Who is doing Eureka though? New players, or those returning after months or even year long absences. Meanwhile, the players complaining are those who don't want to take six month long breaks just to have something to do. Case in point, I'll be tackling Bozja the moment it releases. I'll have long finished it before 6.0. The content released per patch should be able to sustain nearly the length of said patch with some reasonability. Obviously, the dev team isn't going to cater towards players who spent 6-10 hours a day playing. But when you can finish nearly everything in a week. Longevity is a problem.Quote:
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As for Ocean Fishing. Your methodology is flawed. Content with less staying power should be less prioritized because it won't engage the player long enough. Since people typically like building multiple relics, it makes far more sense to release grindy options like that early so their life cycle stretches beyond the current patch. Imagine if Bozja released in 5.1 instead of Blue Mage and/or Ocean Fishing. We'd all have something to keep us occupied right now.
Naturally, but for many people those are simply "chores" or things that simply don't last. I enjoyed Copied Factory but there's only so many times I care to run the same easy raid before I'm just bored. Dungeons are even worse. I never touch 50/60/70. Why? Because the rewards are awful and I've ran every dungeon hundreds of times. It just isn't that fun spamming the same 1-2 AoE combo. And oh boy is it boring, especially as a healer, if a tank small pulls. You literally don't heal. I, too, play other games. I shouldn't feel like I need to play several other games because XIV just doesn't have enough to keep me occupied.Quote:
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bozja release confirmed for october 13th
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10-03-2020, 08:29 AMForteNightshade
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10-03-2020, 08:51 AMCallinonOh god no. Relying on hunts to complete a relic would be the worst.Quote:
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10-03-2020, 09:27 AMDrWho2010that sounds like a you problem. XIV isn't meant to be lived in.Quote:
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10-03-2020, 09:35 AMMomomiMomiYet if enough people would actually unsub when they feel there isn't enough to keep them occupied, I bet that would change pretty fast.Quote:
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But many stay subbed, so SE has no need to change. -
10-03-2020, 10:11 AMForteNightshadeI do love these extreme arguments. Nowhere did I imply I wanted to "live in" FFXIV. In fact, I said precisely the opposite. But when the content simply doesn't last beyond a week outside Ultimate. What else are you doing? 5.1 boiled down to running Copied Factory a bizillon times if you weren't interested in Blue Mage or Ultimate. The irony is of the two, Blue Mage is the only thing that took a lot of resources as the dev team has openly said Ultimate is mostly recycled content.Quote:
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10-03-2020, 10:50 AMlinayarWell, the thing is that new people are always coming in at different stages of the patch. With daily and weekly limits, you can take several weeks to complete a particular goal, even if you don't take the entire week each week to work on that goal. And since a patch comes in at roughly every 3.5 months, I think they've made the content reasonably lengthy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
If a content doesn't have staying power within the expansion it's released, it would have less of a chance if it's done at the end of an expansion when people are ready to move on to the next expansion's content. Releasing it early gives it as much chance as it can since you shouldn't put effort into a content just accepting it doesn't have staying power. Also, as said previously, if Bozja was released in 5.1, and they don't have enough content planned, then we might be done by 5.3 and won't have it for 5.4 and 5.5, so I think it's the same either way.Quote:
As for Ocean Fishing. Your methodology is flawed. Content with less staying power should be less prioritized because it won't engage the player long enough. Since people typically like building multiple relics, it makes far more sense to release grindy options like that early so their life cycle stretches beyond the current patch. Imagine if Bozja released in 5.1 instead of Blue Mage and/or Ocean Fishing. We'd all have something to keep us occupied right now.
A chore to me is something that is necessary to be done, so if I'm doing it as part of a grind, then it might feel like a chore to me. But if I finished my main weeklies on Tuesday, then during the rest of the week, I'm just playing for fun, not because I have to, so it's not a chore to me.Quote:
Naturally, but for many people those are simply "chores" or things that simply don't last. I enjoyed Copied Factory but there's only so many times I care to run the same easy raid before I'm just bored. Dungeons are even worse. I never touch 50/60/70. Why? Because the rewards are awful and I've ran every dungeon hundreds of times. It just isn't that fun spamming the same 1-2 AoE combo. And oh boy is it boring, especially as a healer, if a tank small pulls. You literally don't heal. I, too, play other games. I shouldn't feel like I need to play several other games because XIV just doesn't have enough to keep me occupied.
