Remove timer SE

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Originally Posted by Juicymama

I hope Op realizes people camp plot in terms of minutes and the timer helps to extend the timer longer so more people have the chance to at least see an empty plot.

If the timer is removed, the only changes you are going to experience is instead of clicking on the placid for hours, you'd be clicking on the ward npc for hours. Both still requires you to spam.

Therefore timer or not, it really makes no difference lol It all comes down to rng.

Honestly the only option that works for new buyers is an auction system.

Update: come to think of it, spamming ward npc if the timer is removed is actually 100x worst. Before at least the timer gives you some idle time when it becomes available. Where as without the timer you will have to spam and check ward npc 24/7 haha


God bless mist plot 36 opened for relocation the day before patch 5.35 (assumed the previous owner transferred to a low pop server for a mansion) and I get to jack it with 0 require timer.

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This doesn't make any sense. You don't have to spam the ward NPC and never did. Checking it at the top of the hour is enough as that's when auto-demolished plots are relinquished.

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Originally Posted by Juicymama

I hope Op realizes people camp plot in terms of minutes and the timer helps to extend the timer longer so more people have the chance to at least see an empty plot.

If the timer is removed, the only changes you are going to experience is instead of clicking on the placid for hours, you'd be clicking on the ward npc for hours. Both still requires you to spam.

Therefore timer or not, it really makes no difference lol It all comes down to rng.

Honestly the only option that works for new buyers is an auction system.

Update: come to think of it, spamming ward npc if the timer is removed is actually 100x worst. Before at least the timer gives you some idle time when it becomes available. Where as without the timer you will have to spam and check ward npc 24/7 haha


God bless mist plot 36 opened for relocation the day before patch 5.35 (assumed the previous owner transferred to a low pop server for a mansion) and I get to jack it with 0 require timer.

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There was no rng timer before. I don't know why you say that.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

*wakes up at 5 am on an off work day and throws off blanket* "Oh boy, today's gonna be the day!" *logs onto ff14 and begins hunting through housing districts, one after another until a free small is spotted. Races to location, blood pumping hard until, with a sudden drop in bp, you see a small crowd camping a placard. Tries once to buy it (because who knows?) then finally starts prepping for a long day in front of the monitor doing nothing but repetitive clicking. "Junk food, check. Bathroom, good for now. Dog chucked outside, "She'll be fine..." and back to the computer.* *Several hours later and someone relocates to the camped plot* *Heartache, disperportioned fury, keyboard slapping, and the desire to try again warring with a fear of a second failure ensues* *To another player as everyone begins porting away, "Five hours wasted lol"* *Other player retorts with near audible sarcasm and disdain, "Just five hours? Weak. I've been here since midnight. You didnt even deserve that plot. Get recked."* *Logs off ff14 and onto WoW, "Maybe tomorrow will be the day after I get home from work. Yeah."*

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This nightmare should not be there at all and what makes me pissed is they let it happen. I lost hope and interest since they don't seem to care and don't try to find a better and more friendly solution for the players. It's weird to see some players agreeing with this rng system too. I'm just playing other games now because i rather have fun than having to click because housing is one of the reasons i love ffxiv and i can't get one and worse by torturing players.

And yeah i agree with you. This shows how cruel it is. It's a fact it is, no matter what people try to say to make it reasonable and fair. It is not. Period.

Timer to put it simply, is also a fair system to avoid the people like post #43 and gave people an equal chance.
The timer should stays and the only improvement it need is to limit the chances each player can click in 30 mins
This would avoid people delveloped a sense of “entitlement” like OP did as she thinks she deserved the plot because she camp it. (Not being negative, it is common and unavoidably people will develope this sense of entitlement through their contribution)

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Timer to put it simply, is also a fair system to avoid the people like post #43 and gave people an equal chance.

