A request for your constructive suggestions on Bozja 5.45

1.Personally, imo, there needs to be some sort of daily/weekly reward system in there. This is also something I wish Eureka got, but they did at least put in EXP gain in the Challenge Log for that area. Maybe do something like that for mettle?
2. Rip Castrum out and make it queueable from outside in Gangos like DR is. Only reason is so this can be beatable in the future. I know in the LL they pointed out they know this is a bottleneck, so I'll wait to see what they come up with.
3. Make the essences and lost actions better explained in game and add a reward system (becides the earrings) which rewards for collecting them.
4. Make the drops the same in Bozja as they are outside. (Really I'm tired of running CT raids please.....)

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Originally Posted by Infindox

1.Personally, imo, there needs to be some sort of daily/weekly reward system in there. This is also something I wish Eureka got, but they did at least put in EXP gain in the Challenge Log for that area. Maybe do something like that for mettle?

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There actually is, for Delubrum Reginae; there's a weekly repeatable quest which awards you Bozjan gold coins and mettle for running Delubrum. I agree Castrum could use something similar. Immediately, if not sooner.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

2. Rip Castrum out and make it queueable from outside in Gangos like DR is. Only reason is so this can be beatable in the future. I know in the LL they pointed out they know this is a bottleneck, so I'll wait to see what they come up with.

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I suspect it's not 100% easy to do this, since Castrum is seemingly implemented as a FATE within a zone (albeit a FATE in a portion of the map you can't normally reach), rather than an instanced duty in its own right. I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible at all, but I imagine ripping what is likely the most complex FATE in the game out of its zone and turning it into an instanced duty isn't a simple matter of flipping a single flag in the code either.

(Unless you do something hackish like make it instanciate the entire Bozjan Southern Front, then just automatically throw everyone into the Castrum CE and force them to commence. Which would... probably work in a technical sense, yes. But I suspect there are serious downsides as well, not all of which may be visible to us; it could be things like how instanced Exploratory Zones a'la Eureka and Bozja are allocated servers when needed, versus how dungeons/raids are.)

So while I agree they need to do this, I'm not holding my breath expecting it to happen overnight. (Even if it really should have been done with 5.45, yes.)

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

There actually is, for Delubrum Reginae; there's a weekly repeatable quest which awards you Bozjan gold coins and mettle for running Delubrum. I agree Castrum could use something similar. Immediately, if not sooner.

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I know there is for DR, my apologies that I didn't say. It's one piece of the Judge gear a week pretty much. I think there should be something like that for Castrum though, or Bozja in general (like, say, do x amount of CEs or Skirmishes, get mettle and maybe something else)

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I suspect it's not 100% easy to do this, since Castrum is seemingly implemented as a FATE within a zone (albeit a FATE in a portion of the map you can't normally reach), rather than an instanced duty in its own right. I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible at all, but I imagine ripping what is likely the most complex FATE in the game out of its zone and turning it into an instanced duty isn't a simple matter of flipping a single flag in the code either.

(Unless you do something hackish like make it instanciate the entire Bozjan Southern Front, then just automatically throw everyone into the Castrum CE and force them to commence. Which would... probably work in a technical sense, yes. But I suspect there are serious downsides as well, not all of which may be visible to us; it could be things like how instanced Exploratory Zones a'la Eureka and Bozja are allocated servers when needed, versus how dungeons/raids are.)

So while I agree they need to do this, I'm not holding my breath expecting it to happen overnight. (Even if it really should have been done with 5.45, yes.)

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Also yes you are right, I just feel like they need to do SOMETHING with queuing in there. Rewards aren't going to help much.

I think Bozja is fine with the exception of castrum. This needs to be removed from bozja and added to the LFG queue, and they need to remove the mettle penalties and make it easier.

Any buff they give to the rewards is only a bandage, it will still die over time and it’s too crucial for other content. DR will likely go the same way.

Many thanks for all your suggestions :)
We will see what tomorrow's hotfixes bring.

Honestly if I had criticism's it's that Mettle Loss should just go in the sin bin in general, it's a pointless mechanic and utterly unnecessary, feel's like it was thrown in as an afterthought from Eureka. All it really accomplishes is to stress people who will eventually rage quit or give up before they have the patience to learn. Some mechanics from bosses are also extremely random and punishing, Soviet Chocobo being one of the Notorious ones as well as that Robot that spams Lazers and Flames while rotating, can get clipped without realising it and die.

