Please add trigger warnings to intense moments in the MSQ

You people are so unbelievably gullible.

Not something I would need myself. (Poor Tesleen's fate is the only moment in game that's ever unsettled me.)

Still, troll OP or not I wouldn't see a problem with a togglable, non-spoilery warning at the beginning of a quest
that will at some point involve something truly horrific. "Notice: Players with anxiety issues are advised that this
quest includes a scene which may be disturbing to some individuals."

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Perhaps Maplestory 2 or Gaia Online would be more your speed?

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Pretty sure that's one of the troll posters, but if they could implement a toggle for those who want it with it set to default off on really intense things, I don't think that would be a bad thing. So long as they could do it fairly easily. The ratings do pretty much cover things, but a small accessibility change isn't a bad thing.

How do you deal with Halloween?

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

You people are so unbelievably gullible.

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Its some good quality bait. Especially given how the victim card has unlimited use nowadays.

I may not be a military vet, but I do agree with PTSD warnings. They could be really useful for promoting mental wellness.

Best part is such a system could be entirely optional. A system designed to warn people with PTSD to certain things could simply be part of disability assistance. It doesn't have to be for every player and I think that's where a lot of people in this thread are missing the point of.

Our brains don't choose to go into trauma mode when we experience certain things. They just do. In 2017 I was attacked for being LGBT and now whenever cars zoom by I just can't help but duck and get really afraid someone is going to jump out the car and start beating me up. I've been through years of therapy and on countless medications. Sometimes scenes of bully type violence freaks me out and puts me on edge. For example I just couldn't watch the IT movie sequel because it put me back in a mental state where I felt like I was in that situation again. I had to leave the theater in a state of mental terror.

More mental health awareness is seriously beneficial. PTSD is a disability like everything else can be medically. It's just hidden and not easy to see until someone panics. There's also science behind that panic and why your body does it. There's nothing wrong with having PTSD and needing a little help and notified warnings. We can't always be in control of our bodies chemical response to things.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I may not be a military vet, but I do agree with PTSD warnings. They could be really useful for promoting mental wellness.

Best part is such a system could be entirely optional. A system designed to warn people with PTSD to certain things could simply be part of disability assistance. It doesn't have to be for every player and I think that's where a lot of people in this thread are missing the point of.

Our brains don't choose to go into trauma mode when we experience certain things. They just do. In 2017 I was attacked for being LGBT and now whenever cars zoom by I just can't help but duck and get really afraid someone is going to jump out the car and start beating me up. I've been through years of therapy and on countless medications. Sometimes scenes of bully type violence freaks me out and puts me on edge. For example I just couldn't watch the IT movie sequel because it put me back in a mental state where I felt like I was in that situation again. I had to leave the theater in a state of mental terror.

More mental health awareness is seriously beneficial. PTSD is a disability like everything else can be medically. It's just hidden and not easy to see until someone panics. There's also science behind that panic and why your body does it. There's nothing wrong with having PTSD and needing a little help and notified warnings. We can't always be in control of our bodies chemical response to things.

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Thank you for your courage in sharing your story. Hopefully you'll be able to master your PTSD one day

Nice try, Titan Men. But I know your schitck now.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Thank you for your courage in sharing your story. Hopefully you'll be able to master your PTSD one day

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Some days are better, some days are worse. I just take one day at a time. It's all we can do.

Warning or not, you are still going to be triggered, I don't understand why you would want to play something that will only cause you stress and anxiety.

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

Warning or not, you are still going to be triggered, I don't understand why you would want to play something that will only cause you stress and anxiety.

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Because this game's themes of friendship, determination, and hope is a universal theme for all. Horror game tropes like jumpscares don't really belong in the game and seem very weird considering the wider themes of this game.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Thank you. I think it's fine if those storylines stayed in the game but some warning for them would be nice. Had I known Tam Tara HM was basically a horror movie trope I would have probably stayed away from it.

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I'm too lazy to find it atm, but these kind of experiences all fall under the umbrella of "Gaming experience may change during online play." that is given as a clear caveat to your subscription.

As for Tam Tara specifically, if you've followed along the storyline from the first time you go in there at level 15, and read all the context before going into the HM, you should be well aware that nothing good is going to happen in there. I also believe after defeating the last boss, it was one of the first and few scenes where your character does not celebrate, but lowers their head in grief.

Still.... I will admit that even after I read everything, and was even given a hint that it was dark storyline; I was still not prepared for the events of this particular questline, or seeing her damn ghost in city states afterwards. Just creepy, beyond all that is freakin creepy. O_O

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Coming from someone that claims to be a lore-heavy as your signature implies this makes 0 sense. The impact of key events are what can make or break a plotline. I've spoiled endings and stuff for myself but spoiling an ending is not the same as ruining the key moments that bring the elements to their fullest.

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I'm mostly with you on not wanting to be spoiled, but sometimes when I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel for a game or manga or whatever, I wanna know if it's worth my time or going to scratch some particular itch. I like monster flicks, so when a promising movie comes out, I check if it legit has a monster or it's just an @sshat in a costume (the movie SIGNS I self-spoiled 'cause if I wasn't interested in another THE VILLAGE BS).