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What's wrong with buying a house for your friend?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Timer to put it simply, is also a fair system to avoid the people like post #43 and gave people an equal chance.
The timer should stays and the only improvement it need is to limit the chances each player can click in 30 mins
This would avoid people delveloped a sense of “entitlement” like OP did as she thinks she deserved the plot because she camp it. (Not being negative, it is common and unavoidably people will develope this sense of entitlement through their contribution)

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I disagree and it is not a fair system, no matter what people try to say it is.

It's funny the way people say it is a fair system. It reminds me of Donald Trump saying everything is fine, there is nothing. Lol

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Timer to put it simply, is also a fair system to avoid the people like post #43 and gave people an equal chance.
The timer should stays and the only improvement it need is to limit the chances each player can click in 30 mins
This would avoid people delveloped a sense of “entitlement” like OP did as she thinks she deserved the plot because she camp it. (Not being negative, it is common and unavoidably people will develope this sense of entitlement through their contribution)

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Btw... My post is about the rng timer and how bad it is to the players. Not that i didn't get a house.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

What's wrong with buying a house for your friend?

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I don't think he's saying buying a house for a friend is wrong. I think he's saying that the way it sounds like he was doing it is the reason why we have the timer. Buying a house from someone. Two people making a deal, with the buyer getting a house that never really hits the market. If that's what he's saying, then I agree. That's why we have the timer now.

As far as the new system compared to the old one, both have their issues. But for me it comes down to which one gives the most people a fair chance at a house.

Out of every 100 houses sold, which system allows more players to get a house fairly.

Under the current system everyone has the same chance, and all 100 houses would be legitimate/fair sales with everyone having the same chance, playing by the same rules. People may not like the rules, but they're the same for everyone.

Under the old system this was not the case. Two players would get together, set a price, one would relinquish and the other would buy. The house would never hit the market. So, while there were times when the current owner did things legitimately and just walked away from their house allowing someone else to see it and buy it. That was not the case for a large number of houses. So out of every 100 houses that were sold under the old system how many gave every player an equal chance? Half, maybe? That may be being generous depending on the server.

Supply is issue.

I am so tired of hearing all of the apologists for this insanity. We have all heard ad-nauseum what the rational for having the timer is. Regardless of how many reasons SE gives for this idea it is still a completely unnecessary and cruel mechanic. There is a very simple solution to this which satisfies all of the issues placed forward as reasons for using this timer. Create a lottery, plot goes up people come to plot select "purchase" and they are placed into a pool to be drawn at a time CLEARLY STATED on the prompt, when the drawing happens the player is sent an in-game message or flag and they have 5 minutes to respond with their payment. If 5 minutes passes another name is drawn. Simple and to the point. All of the appropriate checks can be made prior to being allowed into the pool.

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Originally Posted by PennyStormfire

I am so tired of hearing all of the apologists for this insanity. We have all heard ad-nauseum what the rational for having the timer is. Regardless of how many reasons SE gives for this idea it is still a completely unnecessary and cruel mechanic. There is a very simple solution to this which satisfies all of the issues placed forward as reasons for using this timer. Create a lottery, plot goes up people come to plot select "purchase" and they are placed into a pool to be drawn at a time CLEARLY STATED on the prompt, when the drawing happens the player is sent an in-game message or flag and they have 5 minutes to respond with their payment. If 5 minutes passes another name is drawn. Simple and to the point. All of the appropriate checks can be made prior to being allowed into the pool.

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And that would probably create many opportunities for people to get harassed after winning it, as I don't imagine that'd go well for the winner after getting the house... especially if you have a legitimate FC vying for the property.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

And that would probably create many opportunities for people to get harassed after winning it, as I don't imagine that'd go well for the winner after getting the house... especially if you have a legitimate FC vying for the property.

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How would anyone know who won? Unless someone announces publicly that they won. In that case any response they received would be considered "solicited". The current system allows for exactly the same outcomes. The only difference is that there isn't a group of people standing around the placard.