Honestly if they want to add something to this they should either add the dyed relic's from Memoria Miseria as Random Boss Drops to encourage people to farm it, or add items in that would allow us to upgrade the weathered i430 job gear and weapons to an i500/520 item for glamour and catch up purposes, this expansion has been unusual in that there's been no way to upgrade this gear unlike the previous Job Gears added in previous expansions. This would definately motivate people to do this (unless they've been intentonally holding this back for something in 5.5)

As for Castrum and Delibrium, both are well designed instances and would be better off being just added to the Duty Finder, if they don't wish to remove mettle loss it should certainly GIVE mettle, the fact that the bosses give nothing more than a paltry few coins it's well.... a real motivation killer. The excess grind for the relic also doesn't help, it should certainly give more than one item a run especially considering you could get 2 or 3 in a run of Palace of the Dead 51-100.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

There has been quite a lot of negativity in regard to current Bozja.
In an effort to turn this around into something positive, what would your constructive improvement ideas be?

It may work better if your improvement ideas follow the numbered format below. Of course some ideas may take a little longer than a single line to explain, it's just that concise answers provide clarity and are easily read :)

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The main reason why there is negativity regarding it is because most people expect it to be a walk in the park. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter and a trophy for not doing much. I do agree the rewards need a little touch up but people need to understand that this is endgame content and not a walk in the park. They will ease it up patch by patch like they did eureka as it becomes more obsolete.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

The main reason why there is negativity regarding it is because most people expect it to be a walk in the park. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter and a trophy for not doing much. I do agree the rewards need a little touch up but people need to understand that this is endgame content and not a walk in the park. They will ease it up patch by patch like they did eureka as it becomes more obsolete.

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The relic isn't supposed to be endgame content. Or at least no more than a casual endgame. That's where they screwed up here. They're trying to force a player base that has zero interest into this content and mucking it up for anyone who does, rather than letting both sides enjoy the content they enjoy and avoid the content they don't.

They seriously need to attach more rewards to savage Delubrum if they don't want it to die out once interested players have gotten their initial clears for the mount and minion.

Unlike Baldesion Arsenal, you need to have 48 people just to queue in, and the DPS checks are largely tuned around that many players, whereas you can get away significantly fewer players then the cap in Baldesion and still clear.

I think at absolute minimum, they should make a full run of savage drop five timeworn artifacts instead of one to encourage people to use it for the relic grind over normal assuming you can get a competent group.

1. Get rid of mettle loss. Like seriously Square Enix 95% of your playerbase is casual even the Japanese and you thought adding grindfest mechanics from Ultima Online was a good idea? Just because I do not derank does not make me feel better about losing 700k if I even attempt a Savage Delubrum run.

2. Add it to the duty finder queue along with Castrum... btw this is the same dev that does not allow you to skip cutscenes in Prae but adding Castrum Lactoris to the duty finder is beyond their abilities? Not putting Castrum into the duty finder has been an incredibly short sighted decision very out of line with what I have come to expect from Square Enix.

3. Stop making consumables overwrite each other. This is an extreme Korean grind concept that never works.

4. If the goal is the gear then bump it up to 530ilvl because NOONE is farming 510 gear...like seriously who designed that?

5. To late to fix this but the mount never should have been able to be put on the auction house. Instead it should have been like a 500 coin reward or something. Just being able to buy the Gabriel mounts off the AH eliminates like 99% of the reason people would even step foot in Bozja. You would think the guys who invented the Osma mount that people still farm in BA would realize this that is locked behind a 60 lvl GRINDDDDDFESSSTTTTTT in Eureka.

6. Allow people to swap roles. Expecting people to know the ins and outs of the action system that is pure RNG anyways so you get this pretend blue mage thing with bosses that hit like freight trains and have 3 times more health then is required makes it all make very little sense.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

The main reason why there is negativity regarding it is because most people expect it to be a walk in the park. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter and a trophy for not doing much. I do agree the rewards need a little touch up but people need to understand that this is endgame content and not a walk in the park. They will ease it up patch by patch like they did eureka as it becomes more obsolete.

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Wow, people still use this lame@ss excuse of a reason in 2021 to make them feel good/belittle others? "They" want everything handed to them just as much as raider playing exclusively for the challenge, right *winkwink*. Stop living in the past with outdated casual vs non-casual tainted glasses and midset.

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Wow, people still use this excuse of a reason in 2021 to make them feel good/belittle others? "They" want everything handed to them just as much as raider playing exclusively for the challenge, right *winkwink*. Stop living in the past with outdated casual vs non-casual tainted glasses and midset.

