Players should be allowed to smoke in game. Show your support!

I’m all for more options. You have my support!

only if im allowed to be asthmatic and lose hp walking near smoking characters

I'm against it because it is and looks disgusting. We have enough "bad" real-life things in this game, we don't need this as well.

If you desperately want to take screenshots with your character doing things like that, then I'm sure there are 3rd party tools for that somewhere.

I am really happy that we haven't got it as a emote and I hope it will never come.

On the one hand, I think that'd be pretty cool for an emote. I could definitely see my character smoking to try and cope with some of the crap we have to go through at times. Besides, smoking is already poison for your body, so you don't have to worry about someone spiking your tobacco. Hopefully.

On the other hand, I can't decide whether I'd prefer to smoke a cigar or a pipe. I'd say "why not both?", but two emotes seems a bit much.

I laugh more than what I should have when I saw this post ^^ Let's continue the none sense :)

Ok smoking is bad. But hey! we kill people on a daily basis in this game. And I'm pretty sure that murder is more "murdery" than smoking. So if you want to prevent a smoking emote because it's bad, let's begin with removing all the murders we commit every 3 minutes.

So, either add smoking, or rework the entire game to remove all the murder committed by the WoL!

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

On the other hand, I can't decide whether I'd prefer to smoke a cigar or a pipe. I'd say "why not both?", but two emotes seems a bit much.

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What if they did it for gender men get cigars women get those pipes like Yotsuyu was using.

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Originally Posted by Limonia

If you desperately want to take screenshots with your character doing things like that, then I'm sure there are 3rd party tools for that somewhere.

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Where are these 3rd party tools?

I don't really have a true opinion on the smoking emote (actually, ngl, would be kinda gnarly)
But, with that being said and all...
This game already has things like...oh I dunno...war, murder, corrupt capitalism, rape, etc.

I think "dont add smoking to this game because it's bad" is silly imo.

Personal opinion. My 2 cents.

Honestly, I'd prefer a tea sipping emote over this. Smoking and drinking don't fit my character at all, but again I wouldn't care if this emote were actually implemented. I just wouldn't use it.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

What if they did it for gender men get cigars women get those pipes like Yotsuyu was using.

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I think that might just provoke another internet argument.

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Originally Posted by Edax

I think that might just provoke another internet argument.

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True lol we do got enough of that going on right now due to certain people who shall not be named

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Originally Posted by Edax

With NPCs being able to smoke, isn't it time to give the players that ability as well? With tobacco products already being in the game, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to expand on that a little. In the story, we live in an age of poverty, greed, violence... destruction. Indeed Shadowbringers is about genocide itself, so why should we fear a little virtual tobacco when the stakes are so high? This being a video game, it would purely be a safe aesthetic choice should the player wish to choose to partake in it.

As many players have put it, the true endgame is glam, and smoking can be an extension of that.

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I'd love an emote that allow the player character to pull out a pipe and blow bubbles (instead of smoke). I think it's a good compromise between smoking/anti-smoking emote crowds.

How about no support for this. I didn't even care for it when I saw an NPC doing it.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

only if im allowed to be asthmatic and lose hp walking near smoking characters

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Asthmatic WoL says, "TIME OUT! Excuse me Bad Guys, I am running out of air. Gotta get pumped." Then proceeds to whip out a Magitek Inhaler and down those sweet corticosteroids.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Asthmatic WoL says, "TIME OUT! Excuse me Bad Guys, I am running out of air. Gotta get pumped." Then proceeds to whip out a Magitek Inhaler and down those sweet corticosteroids.

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I mean isn't that basically what the out of breath emote is for? To rp that you're not really out of shape, but that you have something else responsible for why you need to catch your breath?

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

On the one hand, I think that'd be pretty cool for an emote. I could definitely see my character smoking to try and cope with some of the crap we have to go through at times.

