to give up any houses, I need some incentive. (eg. Free trade to instanced with upgrades.. S in neighborhood gives me M instanced, or something)

People are upset that others have multiple homes (mostly obtained by legit means) and wish for the system to force these players to lose these homes. But simply issuing a refund is not fair.

Anyway, it’s all a moot point since SE is on record saying the current system is working as intended.

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There are rules for retaining the toy. If someone doesn't follow those rules then yes, they should have to give it up.

I don't have an issue with the houses covered by the 4.2 grandfather clause. I do want to see houses taken away from those who have abused the FC system to purchase multiple houses after the 4.2 rules change.

Do you have a link to where a member of the development team has recently said the system is working exactly as intended? Every time the question comes up, someone drags out a screenshot of a GM conversation where the GM states that taking a house away from a player is outside of the scope of their job duties. That's not the same as working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Not everything, but pretty dang close to everything. The only things that really get destroyed now are interior and exterior fixtures. A way around losing those is to simply replace them with cheap items from the housing vendors. Obviously that's a bit more of a problem if someone has been gone for a long time and cannot return, but it is still an option.

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You get most fixtures back now as well. Usually the only thing missing is any food item that had charges consumed.