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I also, as I've less time, "adulting" or whatever you want to call it, legitimately see myself enjoying easier content more and more. Get to do a lot of stuff, big progress, big damage, low stress and don't need to memorize a bunch of stuff to get in and enjoy it (not that I think I'm bad, I use all my spells and follow the markers lol, in this way it often lets me carry DF groups since most DF content is designed to be basically easy enough you only need 1/2 to 1/4 of your group doing 'okay' to actually win- which feels fun too).

"So U WaN It JuSt HaNdEd to YoU?!?! YoU DoN'T WaNT To FoRm A STaTiC aNd FaRm FoR 2 HoURS or MorE A DaY? LAAAZzzZY"


"..pretty much, I don't have the time NOR the DESIRE to do that". Give it to me over easy, thanks. This coming from someone who used to do that harder content (more so in old WoW tbh). I just don't have the time nor the desire to 'waste' what time I have on attempts that net no gains (for example trying to do savage content in DF is like trying to pull out teeth from an awake blood frenzy shark, it's usually going to go horribly and take a long time). Naturally people who have time to wait in PF and start groups and kick out those who didn't learn the routine will do it easily (it's not that hard if you follow instructions), but for those who are more in a time restricted "I just want to de-stress" . . a chance (likely a small chance) at progress seems like a good waste of time. So naturally this is where the multiple (two or more) different types of players will start to impact each other's content types.


It's why when I thought they were making a solo job (designed to solo content your main jobs couldn't even) I was actually excited (it's not that, but I still hope they might think about that).


So of course different players play this game, you'd make a mistake if you made the game too hardcore or too casual such that either audience is like "this game is awful". I do think they messed up, just a little, by binding relic into this "hardcore-lite" content concept (lite, it's not that hardcore but it has lite concepts, like consumable spells that can't be learned, like the group system not actually producing groups that can clear CLL consistently, etc). Nothing wrong with a hardcore Eureka concept, but I think you bound relic into it inappropriately then (at least to me relic was originally meant to be that casual 'end game', so everything to do with relic should be casual oriented). Nothing wrong with making it lighter core, than it already is (remove mettle loss, make spells learnable or whatever, make content consistently clear-able, etc), but then you want to make sure those mid-core/hard-core players are enjoying 'something' at least.


I still think simply making the stuff relic needs scale-able (and more rewarding at the same time), while also making spells less annoying to use would do great benefits (with like either no mettle loss for those instances or a maximum that isn't "the entire level's worth of buffer you earned" lol). Since using spells makes things easier and is part of the excitement of the whole system, just by getting people to use them more frivolously while ensuring relic related content consistently clears with almost nearly 'whatever group is formed' would do well in general (more spells being used would already help, adding light scaling on top of that and I think everything "should" be fine for a while- with those tweaks (scaling, spell use concept adjustments, mettle loss review)).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I also, as I've less time, "adulting" or whatever you want to call it, legitimately see myself enjoying easier content more and more. Get to do a lot of stuff, big progress, big damage, low stress and don't need to memorize a bunch of stuff to get in and enjoy it (not that I think I'm bad, I use all my spells and follow the markers lol, in this way it often lets me carry DF groups since most DF content is designed to be basically easy enough you only need 1/2 to 1/4 of your group doing 'okay' to actually win- which feels fun too).

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I think the problem is there's two mindsets at war. One is "I'm older now, I have kids/a job/a mortgage/whatever, I don't have the time to put in a 200-hour grind to get a thing, but I still want to play the game", and then the other is "I want there to be aspirational content, stuff you have to really strive for to get, things that you need to challenge yourself with". And the first group may even agree with the second... but I don't think right now everyone agrees on what that aspirational content is.

Some folks feel the relic is aspirational content that should require some work and effort to get (albeit, one hopes, not so much as savage content necessarily does), and that there needs to be challenge to it. Others feel the relic is for casual folks, and that the obstacle to obtaining it should be time rather than difficulty.

And Square-Enix is proving really, really bad at clearly communicating which of those things is their intention—or if they mean something else with it, like some middle ground—so each side (understandably) thinks their interpretation of it is the correct one and approaches the discussion/debate that way. Hence, folks who view it as aspirational content are probably feeling "You just want the challenging stuff to be dumbed down and the rewards handed to you; the game needs to have some stuff that isn't a cakewalk!" while the folks who view it as casual content are probably feeling like "You just want to make everything inaccessible to the average player so that it can be a status symbol for you, and no one else gets anything shiny or neat!"

When that's probably not actually the intention of either side of the discussion.