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a) how is smoking "cool" in any way? I just pity the people willingly or unwillingly accepting dependencies and addictions.
b) how the hell does smoking (or drinking for that matter) help you cope with anything? How does putting another layer of problems and health issues on top of all the crap you experienced provide solace or refuge?

b) is not just about this situation, it irks me in nearly every movie too.
Whenever the main character has some emotional trouble, what does he do first? get some alcoholic beverage.
It's so idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Asthmatic WoL says, "TIME OUT! Excuse me Bad Guys, I am running out of air. Gotta get pumped." Then proceeds to whip out a Magitek Inhaler and down those sweet corticosteroids.

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I can see it now: a totally dumbfounded raidboss, grabbing a copy of the "Law of inclusion" in order to figure out whether it would be okay to hit a WoL with disabilities. :D

Reading certain stuff in this topic that comes from people defending the freedom to do whatever... until is something they don't personally approve is priceless. By the twelve, I love internet.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

a) how is smoking "cool" in any way? I just pity the people willingly or unwillingly accepting dependencies and addictions.
b) how the hell does smoking (or drinking for that matter) help you cope with anything? How does putting another layer of problems and health issues on top of all the crap you experienced provide solace or refuge?

b) is not just about this situation, it irks me in nearly every movie too.
Whenever the main character has some emotional trouble, what does he do first? get some alcoholic beverage.
It's so idiotic.



I can see it now: a totally dumbfounded raidboss, grabbing a copy of the "Law of inclusion" in order to figure out whether it would be okay to hit a WoL with disabilities. :D

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Kinda judgemental here.
You have no idea what's going on in a person's life.
For some folks, it is refuge, even if it "adds on" to other troubles.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

b) how the hell does smoking (or drinking for that matter) help you cope with anything? How does putting another layer of problems and health issues on top of all the crap you experienced provide solace or refuge?

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Some people on a hard day eat ice cream to cope. You could make the same judgement statements against ice cream but for most people, they want their creature comforts in times of stress. Making no attempt to counter high levels of stress can be extremely unhealthy in the short term.

Drinking, killing, actual genocide and implied rape exists in this game but a smoking emote is where y'all draw the line? I don't even smoke and I think that's silly lmao

Please don't add it. It's not aesthetically pleasing.

Just throwing my two cents in.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Some people on a hard day eat ice cream to cope. You could make the same judgement statements against ice cream but for most people, they want their creature comforts in times of stress. Making no attempt to counter high levels of stress can be extremely unhealthy in the short term.

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If they eat ice cream until an addiction sets in and they risk their health by obesity: yes the same criticism applies.

People need to realize that a hard day is what it is and stress is what it is. Instead of trying to "cope" with the stress, they need to work on mitigating it's appearance in the first place. That's the only sustainable way of tackling such a problem.
Your "creature comforts" won't help your body if you continuously overexert yourself both mentally and physically.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

If they eat ice cream until an addiction sets in and they risk their health by obesity: yes the same criticism applies.

People need to realize that a hard day is what it is and stress is what it is. Instead of trying to "cope" with the stress, they need to work on mitigating it's appearance in the first place. That's the only sustainable way of tackling such a problem.
Your "creature comforts" won't help your body if you continuously overexert yourself both mentally and physically.

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So like, you ever gone to work, and while they're flushing the sanitation tanks in your building, one of your stressed out co-workers goes to what's supposed to be a cordoned off bathroom and commit suicide? Cause that's pretty common in the military, including other things like guys throwing themselves into propeller blades that are at speed.

You go home early from that, cause command thinks you need the day off to de-stress. You find your wife fucking some rando in your bed. Guess you shoulda just done better at mitigating the appearance of your stressors, huh?

No one gets to control the stressors that are placed against them in life 100% That is an asinine presumption to work with. Humans need coping mechanisms of varying degrees for varying levels of stress.

The stress placed on the body by nicotine addiction or psychological dependency on alcohol and other similar drugs is incredibly bearable, particularly because they take your mind off your troubles. Yes, this can be problematic and ruin lives, but life can and will ruin itself with or without these comforts.

