Art of War Thought?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Wait, ya'll aren't on the tank's or boss' ass constantly? I must be doing something wrong

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I stay up in there!! So the range suits me fine.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Dots+Bane+Shadowflare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Art of War

SCH used to be so satisfying on the DPS front...

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Pretty much this.

My other issues with AoW is that it looks, feels, and sounds awful for one. Doesn’t look as great Gravity nor Holy for the trade off of not being as involved to AoE on SCH compared to past expansion. The second is that it’s literally a recycle of a pvp skill scholar has had, verbatim in animation. So it’s not new.

I agree the ground slap animation is silly, especially for a skill that you spam. but I'm personally fond of the visual effect itself because it's not as visually cluttered as the other healer AoEs. My ideal scenario would be Miasma/Bio + Bane, with AoW being the AoE filler once dots are up.

On a similar tangent, I hated Miasma II in SB, I didn't hate it as an AoE skill, it was very good for that role, I hate that it made Ruin II obsolete on all but certain scenarios. I completely understand the argument of "It's a multi-purpose skill, therefore interesting to optimize around" but at the same time the fact it fills this niche then made Ruin II obsolete screams "We threw this skill together in a panic and gave no regard to the fact it might interfere with the effectiveness of other skills"

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Originally Posted by Teno

I hate the animation, which is the worst part about it aside from the fact that it's boring. I used to cast spells with my book and I always felt SCH/SMN animations were beautifully made for the most part. Come shadowbringers, and suddenly I tap the ground with my hand, AND they removed shadowflare and bane. At the very least they could have worked something out with the book...

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Exactly. Shadowflare and bane were very nice. Art of War is a lame substitute that doesn't even apply a dot to the targets it hits. Yoshi should be banned from healer design forever after 5.0.

I'm not sure Sun Tzu had ground slapping in mind.

Ultimately Art of War is the epitome of lazy design. Par for the course for healer development.

They took a PvP ability, removed it from that content then copy and pasted it to PvE.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Ultimately Art of War is the epitome of lazy design. Par for the course for healer development.

They took a PvP ability, removed it from that content then copy and pasted it to PvE.

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Reminds me about how they 'fixed' the SCH fairies. They fixed Selene by basically deleting her and copying Eos in her place with a different skin. LAZY.

I don’t like anything about AoW. The animation is boring and seems to be out of place with the entire rest of the kit. I mean the color scheme isn’t quite coherent with other SCH skills, at least to me. The fact that it’s point blank is sort of toxic. Holy was silly enough to put a smushy healer into the fray, but the difference is Holy can stun to mitigate damage. I also believe its MP cost has been changed at least once if not more than once because it was too expensive. Its expense for how terrible it is makes me feel as if it was just lazily thrown in to make up for the loss of several AOE skills.

I barely even play SCH tin ShB because it received the biggest nerfs, no contest, while only managing somehow to become even clunkier while honestly having less to do. I’d like old damaging skills back. Shadowflare is what I’d like the most, I think.

Art of War would be nice as filler if we had out previous dots, an AoE rotation of "AoE dot->Single target dotS (as in more than 1)->Bane->Shadowflare (please come back)->Art of War Spam until dots fall off" would be really nice to do and could enhance the sch gameplay in very much needed ways.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Give Miasma 2 a dot CD or somthing spamming it being hella close to the boss never feels good, as gravity casts at a distant and holy stuns

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There's a problem with that though....

Personally I think Bio, Miasma, Fester, and Bane should all be moved from SMN to SCH. Let SMN be a summoner. Healers need to feel different from one another. Our devs worry far too much about job balance in savage raids to the detriment of the rest of the game. If people want the most optimized group comp, bring those jobs.... you can level them all on your character.

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Originally Posted by Sealish

Hi, so something that I keep seeing is how underwhelmed people are with Art of War. Personally I love it, it is my favorite of the Healer AoEs. I know many people like Holy. I do not, so people have their own preferences.

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I remember being so excited to unlock Holy all those years ago when lvling my WMH (my first class ever and at launch. I stopped playing for a few years and decided to start fresh on a new account a couple years back cause I wanted the free sub month and I was going to start a new character anyways). I was so disappointed. It had a long cast time and then a long delay before it actually hit. It felt like it took a good 5 seconds to even do anything, and when it went off it was a big pink disco ball, not anything like holy looked like in any of the other FF games I had played where it was rays of light piercing enemies. It obscured view, was ugly, and felt super clunky. It was effective, but that was it. I hated using it.
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Anyways, Art of War. I like the animation. It is low to the ground and so does not cause visual clutter and I like the understated visual. I love that it is instant cast since it means that I can spam it when needed while still having my full array of oGCD tools. But I will admit that having it be a PBAoE is strange for the class lore. A tactician should not be wading ankle deep into the melee. I think a small change would make it feel way better.

What if it was still PBAoE if cast normally, but if cast on your faerie would radiate from them instead (or have a separate button that cast it on the faerie to avoid the weird pet targeting stuff). Your character would still cast it, the faerie would not, but it would radiate from the faerie like a focus.

At first I thought that it would be cool if you could cast it on any party member (but not enemies) and it would radiate from them... but that may be a bit unbalanced and would step on Gravity's toes because you would just always cast it on the tank.

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Art of war is a blast. Its instant cast u can weave in skills and have excelent mobility. I dunno what else could someone ask

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Originally Posted by Kazukiyashuo

Art of war is a blast. Its instant cast u can weave in skills and have excelent mobility. I dunno what else could someone ask

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Don't know if you played before art of war was added, but we used to have more fun, more engaging, better looking spells to casts. Nobody asked for art of war.

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Originally Posted by Teno

Don't know if you played before art of war was added, but we used to have more fun, more engaging, better looking spells to casts. Nobody asked for art of war.

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More engaging ? Like 2 more dots ? Yeah that was very engaging and fun. I asked for art of war. Cheers

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Originally Posted by Kazukiyashuo

More engaging ? Like 2 more dots ? Yeah that was very engaging and fun. I asked for art of war. Cheers

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Thanks for letting us know you're trolling.

Or maybe he's saying he doesn't subscribe to a hive mind mentality.

Yeah I wish there were more dots in addition to Art of War. 6.0 will inevitably come with beefier harder hitting mobs at 81, so we will need more damage tools than what we have now..

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

Or maybe he's saying he doesn't subscribe to a hive mind mentality.

Yeah I wish there were more dots in addition to Art of War. 6.0 will inevitably come with beefier harder hitting mobs at 81, so we will need more damage tools than what we have now..

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Not really. Healers didn't exactly receive many new damage tools, but saw the largest ratio of increase in DPS this expansion. Final PPS has little to do with how many actions one has.

But I do hope Helaers get something neat.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Thanks for letting us know you're trolling.

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yeah anyone with a different opinion than yours is trolling, i wont even explain to you why art of war is far better than 2 dots bane spread, your brain cant handle that. Adios

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Originally Posted by Kazukiyashuo

yeah anyone with a different opinion than yours is trolling, i wont even explain to you why art of war is far better than 2 dots bane spread, your brain cant handle that. Adios

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you won't because you can't baby

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Originally Posted by Kazukiyashuo

yeah anyone with a different opinion than yours is trolling, i wont even explain to you why art of war is far better than 2 dots bane spread, your brain cant handle that. Adios

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Don't think I've ever seen someone say "goodbye" so many times and keep coming back just to insult others then say "goodbye" again.