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Originally Posted by PennyStormfire

I am so tired of hearing all of the apologists for this insanity. We have all heard ad-nauseum what the rational for having the timer is. Regardless of how many reasons SE gives for this idea it is still a completely unnecessary and cruel mechanic. There is a very simple solution to this which satisfies all of the issues placed forward as reasons for using this timer. Create a lottery, plot goes up people come to plot select "purchase" and they are placed into a pool to be drawn at a time CLEARLY STATED on the prompt, when the drawing happens the player is sent an in-game message or flag and they have 5 minutes to respond with their payment. If 5 minutes passes another name is drawn. Simple and to the point. All of the appropriate checks can be made prior to being allowed into the pool.

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I can just see people standing around waiting for a winner to be announced only to find out that someone has relocated to the plot and that the time of the lottery at the plot that opened up is TBD.

Like I said in my other post. Supply is the issue. NO system is going to be satisfactory to the people who don't end up with a house.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

I can just see people standing around waiting for a winner to be announced only to find out that someone has relocated to the plot and that the time of the lottery at the plot that opened up is TBD.

Like I said in my other post. Supply is the issue. NO system is going to be satisfactory to the people who don't end up with a house.

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One of the most insidious aspects of this is being forced to stand around the placard and click for hours on end. There is no current provision to stop someone from relocating now, regardless of how many people are there or for how long. Another simple solution is to send a flag stating the plot is no longer available.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

As far as the new system compared to the old one, both have their issues. But for me it comes down to which one gives the most people a fair chance at a house.

Out of every 100 houses sold, which system allows more players to get a house fairly.

Under the current system everyone has the same chance, and all 100 houses would be legitimate/fair sales with everyone having the same chance, playing by the same rules. People may not like the rules, but they're the same for everyone.

Under the old system this was not the case. Two players would get together, set a price, one would relinquish and the other would buy. The house would never hit the market. So, while there were times when the current owner did things legitimately and just walked away from their house allowing someone else to see it and buy it. That was not the case for a large number of houses. So out of every 100 houses that were sold under the old system how many gave every player an equal chance? Half, maybe? That may be being generous depending on the server.

Supply is issue.

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Tell me, did they added a rng timer for all the new wards added huh? Did everyone have to wait hours to get a house? No they bought it and didn't have to wait. Don't tell me it is fair. Before it was much better, you didn't have to wait. I don't care about house selling, what SE is doing is inhuman and cruel and anyone agreeing either have a house already or are masochist.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

I can just see people standing around waiting for a winner to be announced only to find out that someone has relocated to the plot and that the time of the lottery at the plot that opened up is TBD.

Like I said in my other post. Supply is the issue. NO system is going to be satisfactory to the people who don't end up with a house.

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The issue here is using a rng system thst is inhuman and cruel and send a really bad message. If they do this now, they might do it for other things. The priority now is not letting people have to stand there for 24 hours. It's not normal and not human to do that. Are people that selfish and don't care about others? Just because people have a house already does not give them the right to say it is right.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

Tell me, did they added a rng timer for all the new wards added huh? Did everyone have to wait hours to get a house? No they bought it and didn't have to wait. Don't tell me it is fair. Before it was much better, you didn't have to wait. I don't care about house selling, what SE is doing is inhuman and cruel and anyone agreeing either have a house already or are masochist.

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You're just proving my point. Supply is the issue. You add more supply more people get houses. If they had enough houses for everyone we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But that's not what we're talking about here. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're taking about what system should be used when someone who owns a house relinquishes it. No one owned the houses that were added with the new wards so obviously no circumventing the normal buying process with a player to player deal was possible. We're talking about situations when all the added houses have been purchased and someone gives their house up. How do you give the most people a chance at the house. That's what we're talking about.