It's easy to look down on someone who lives with dependency on such things, but until you know exactly what they're dealing with, you really shouldn't judge. No one handles pain or stress the same way, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

If they eat ice cream until an addiction sets in and they risk their health by obesity: yes the same criticism applies.

People need to realize that a hard day is what it is and stress is what it is. Instead of trying to "cope" with the stress, they need to work on mitigating it's appearance in the first place. That's the only sustainable way of tackling such a problem.
Your "creature comforts" won't help your body if you continuously overexert yourself both mentally and physically.

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Unfortunately we don't live in a Utopia where we all get to control our sources of stress.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

If they eat ice cream until an addiction sets in and they risk their health by obesity: yes the same criticism applies.

People need to realize that a hard day is what it is and stress is what it is. Instead of trying to "cope" with the stress, they need to work on mitigating it's appearance in the first place. That's the only sustainable way of tackling such a problem.
Your "creature comforts" won't help your body if you continuously overexert yourself both mentally and physically.

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This is a little insulting.

You sound like one of those people that probably tell depressed folks to just "smile more and stop being depressed".

Welp, I 'depend' on antidepressants for depression and chronic anxiety, and pot for pain. Am I someone you think "needs help"?

Cigarettes help folks mood as well for obvious reasons.

We get it, you dont like cigarettes and look down upon it, but to insult and practically belittle folks for "falling into these addictions" is a little...uh....well...

I would like this as a emote. Especially since FF14 has a heavy focus on emotes.
I added a mod specifically for this in Fallout 4, it would be great for screenshots,

https://i.ibb.co/2dv48TC/Image6.png

I'd personally LOVE a stem pipe emote/pose like Yotsuyu's, all the Karens' judgmental opinions be darned.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

The stress placed on the body by nicotine addiction or psychological dependency on alcohol and other similar drugs is incredibly bearable, particularly because they take your mind off your troubles. Yes, this can be problematic and ruin lives, but life can and will ruin itself with or without these comforts.

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As s/o who grew up in a household with a drunken and violent father: yeah right. Keep downplaying the dangers of alcoholism.

There are other ways of coping with stress that do not involve such negative side effects. Sadly, drinking/ingesting toxins instead of dealing with what you experienced has become socially acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Welp, I 'depend' on antidepressants for depression and chronic anxiety, and pot for pain. Am I someone you think "needs help"?

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You obviously need help or medical personnel would not prescribe medication.... kind of self explanatory.

Sometimes that help comes via therapy, sometimes via medication, often a combination of both administered by professionals.
That is not the same thing as grabbing a glas of Whisky for every problem you encounter and "self medicating" in an uncontrolled manner.

There is also a difference between occasional use and becoming dependent on said behavior. Also, not everyone is predisposed to become addicted to things like alcohol or smoking. We know that some ethnic groups due to their genetics have trouble with stuff like alcohol and smoking.

Not everyone becomes addicted to these things and knows their limits.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

There are other ways of coping with stress that do not involve such negative side effects. Sadly, drinking/ingesting toxins instead of dealing with what you experienced has become socially acceptable.

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People turning to consuming alcohol and other types of toxins is often indicative of other problems. It's very easy to say people should seek other ways to cope but for some people their choices are slim at best. Therapy can be super expensive and even if you can access it you could find yourself on a very long waiting list. If you're a minor it can be impossible to seek medical help without your parents being involved and if they're part of the problems you're experiencing...well yea, don't think I need to explain the difficulties with that.

Sure consuming certain things can be expensive too but the fact is therapy can be so expensive that it's more affordable to seek a destructive coping mechanism. It's also more immediate than a waiting list that can last for months or even years.

Anyway any coping mechanism that turns into addiction can have negative side effects. Even gaming. Anything done to excess has negative side effects. You don't need to ingest something to seek a destructive coping mechanism.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Anyway any coping mechanism that turns into addiction can have negative side effects. Even gaming. Anything done to excess has negative side effects. You don't need to ingest something to seek a destructive coping mechanism.

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Very true, which is why it is important that you recognize that you are not using [item] recreationally anymore but that it has become a coping mechanism.
Once you know that, you know to actually address the underlying problem instead of trying to hide from it.

