I'd like another tank in 6.0

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Originally Posted by MaraD_

The simple solution is to just make a healer who actually IS what people want to play lol. Most ppl I know who dont want to play healers in MMOs, want to be in armor, have a big weapon, and melee. But the moment its a Paladin, they have 0 problems healing the group. (Outside of some sort of healer anxiety) An example is in offline RPGs. Every single person who plays an RPG offline, plays a healer. They may not considered their clothed healer the main character, but they sure as heck will put them on the team and play them. So in context of a "battle healer", as long as it "feels" like a typical main character hero, and can still dish out some damage (like current healers) they wont see "healing" as something "unfun". (This excludes changes to healer DPS. Just talking about concepts)

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SWTOR's operative healer back in 3.0 was a class that even I didn't know I wanted, that's how fun it was. When I was not busy throwing kolto packs at my party members, I could stealth and shiv my targets up close and personal or pew pew from afar. I brought crowd control by injecting sleeping darts on organic targets and the rez not just through the in-combat rez skill but by also skillfully stealthing out of combat and doing it.

Basically, I had options as a healer, something that just can't be said for the current way healers are in FF14. So yes, totally agree with you there on how unfun healers are currently.

Tank is highly unlikely. Healer is almost guaranteed, caster DPS is likely, though I could see us getting another melee DPS that is either for maiming or scouting gear.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

(Unsure if serious or not)

Judging by jobs we have, it'll likely be Healer/Caster for 6.0.

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Thanks to the ending dialog of 5.3 MSQ I think the twins are going to be the faces of the two new classes. Alphinaud going with the healer, and something in me thinks Alisaie will go dexterity melee, something like a Ninja, but different, she's too aggressive to be a stand back and cast, Red Mage works with her, but I see her going full-time melee. The only problem being I don't see her going thief, which is the only Final Fantasy job that would fit the role.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Idk. Back in sb, most people banked on the probability of getting tank/heals. Instead we got tank/dps. And while we're thinking "they couldn't possibly shaft healers further by not giving us one", it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Or just kept it at one job and it's a dps.

I'm pretty sure they wanna avoid a Blizzard style audience cricket response at the next expac announcement but this is the gaming industry you know and as a collective, they tend to be hella outta touch at times.

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I don’t think Tank/healer was a smart guess for SB anyway as both of them had one in HW.

And I don’t get how healers are ‘shafted’ if they don’t make a new healing class. Let’s be honest they all play pretty much the same anyway, the same kit with a gimmick (pet, cards, slightly better kit). I’d only really want another one if they had an interesting idea for it.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I don’t think Tank/healer was a smart guess for SB anyway as both of them had one in HW.

And I don’t get how healers are ‘shafted’ if they don’t make a new healing class. Let’s be honest they all play pretty much the same anyway, the same kit with a gimmick (pet, cards, slightly better kit). I’d only really want another one if they had an interesting idea for it.

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Consider the following:

• there is an idea floating around that the number of slots for full jobs if not jobs in general are limited, and as such mostplayers would want some equality between them. If the final jobs lead to there being 5 melee, 5 aiming, 5 tanks, 3 healers and 5 casters for example, would the Healers be happy?
• As I already expressed, the cynic in me thinsk that a new job might be what is needed for the devs to go back to healer design and acknowledge the issues with them at current and as such, a new healer would be out best chance of fixing them all.

Yoshi P already said he likes the healers we have now and plans on balancing them fully, I don't even think we will be getting a new healer in 6.0 as most of the "Jobs" of healers are done:

White Mage - Heals damage after it has been taken

Scholar - Shields before damage

Astro - Hybrid with buffs.

A healer that debuffs isn't possible at the moment considering how debuffs work in the game and it would require a lot of changing so the game isn't broken by like a spell that reduces a bosses defense by a certain number. Any healer that is added will just be a copy and paste of one of the three with different names for the same spells.

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Originally Posted by LadyAveria

A healer that debuffs isn't possible at the moment considering how debuffs work in the game and it would require a lot of changing so the game isn't broken by like a spell that reduces a bosses defense by a certain number. Any healer that is added will just be a copy and paste of one of the three with different names for the same spells.