No system is going to be fair to people who cannot get a house using it, that's just the long and short of it. Changing it will just bring new problems and complaints. You're just spinning your wheels will avoiding the actual issue, which is supply.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

You're just proving my point. Supply is the issue. You add more supply more people get houses. If they had enough houses for everyone we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But that's not what we're talking about here. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're taking about what system should be used when someone who owns a house relinquishes it. No one owned the houses that were added with the new wards so obviously no circumventing the normal buying process with a player to player deal was possible. We're talking about situations when all the added houses have been purchased and someone gives their house up. How do you give the most people a chance at the house. That's what we're talking about.

No system is going to be fair to people who cannot get a house using it, that's just the long and short of it. Changing it will just bring new problems and complaints. You're just spinning your wheels will avoiding the actual issue, which is supply.

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The top issue is about the rng timer is. 24 hours standing is the real issue.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

The top issue is about the rng timer is. 24 hours standing is the real issue.

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How do you not realise that there would be no need for demolition and no need for placard timers if the game had enough or unlimited houses?

Seriously this thing that is making you tear your hair out with frustration exists because of a lack of houses. Literally every issue with acquisition and ownership can be traced back to a lack of houses. Everything else is just a symptom of that one problem.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

You're just proving my point. Supply is the issue. You add more supply more people get houses. If they had enough houses for everyone we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But that's not what we're talking about here. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're taking about what system should be used when someone who owns a house relinquishes it. No one owned the houses that were added with the new wards so obviously no circumventing the normal buying process with a player to player deal was possible. We're talking about situations when all the added houses have been purchased and someone gives their house up. How do you give the most people a chance at the house. That's what we're talking about.

No system is going to be fair to people who cannot get a house using it, that's just the long and short of it. Changing it will just bring new problems and complaints. You're just spinning your wheels will avoiding the actual issue, which is supply.

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The real issue is players having stand and click for 24 hours. Come on, it's not human, it's cruel. They can reduce the timer or anything to make it more human. Unless you think it's okay to torture others.

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Originally Posted by PennyStormfire

How would anyone know who won? Unless someone announces publicly that they won. In that case any response they received would be considered "solicited". The current system allows for exactly the same outcomes. The only difference is that there isn't a group of people standing around the placard.

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You can see the resident of the house right on the placard.....

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

The real issue is players having stand and click for 24 hours. Come on, it's not human, it's cruel. They can reduce the timer or anything to make it more human. Unless you think it's okay to torture others.

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Which is (as we've been telling you) a function of the extreme shortage of housing availability... Changing the timers isn't going to do much of anything on that point tbh. Increasing the number of wards AND adding instanced housing, on the other hand, will.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

How do you not realise that there would be no need for demolition and no need for placard timers if the game had enough or unlimited houses?

Seriously this thing that is making you tear your hair out with frustration exists because of a lack of houses. Literally every issue with acquisition and ownership can be traced back to a lack of houses. Everything else is just a symptom of that one problem.

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Since they don't seem to able to add unlimited houses, it's not okay to let players have to stand and click for 24 hours too. Why people can't see that?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

You can see the resident of the house right on the placard.....



Which is (as we've been telling you) a function of the extreme shortage of housing availability... Changing the timers isn't going to do much of anything on that point tbh. Increasing the number of wards AND adding instanced housing, on the other hand, will.

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I want instanced housing too. But seriously i don't understand the way you think. Did you have to stand and click for 24 hours on multiple houses? Do you know what horrible it is? Are people that self centered and can't think about how people will feel after trying to get a house?

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

Since they don't seem to able to add unlimited houses, it's not okay to let players have to stand and click for 24 hours too. Why people can't see that?

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I can see that just fine, I even said in another post (honestly forget if it's this thread or another similar one) that I don't understand why the timer can last up to a full day. I think the maximum should be four hours. To me that appears long enough to catch attention from multiple players so it would still prevent house flipping, while not having a duration that is far longer than is healthy for the well-being of the players. Standing around for four hours is still very long but I think most would agree it's far more reasonable than potentially up to a full day.