I know it's tough, I know it sucks. In the long run, the hard choice is the better one.

Though this is not psychological debate. The actual topic was about an emote and personally, I am against anything (movie, advertisement, game etc) that depicts smoking or drinking as "cool" or "solution to help with a problem" etc. It sets a bad precedent in peoples minds.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Like, I shit you not SE already doesn't care.

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Yep, you're right on that one. Only reason our char's can't do it liberally is probably tied to the rating stuff as other people said.

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We're talking about smoking (however with you bringing that up) just because someone picks up a bottle of whiskey to drink doesn't mean their an alcoholic lol.

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My initial response was to a person that depicted smoking as a coping mechanism. That entails regular use.
Use Alcohol in a regular fashion and you will become an alcoholic. It happens way faster than most people are willing to admit.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Okay? Still off topic by bringing up alcoholism; smoking coping doesn't = alcohol coping.

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Both are toxic substances that harm your health and the health of people around you. I do not see the distinction.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

As s/o who grew up in a household with a drunken and violent father: yeah right. Keep downplaying the dangers of alcoholism.

There are other ways of coping with stress that do not involve such negative side effects. Sadly, drinking/ingesting toxins instead of dealing with what you experienced has become socially acceptable.


You obviously need help or medical personnel would not prescribe medication.... kind of self explanatory.

Sometimes that help comes via therapy, sometimes via medication, often a combination of both administered by professionals.
That is not the same thing as grabbing a glas of Whisky for every problem you encounter and "self medicating" in an uncontrolled manner.

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wait, when did we start talking about alcoholism? We're talking about smoking (however with you bringing that up) just because someone picks up a bottle of whiskey to drink doesn't mean their an alcoholic lol. BUT, I mean, I believe everyone is in agreement that anyone that is an alcoholic needs help......I think you're sort of getting the wrong idea of this whole thread entirely. Just because we're asking for a smoke emote, doesn't mean we're all raging smokers/alcoholic, or whatever you're thinking here.

I don't smoke cigarettes and I think it's gross, but I'm not going to sit here and belittle/criticize folks that do. I smoke the devil's lettuce, you know, but that's about it. Still not judging folks. It's easy to stay out of others' business; but asking for a casual smoking emote (if we're even being serious here, I really don't care at all tbh, but it WOULD be a nice casual emote to have when going afk). Like, have you not noticed how smoking is already in this game? Tsukuyomi smokes while you're fighting her for her kimono. My FC chambers have bottles of spirits everywhere and an ashtray with a lit cigarette on my bar stand. It's...already in the game. Like, I shit you not SE already doesn't care.

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My initial response was to a person that depicted smoking as a coping mechanism. That entails regular use.
Use Alcohol in a regular fashion and you will become an alcoholic. It happens way faster than most people are willing to admit.

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Okay? Still off topic by bringing up alcoholism; smoking coping doesn't = alcohol coping. There's differences in whatever method of coping you decide to use.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Though this is not psychological debate. The actual topic was about an emote and personally, I am against anything (movie, advertisement, game etc) that depicts smoking or drinking as "cool" or "solution to help with a problem" etc. It sets a bad precedent in peoples minds.

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Personally I don't view the addition of alcohol or smoking in games to be automatically presenting those things as cool. They're usually used for character building.

Depending on the alcohol someone drinks it can show what class of people they belong to. For example expensive alcohol can indicate wealth. Bootleg alcohol can indicate the person isn't entirely opposed to law breaking. Constantly drinking strong spirits can indicate the person has some personal issues. Same with smoking. Cigars are often very expensive. Pre-rolled cigarettes cost a lot more than those you roll yourself. A pipe can show a person is old fashioned or belongs to a high class in society depending on its style. Someone who smokes even in places where it's not appropriate can indicate the person cares little for social expectations or is even reckless.