Of course, fun is subjective, so I don't doubt that you may feel bored, but Eureka also bored me even when it gave me something to do and it was a chore as I had to do the grind if I want to finish the story/relic/etc. Hopefully Bozja would be more fun.
Finally, I don't think you should feel the need to play other games, but again, the fact of the matter is, people play at different times in the week and come in at different times during the patch. And even with all the catchups that are already in the game, it still takes some time to complete, and there is a limit to how much catchups there should be or all the work people do doing the content at release would be invalidated.
Specifically B rank type hunts where "missing out" won't be too much of a problem as you'll just wait for it to respawn. And the other option is more like guildleve where you're in even more control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callinon
Just to remark on this point, I think that's an undeniable metric that we can use. Regardless of what Yoshida said, I'm sure that SE wouldn't like it if too many people unsubscribe for parts of the expansion. So if there is enough reason for people to stay subscribed, then I guess they really don't have a reason to change their content structure. As a business, they will have to respond to consumer behaviors, so it is what it is. I guess I'm just lucky FFXIV gives me enough to do that I never have to feel like I am better off unsubscribing.Quote:
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10-03-2020, 10:51 AMDrWho2010
why should XIV provide content to make people stay on it in excess? they can't produce enough to keep people *that* occupied. they see the need for work/life/play balance. some people here do not. they want it to be play 100% of the time. It's just not possible.
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10-03-2020, 02:48 PMKageTokage
I'm just doing my daily chores then playing something else in the meantime.
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10-03-2020, 02:57 PMCallinonQuote:
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Yoshi P has repeatedly stated that he does not intend XIV to be a second job. It's intended that if you run out of things you find enjoyable in the game that you drop your subscription for a while. He's fine with that. It won't hurt his feelings if you unsub for a few months until something comes around that interests you again.Quote:
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10-03-2020, 05:45 PMVyrerusNo, we wouldn't. We'd be done with the current end stage, if there were any more, and many would still be complaining that there was nothing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
If you gobble down the content ASAP all of the time, then you know that it's always going to end fast. The better you get at the game, and the more time you have to dedicate to it per day means that you're always going to run out of content faster than they can create it.
Even if it were grinding content, conceptually the content is over after you complete the grind once. It's the same as repeating a dungeon or trial, only it's a larger time sink.
If you want to play FFXIV over other things, then play FFXIV. Though they add new things, it's the same core game, as it has been since release.
What I do when this game hits a lull, if I really want to play it more than anything else, is start a new character entirely. I re-level jobs I haven't touched much. I re-examine the current state of damage potencies vs. old ones. As of now, I'm 3/4ths through my 8th full playthrough of the game(no CS skipping). Beyond that I go back and see if I can solo old dungeons, trials, or raids. Currently I'm semi-obsessed with trying to solo The Burn on Samurai, but I dropped Savage this tier to take a long break from raiding, and I don't have it geared. At i480 back in March, I could get the second boss to about 30% before succumbing to lack of healing methods.
It's silly to expect this game to be able to be capable of being your only pastime while never running out of content while you unabashedly hurry up to wait. If you want it to be that, it can be, but you're going to have to make your own fun with it. Find more ways to have fun. Your mind is an infinite microcosm, and you shouldn't be relying on game development studios to let you have it.
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10-03-2020, 09:16 PMThoosa
It feels like a lack of battle content in this game which tbh should be the main focus IMO.
I don’t have any interest in crafting or gathering, or Eureka.
So all that’s relevant that I have to grind is Seat Ex plus Savage, but savage is kinda pointless now as I generally have the gear I want, plus this late in the tier it is a mess in PF. The only thing left is glamour which imo could do with some more work.
I don’t really want to grind ultimate (I’m not good enough for it) and don’t have a group for it, so there isn’t much for me, let’s hope Bozja is good