And most people can see the problem you're highlighting, but the issue is if SE only fix that particular issue and nothing else at best it would make things slightly better. Which is absolutely not enough to fix the actual massive issue that is causing all these issues with acquisition and ownership, which is the lack of houses.

So even if SE reduce the timer to a more reasonable amount, you get your house without having to tire yourself out with spam clicking, and you stop posting here with your frustrations...another player will come along with their own frustrations to replace yours. Why? Because fixing that one issue you're highlighting doesn't actually increase the amount of houses the game has. There would still be just as many homeless players even if the placard timer was completely removed.

And SE could add unlimited housing. The money is there. But having the money and wanting to spend it on that is not the same thing...and on top of this too many players don't look at the big picture and just keep asking for bandaid fixes or hope it will get fixed without their input...so here we are. Again. And will always be as long as housing is limited.

EDIT: I really wonder why you are responding to the same posts by me twice but with different responses...are you hitting the character limit? You can bypass that by editing your post.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

How do you not realise that there would be no need for demolition and no need for placard timers if the game had enough or unlimited houses?

Seriously this thing that is making you tear your hair out with frustration exists because of a lack of houses. Literally every issue with acquisition and ownership can be traced back to a lack of houses. Everything else is just a symptom of that one problem.

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It exist because someone thought it was a good idea to make players stand click for 24 hours and not think of another friendly way. No i don't realize and don't understand how people agree to make the players go through it. Humans are selfish and when it doesn't happen to them, everything is fine. I gave up on housing but others keep trying at the risk of their health, time and sanity. It's not right to be there at all.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I want instanced housing too. But seriously i don't understand the way you think. Did you have to stand and click for 24 hours on multiple houses? Do you know what horrible it is? Are people that self centered and can't think about how people will feel after trying to get a house?

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In case you haven't noticed... no one is saying that it is a good thing... but we're also pointing out that those timers exist for a reason. All you're suggesting is a short sighted fix that's going to introduce a bunch of even worse problems back into the game that no one wants to see again.

SE should change it to instanced housing but after years of more wards, they don't seem to understand. And now we have the timer system which add an even worse issue than lack of housing.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

In case you haven't noticed... no one is saying that it is a good thing... but we're also pointing out that those timers exist for a reason. All you're suggesting is a short sighted fix that's going to introduce a bunch of even worse problems back into the game that no one wants to see again.

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Which problems you're talking about? I can't see worse than a player having to stand and click for 24 hours. But tell me.

At this point, I don’t see any reason to continue this discussion
OP just don’t get it.
If you failed to obtain the plot at each major plot release, this timer is required to kill off private trade that often involves RMT
If there is no timer, you won’t even see an open plot to click
OP just don’t get it because it is not reasoning he/she is looking for
OP is here to rant

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

At this point, I don’t see any reason to continue this discussion
OP just don’t get it.
If you failed to obtain the plot at each major plot release, this timer is required to kill off private trade that often involves RMT
If there is no timer, you won’t even see an open plot to click
OP just don’t get it because it is not reasoning he/she is looking for
OP is here to rant

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I'm sorry but health of players is more important to me than this. We are humans, not robots.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I'm sorry but health of players is more important to me than this. We are humans, not robots.

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The health of players is more important than targeting the actual issue that is causing the thing you think is bad for health?

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

SE should just be sued to be honest. I never seen a system more punishing.

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Starting to wonder if you're a troll. Your inability to see your problem is a symptom along with your constant repetition about health and now this ludicrous statement.

SE can't be sued for this because they are not forcing you to camp anything. Feeling like you need to camp to get a house and SE actually forcing you to physically camp are not the same thing at all. Your account isn't being held hostage, SE aren't taking your money without your consent, you aren't being put into an unhealthy situation without given the choice to leave.