Additionally there is nothing stopping a dev or character creator team from showing negative effects from vices like smoking or drinking. For more character building a person who smokes could have a nasty cough, or a person who drinks could be shown to get nausea if they do it too much. They can even show characters getting irritable if they don't get their fix. Just because said vices are in a game doesn't mean they are making it look glamorous or cool. It's all about how the presentation is done.

Look at Gerolt, an alcoholic blacksmith who is endlessly in debt. His drinking strongly suggests it is at least partially responsible for his finances. He is also frequently criticised for his drinking and it is said more than a few times he would be better at his work if he had control of it. Certainly the npcs that interact with him don't make his addiction appear cool or even acceptable behaviour.

Humans are flawed creatures and the best way to make characters interesting is to also make them flawed. Giving a character a vice like smoking or drinking is an effective way to do that.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Personally I don't view the addition of alcohol or smoking in games to be automatically presenting those things as cool. They're usually used for character building.

Depending on the alcohol someone drinks it can show what class of people they belong to. For example expensive alcohol can indicate wealth. Bootleg alcohol can indicate the person isn't entirely opposed to law breaking. Constantly drinking strong spirits can indicate the person has some personal issues. Same with smoking. Cigars are often very expensive. Pre-rolled cigarettes cost a lot more than those you roll yourself. A pipe can show a person is old fashioned or belongs to a high class in society depending on its style. Someone who smokes even in places where it's not appropriate can indicate the person cares little for social expectations or is even reckless.

Additionally there is nothing stopping a dev or character creator team from showing negative effects from vices like smoking or drinking. For more character building a person who smokes could have a nasty cough, or a person who drinks could be shown to get nausea if they do it too much. They can even show characters getting irritable if they don't get their fix. Just because said vices are in a game doesn't mean they are making it look glamorous or cool. It's all about how the presentation is done.

Look at Gerolt, an alcoholic blacksmith who is endlessly in debt. His drinking strongly suggests it is at least partially responsible for his finances. He is also frequently criticised for his drinking and it is said more than a few times he would be better at his work if he had control of it. Certainly the npcs that interact with him don't make his addiction appear cool or even acceptable behaviour.

Humans are flawed creatures and the best way to make characters interesting is to also make them flawed. Giving a character a vice like smoking or drinking is an effective way to do that.

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You're now making me really want this just for character aesthetic and development for Cin. *cry*

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Look at Gerolt, an alcoholic blacksmith who is endlessly in debt. His drinking strongly suggests it is at least partially responsible for his finances. He is also frequently criticised for his drinking and it is said more than a few times he would be better at his work if he had control of it. Certainly the npcs that interact with him don't make his addiction appear cool or even acceptable behaviour.

Humans are flawed creatures and the best way to make characters interesting is to also make them flawed. Giving a character a vice like smoking or drinking is an effective way to do that.

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Gerolt isn't even the only drunk the WoL comes across the guy in charge of the inn right outside of Quarymill has you go throw buckets of water at some drunks. The blacksmiths guildmaster only stops drinking because of your skills as a smith.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Games like Final Fantasy are there to encourage people to be the best version of themselves, not the worst version.
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Not once was I ever given that impression in a Final Fantasy game. In fact, I felt downright villainous playing as Marche in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance debunking everyone's happiness.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

You could just go and play a game where smoking would be fitting. You don't want to. What you want is to find something beautiful and try to pervert it in every way possible so that you would neutralize the positive messages it is sending to you, so that you wouldn't feel bad about yourself. Games like Final Fantasy are there to encourage people to be the best version of themselves, not the worst version.

Smoking is disgusting, very much like drugs (marijuana included) it makes severe negative impact on one's health. So does alcohol, though it's not as damaging. Sugar can have negative impact, as well but again, it's not as damaging.

If you desperately want a game that makes you feel good about doing something immoral or degrading, there's plenty of them. Final Fantasy is not what you're looking for and never will be.

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Just because you think all these things are disgusting doesn't mean others do. Also smoking is not immoral or degrading. I was confused with how over dramatic you where and asked several people who hate smoking and not one of them agreed with that statement.

