Does FF16 use FF14’s Graphics Engine? Because I’m not a fan of the way it looks..

during these reveals for games that havent even gotten a release date, its important to remember crack-head cloud. also xvi uses xiv's artstyle, particularly around the eyes

For me; it's the little designs- they did a dark fantasy which is great! but then I saw this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiECjjSU4AE7rPs.jpg


Why for the love of fashion would anyone want to style their hair like this? I mean, atleast it's not a mullet but this is almost just as bad. It looks like a 13 year old who just discovered Hot Topic & the manga section in the book store for the 1st time.
With pretty much every solo FF game being a flop imo from ffx-2 all the way to ff15; I'm gonna wait for reviews- But I agree; the way they look is abit ugly; almost 3D anime & I'm not a fan & haven't been of this style SE has adopted- there are no moles, freckles, blemishes- nothing. Just another waxy, uninteresting face.
BUT if FFXIV got the polish XVI has, I wouldn't complain, as it'd be a step in the right direction

What are even saying? FF7R looked ridiculously terrible, especially during the day.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Why for the love of fashion would anyone want to style their hair like this? I mean, atleast it's not a mullet but this is almost just as bad. It looks like a 13 year old who just discovered Hot Topic & the manga section in the book store for the 1st time.

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I have a feeling that is just during his youth. There should be time-skip to his adult time as you seen at the end of the trailer. And if you look at the trailer in 4k, you will also notice some sort of freckles(Don't know what it's called, aging spot?) on his face as well.

I think the transition is quite smooth connecting from youth to adult. I mean, he looks pretty fresh out new newbie bodyguard who couldn't protect Joshua whom he sworn to protect. Then time skip to how he looks as an adult which look a little haggard and seems to be full of spite to take revenge on whom ever did Joshua in.

At least some of the characters' faces looked like FFXIV Midlander and Highlander Hyur. I'm not really a fan, would have liked it if they looked slightly more anime-like. The children look ok.

But in the early FFVII remake footage Cloud had that way too narrow Midlander face as well, and in the final version he looked much better, much more normal and appropriate for his age. The younger FFXVI main character looks like he has that "younger", slightly rounder Midlander face...
(Nothing against players who like the Hyur designs, but I personally just don't like how SE designed their faces, they could have made them much better in my opinion.)

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Originally Posted by Neri

I have a feeling that is just during his youth. There should be time-skip to his adult time as you seen at the end of the trailer. And if you look at the trailer in 4k, you will also notice some sort of freckles(Don't know what it's called, aging spot?) on his face as well.

I think the transition is quite smooth connecting from youth to adult. I mean, he looks pretty fresh out new newbie bodyguard who couldn't protect Joshua whom he sworn to protect. Then time skip to how he looks as an adult which look a little haggard and seems to be full of spite to take revenge on whom ever did Joshua in.

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I get that much, I could tell it it was young/ old- but you missed my point: the character design is just weird to me & boring. The anime hair is just bad & looks really stupid; If he is in a guards-Watch: Who has time for hair gel? His design just doesn't bring anything new to the table or fresh really. (I'm not saying other FF characters have had such an appealing look either, aside from Squall Leonhart maybe since he was design from actor River Phoenix) This characters older version just has a larger face i& just a generic face that you'd see on any FF NPC just in higher resolution Yet, there seems to be hardly any detail to him at all aside from the tattoo & really moppy stylized hair- Like "oddly styled anime hair= Check, feminine male face= check, probably something dark/ emo about him= check" Just feels like something that's been done time & time again with Square

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Why for the love of fashion would anyone want to style their hair like this?

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I mean, I get that it looks kind of stupid but at least he's got that hair as a youth. Lucia has basically the same hair cut and she's a grown woman who is Aymeric's second in command.

A few people "in the know" on twitter were thinking that it might be Luminous, which FFXIV uses a custom version of. There's a few reasons for this.

It would be an engine that the Heavensward devs would already know pretty well. Dev time could be reduced. Large landscapes are also something that the FFXIV branch of Luminous handles VERY well.

There's also the possibility that any next-gen improvements could be applied to FFXIV depending. Yoshi-P has said he wants to do a graphics upgrade. Well, here's a chance to make the engine capable of better lighting and materials.

Its not the new unreal engine. Many people even requested them to postpone the game to have it rebuilt on a better engine.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

I mean, I get that it looks kind of stupid but at least he's got that hair as a youth. Lucia has basically the same hair cut and she's a grown woman who is Aymeric's second in command.