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Considering that people think the currently healers are exactly like that I kinda see it as a poor argument, Plus all three also have access to both reigns and shields, its just a matter of which are GCDs vs CDs at this point.

Also, I'm willing to argue that there are still different flavors they could tap into. A Leech healer that focuses on Bloodbath-like effects, a haler that heals primarily by placing AoE puddles A la Asylym/Sacred Soil/Earthly Star, etc. Even a healer with a higher focus on DPS would be a viable option (and what they went with for GNB)

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Originally Posted by LadyAveria

A healer that debuffs isn't possible at the moment considering how debuffs work in the game and it would require a lot of changing so the game isn't broken by like a spell that reduces a bosses defense by a certain number.

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SCH applies a debuff that increases Crit rate against target by 10%.

NIN applies a debuff that increases damage taken by 5%.

It is perfectly possible to have a healer that debuffs targets. The concept is as complicated as having a class that buffs allies (DNC, BRD and AST), considering a debuff on an enemy is essentially a buff to anybody attacking that enemy. In fact I hope that's what SCH ends up becoming: A full fledged debuffer, with Scan, Libra, and all those iconic FF abilities based on looking for weaknesses in enemies and exploiting them for tactical advantage.


Also, Shield/Heal dynamic doesn't need to be all healers are. Especially considering all healers posses Regen and Shields now. (Whispering Dawn, Divine Benison,
Celestial Intersection.)

In terms of healing gimmicks you can have:
-Delayed heal bombs, like Excog and Earthly star. (Or lifebloom in WoW.)
-Channeled healing.
-HP trade off with healer.
-Damage turned into healing.
-Positional based healing. (Distance to healer maximizes potency)
-Rewinding HP status.
-Healing extends max HP.
-Low HP increases potency of heals.

A Healer is still very likely to be added.

Me too, this game can never have enough tanks. For the first time in its history tanks are not an extreme rarity in duty instances like they've been until Shadowbringers.
I wouldn't mind if we got a healer and a tank for the next expansion. However, no more slashing tanks; I'd be looking for any other weapon type, maybe blunt like a hammer. Also, they should look into adding a slow tank, if you catch my drift. One which would ditch the 123 and would use some other system, maybe something like dancer's steps or Red mage's black/white gauge to deliver a very strong attack. The 123 system is being way over-abused now when it comes to tanks.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

what was wrong with it before? since the content is being dragged to alleviate the injudicious with every patch

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Not wrong, just (in my opinion, obviously) unnecessarily a little more cumbersome with having to switch stances and choose between enmity and damage.

They threw away a major opportunity for a physical healer with DNC, having it use Sambas to heal melees via drain effect and Waltzes for target/AoE heals with a few other support abilities.
Yes I'm still mad about it.
The healer role is my least favorite at the moment, I hope they will do better next time.

Why do people keep asking for a second chemist? There is already one in the game guys, accept it

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

Why do people keep asking for a second chemist? There is already one in the game guys, accept it

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jesus christ. How is there any kind of problem to ask the alchemist teacher , HEY how can i make bombs or Hey can you teach me more alchemy combination. How exactly would it clash with the crafter alchemist to have an alchemist that uses what he crafts. We already have potions , poison pots, esuna pots , stat buffs pots, etc.

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

Why do people keep asking for a second chemist? There is already one in the game guys, accept it

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Alchemist and chemist are not the same thing, similarly named and very loosely associated via the same theme but they are not the same at all.

Chemist as a healer/combat job is a good idea, could play quite a bit differently than all of the other healers, focusing on puddle healing and perhaps if they wanted to get real interesting a mix skill that allows you to mix a couple skills together for different healing/buff or healing/debuff effects could be really cool.

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

Why do people keep asking for a second chemist? There is already one in the game guys, accept it

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I'm going to start assuming people making these comments are just being trolls and not making arguments in good faith.

As for Mix, I would love it for Chemist, either as a Mudra-style set of powers or something similar to Dancer's Steps where your powers change to something else to work off of.

Whether or not SE would allow something so complicated for a healer, though...