Calm down, maybe a cigarette now and then wouldn't make you so high strung.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

As s/o who grew up in a household with a drunken and violent father: yeah right. Keep downplaying the dangers of alcoholism.

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Sorry you had a shitty dad. But given how many people drink and aren't violent, abusive alcoholics... it's really not something that's hard to control for most people. Not saying I condone alcoholism or abuse, but there's no reason to set it up as a real life devil, just because there are shitty people who get dependent. There are plenty of people who are shitty, violent abusers who are teetotalers.

My own father was fairly violent and angry when I was growing up. He beat my face black and blue once when I was about 15, for not remembering how to address an envelope. We had a fist fight two years ago, because I was home, and he got impatient because I wouldn't help him with some yard work at 3pm instead of 4pm. None of this was brought on by alcohol. He was just a spoiled person, only child, later officer in the Army Special Forces, very used to getting his way, very used to altering deals to benefit him etc.

Also, you're going on about long term solutions to stop stressors. Those are hard and more importantly take a lot of time. Smoking and alcohol consumption are immediate by comparison, and there are certain stressors in life that no amount of therapy will make right as well. I'm all for people taking the edge off of life, even if it's temporary, so they can make it through another day to perhaps get the help they need. I'd rather that, a thousand times over, than find another friend dead cause they broke down completely.

But more on topic, emotes don't glorify anything. They're a mode of expression, and we should be free to express whatever we want. And like I said before in this thread, there's already the /toast emote, where we down an entire pint of booze. If we can have an emote for alcohol consumption, we can have one for smoking. I'd prefer it be with old timey pipes and to feature some smoke rings like Gandalf in LOTR honestly, but I wouldn't be adverse to cigars or what have you either.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

You could just go and play a game where smoking would be fitting. You don't want to. What you want is to find something beautiful and try to pervert it in every way possible so that you would neutralize the positive messages it is sending to you, so that you wouldn't feel bad about yourself. Games like Final Fantasy are there to encourage people to be the best version of themselves, not the worst version.

Smoking is disgusting, very much like drugs (marijuana included) it makes severe negative impact on one's health. So does alcohol, though it's not as damaging. Sugar can have negative impact, as well but again, it's not as damaging.

If you desperately want a game that makes you feel good about doing something immoral or degrading, there's plenty of them. Final Fantasy is not what you're looking for and never will be.

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Observably false, starting in Final Fantasy II. Final Fantasy II involves three characters who join a rebel force to overthrow the Empire of Palamecia that has conquered their home nation. These three characters are after revenge for the deaths of their parents. There is a fourth character who is basically an anti-hero, and he spends most of the game on the Empire's side, seeking to take the throne and rule the world, rather than avenge his parents.

Final Fantasy VII, you take on the role of a mercenary working for Eco-Terrorists and bomb the magical equivalent of a geothermal power plant, killing hundreds of innocents right at the beginning of the game. Again, the desire to stop the villain is more personal than heroic. The lofty heights of world saving are merely a by-product of another personal revenge story, and this time innocents are caught in the crossfire.

These are just two examples. There are many others. There are also individual examples in many of the games where more graphic or perverse things are in the game. References to pornography, strip clubs, prostitution, alcohol, smoking, and many other vices all make the list. What's more is that major characters in each game are shown participating in said vices.

Final Fantasy has, on the other hand, always encouraged you to have fun and be adventurous.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

You could just go and play a game where smoking would be fitting. You don't want to. What you want is to find something beautiful and try to pervert it in every way possible so that you would neutralize the positive messages it is sending to you, so that you wouldn't feel bad about yourself. Games like Final Fantasy are there to encourage people to be the best version of themselves, not the worst version.

Smoking is disgusting, very much like drugs (marijuana included) it makes severe negative impact on one's health. So does alcohol, though it's not as damaging. Sugar can have negative impact, as well but again, it's not as damaging.

If you desperately want a game that makes you feel good about doing something immoral or degrading, there's plenty of them. Final Fantasy is not what you're looking for and never will be.

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I LOL'd so hard.