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Yeah you're right!
I hated the hair on her as well

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I get that much, I could tell it it was young/ old- but you missed my point: the character design is just weird to me & boring. The anime hair is just bad & looks really stupid; If he is in a guards-Watch: Who has time for hair gel? His design just doesn't bring anything new to the table or fresh really. (I'm not saying other FF characters have had such an appealing look either, aside from Squall Leonhart maybe since he was design from actor River Phoenix) This characters older version just has a larger face i& just a generic face that you'd see on any FF NPC just in higher resolution Yet, there seems to be hardly any detail to him at all aside from the tattoo & really moppy stylized hair- Like "oddly styled anime hair= Check, feminine male face= check, probably something dark/ emo about him= check" Just feels like something that's been done time & time again with Square

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Grats, you just noticed SE's artstyle in all of their games. I don't see why thats a problem, SE's default style was never hyper realistic and ugly apparently. They make pretty boys and girls, it's been that way since forever. I just don't see why the artstyle is a problem now when it's been this way forever. It's like saying sonic looks stupid being blue now when he's never not been blue.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

We can kick consoles all we want, the people running PC games on their 2015 laptops are a bigger problem when it comes to holding games like FFXVI back.

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While I agree to the market share argument of uber-PC's nit being enough to focus on, I am running XIV on my 2012 Ivy Bridge PC (with a GTX 1070) because ... well right now there isn't much software out there that makes this system seem woefully inadequate.

The days in which games were pushing people to upgrade are long, long over. I still remember feeling the itch after a year because things developed so ridiculously fast and games started already lagging again.

Currently thinking of plopping in a 3080 to get a bit more 4K grunt (since CPU rarely limits in 4K) but a complete system rebuild will have to wait until Intel gets their act back together.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Why for the love of fashion would anyone want to style their hair like this?

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Stuck-up much?
It's just hair. *shrug*
He can style it however he wants. I see no issue with it tbh.

Different people like different things, it's matter of taste. As long as the hair is clean and well maintained, I don't care what a person does with it.

I'm sick of this. Everyone complaining clearly knows nothing about gamedev because there's not much technology to improve on right now, it's all tiny things like DLSS and 4K. It'll be a while yet until Luminous Engine needs to be replaced.

Also apparently people just can not grasp the concept of a trailer being *gasp* early development.

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Originally Posted by TrenDeca

For a next gen exclusive title (and PC haha) I have to admit I am not impressed with the visuals. FF7 Remake and FF15 looks so much more better in my opinion. I just wondered why they did this, considering Square Enix is HUGE on graphics for single player games.

Then I saw that Yoshida has a major involvement with the game. Then I was like “oh....ok that explains the graphics. he’s made it clear he’s not a fan of pretty graphics.” Not hating, I just personally don’t agree with it. Although I’m sure the story will be amazing. I really like the combat too! It looks like a mixture of devil may cry 5 and FF15!

Question is, does anyone know if FF16 uses Luminous Engine 2.0? (Same one ff14 uses) FF16 looks like FF14 single player mode basically.

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Not saying it is, or isn't, but we don't have any announcement if this is in fact a single-player game. I'd assume so too, but just saying.

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Originally Posted by TrenDeca

For a next gen exclusive title (and PC haha) I have to admit I am not impressed with the visuals. FF7 Remake and FF15 looks so much more better in my opinion. I just wondered why they did this, considering Square Enix is HUGE on graphics for single player games.

Then I saw that Yoshida has a major involvement with the game. Then I was like “oh....ok that explains the graphics. he’s made it clear he’s not a fan of pretty graphics.” Not hating, I just personally don’t agree with it. Although I’m sure the story will be amazing. I really like the combat too! It looks like a mixture of devil may cry 5 and FF15!

Question is, does anyone know if FF16 uses Luminous Engine 2.0? (Same one ff14 uses) FF16 looks like FF14 single player mode basically.

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FF7R didnt look good on its first trailers either lol

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

There's a fair difference between mega resolutions and the gestalts we call "graphics" -- e.g. as a sum of particle drawing systems, how motion blur is handled, antistrophic filtering, ambient occlusion, and so forth, that gives a game it's distinct "style" -- though.

It doesn't take some huge number of polygons or great texture resolutions for a game to click for me, but at the same time much of the parts of a game's "graphics" are inseparable from artistic direction for me, and that will absolutely make or break my investment in a game.

At present, XVI looks mostly like XV to me, but less polished (unsurprising for now, given that it's alpha footage... though even when 15 was XIII-Versus and ran on Crystal Tools, I felt its visual direction clicked). As I'm already not particularly a fan of how Luminous looks in XV, or the limitations of the engine as far as I can guess from XIV, and the lack of polish hits where it matters most to me, the game isn't clicking for me now. But, hey, it's alpha. It's likely been in production for less time than 15 was even just between secrecy and its tentative future as XIII-Versus, still several iterations of development hell before the XV we know today.

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It's fair not like the way the game's artistic direction feels. I'm not feeling it either, honestly, but the last (single player) Final Fantasy game I played with art I actually liked was Final Fantasy XII.