The system sucks but the bad things about it are not anything that would hold any merit in court. But...you're welcome to try if you think you got a case :P

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I'm sorry but health of players is more important to me than this. We are humans, not robots.

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Healthy? I am up to that too
Restriction each players only able to click once per hour fir example
There are many ways but your idea of remove the timer

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

SE should just be sued to be honest. I never seen a system more punishing.

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Okay Karen.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The health of players is more important than targeting the actual issue that is causing the thing you think is bad for health?



Starting to wonder if you're a troll. Your inability to see your problem is a symptom along with your constant repetition about health and now this ludicrous statement.

SE can't be sued for this because they are not forcing you to camp anything. Feeling like you need to camp to get a house and SE actually forcing you to physically camp are not the same thing at all. Your account isn't being held hostage, SE aren't taking your money without your consent, you aren't being put into an unhealthy situation without given the choice to leave.

The system sucks but the bad things about it are not anything that would hold any merit in court. But...you're welcome to try if you think you got a case :P

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Nah, i'm not a troll but i think people think that i'm mad because i can't get a house but it's not the reason i created this thread. People will keep trying anyway, even if it hurts them. Lack of sleep, hurt their hands and wrists and more bad things for them. Lol SE is not forcing anyone but they tell us that if you really want a house, you gotta suffer for it. It's not right.

I want they find another solution than using a timer. Understand?

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Okay Karen.

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I don't know who this karen is.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I want they find another solution than using a timer. Understand?

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I understand completely, I have repeatedly said that I do and went into detail about it but you have decided that I don't because I disagree that changing anything about placards is a solution that will result in a real fix. You want a shortsighted solution, I want a solution that actually targets the actual issue causing your frustration and the frustrations of others. I have tried to make you look past the symptom of a far larger problem but you refuse to see it either by being blinded by rage or you're just having fun winding people up.

Either way this thread has become a waste of my time. Anything more I have to say to you would be just repetition. Enjoy trying to sue SE over this.

Anyway i give up. I don't want a house anymore and no one want to say to SE that what they are doing is wrong. I want they make it instanced housing but they won't do it and people will have to keep clicking. Such a bad housing experience.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

SE should just be sued to be honest. I never seen a system more punishing.

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Suing SE for in game housing?? Were you being serious or were you trolling? If you were really being serious then I worry for you. That's so ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I'm sorry but health of players is more important to me than this. We are humans, not robots.

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Your obsession with getting a house in a game is a good indication of how unhealthy you already are.

No one is forced to stand for 24 hours camping a placard.

First, I doubt anyone is actually standing. They're going to be sitting in a chair in front of their PC or console watching Netlix or something else on another monitor or TV. Most are intelligent enough to take breaks to eat, go to the bathroom, etc. even if you aren't.

Second, the timer usually expires well before 24 hours has passed since the plot was relinquished/demolished.

Third, you are not chained to that spot. You're free to leave and do other things then go back later to check to see if it's still available then try your luck again for a few more minutes before going off to do something else again. It is your choice to stay instead of leave. Luck can be on your side with the timer just about to end after you come back as much as it can be against you and you lose a house you were camping for 15 hours for someone who walked up 10 minutes earlier (and who now owns a house even though they didn't camp like you did).

It is your obsession tying you down. Learn to break free of it and engage in behaviors that are healthy. You are your own worst enemy and that is why you are unhealthy.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

Anyway i give up. I don't want a house anymore and no one want to say to SE that what they are doing is wrong. I want they make it instanced housing but they won't do it and people will have to keep clicking. Such a bad housing experience.

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People agree it's a poor system. It's not an unfair one or an unhealthy one unlike what you want to claim in your obsession.

Now that you no longer want a house, don't you feel better? You've freed yourself of an unhealthy obsessions that you imposed on yourself.

We already have instanced housing that players like you ignore. It's called apartments. You can do quite a bit with them if you give them an honest try. Maybe get one and see for yourself?