Or, as an example from Friends, some people just want to know if Ross and Rachel get married or not before investing time in Ross and Rachel's roller coaster of a relationship.

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I'm mostly with you on not wanting to be spoiled, but sometimes when I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel for a game or manga or whatever, I wanna know if it's worth my time or going to scratch some particular itch. I like monster flicks, so when a promising movie comes out, I check if it legit has a monster or it's just an @sshat in a costume (the movie SIGNS I self-spoiled 'cause if I wasn't interested in another THE VILLAGE BS).

Or, as an example from Friends, some people just want to know if Ross and Rachel get married or not before investing time in Ross and Rachel's roller coaster of a relationship.

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How would a trigger warning be a spoiler?

There are horrifying things in the game to be sure, but the writers are out to tell a story; if it makes you uncomfortable or whatever sorry, but it is what it is.

Edda's just jumpscares. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

How would a trigger warning be a spoiler?

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Can you start posting trigger warning on all your posts for people who are offended by poorly disguised troll threads?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Can you start posting trigger warning on all your posts for people who are offended by poorly disguised troll threads?

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I don't appreciate the rudeness and I hope you don't treat people who are concerned about invisible disabilities and minorities as rudely as you are to me.

Have you gotten to Shadowbringers yet? there is a very horrifying scenes in there compared. I recommend talking to players who have played the story and who are familiar of your triggers. And ask what quests and scenes you should prepare for.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Can you start posting trigger warning on all your posts for people who are offended by poorly disguised troll threads?

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was about to take it as an actual thread, but then i noticed he also made one about novice network which is basicaly the equivalent of passing some meat to really hungry dogs and watching them fight amongst them. He just needs to make one more about dungeon pulls and the holy trinity of OF peak will be achieved. I wonder is this titanmen ? did he get self aware when they mentioned his hyurs

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was about to take it as an actual thread, but then i noticed he also made one about novice network which is basicaly the equivalent of passing some meat to really hungry dogs and watching them fight amongst them. He just needs to make one more about dungeon pulls and the holy trinity of OF peak will be achieved. I wonder is this titanmen ? did he get self aware when they mentioned his hyurs

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So instead of trying to solve issues, you decided to call the people discussing how we can move forward as a community from the rampant transphobia and homophobia "hungry dogs". Maybe that is the real reason why these issues persist to this day.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

was about to take it as an actual thread, but then i noticed he also made one about novice network which is basicaly the equivalent of passing some meat to really hungry dogs and watching them fight amongst them. He just needs to make one more about dungeon pulls and the holy trinity of OF peak will be achieved. I wonder is this titanmen ? did he get self aware when they mentioned his hyurs

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Well, the FC this character is in on Malboro has the same name as the FC his Char on Jenova is in so.... And its not like the tag and FC name are common. It'd be one HELL of a coincidence. Plus all the other "bank" characters in that fc have his usual naming schemes.

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Originally Posted by Taybat

Have you gotten to Shadowbringers yet? there is a very horrifying scenes in there compared. I recommend talking to players who have played the story and who are familiar of your triggers. And ask what quests and scenes you should prepare for.

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Yes, the Titania scene was in Shadowbringers. This thread showed me what is more horrifying than any MSQ quest is the community though, who spends their time trolling people with genuine concern for disabilities and have nothing better to do than to mock them like saying I'm from a Californian university or joking about trigger warnings.

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Well, the FC this character is in on Malboro has the same name as the FC his Char on Jenova is in so.... And its not like the tag and FFC name are common. It'd be one HELL of a coincidence. Plus all the other "bank" characters in that fc have his usual naming schemes.

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You've gotta stop trolling people. Your FC is also on Jenova and one of your members is the notorious troll on this forum who got banned two years ago.

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You've gotta stop trolling people. Your FC is also on Jenova and one of your members is the notorious troll on this forum who got banned two years ago.

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Wait, the FC my character is in is on Jenova? Weird. And I'm the only one in my FC who even goes to the forums so...

Yes, your FC totally has no relation to the mentor-kicking group on Malboro; no relation at all...

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Because this game's themes of friendship, determination, and hope is a universal theme for all. Horror game tropes like jumpscares don't really belong in the game and seem very weird considering the wider themes of this game.

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The game is also about war, and the horrors of war, which has pretty much been a theme since ARR, not as graphic as recently I admit. But no Final Fantasy game has ever been sunshine and roses. There are games I can't play because they are too stressful and that's ok it's not for me. But when you are triggered, it triggers a panic attack/anxiety attack, every health professional would tell you to avoid playing the game. The game has ratings already that warns you of the content. A warning in the game will not stop a trigger if you just continue playing it.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Titania Jumpscare

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I watched that and laughed. To me it felt like a comically inept attempt at a scare and I only recognized it as an "attempt" because I read your post first. If I had watched it without reading your post I might have rolled my eyes or yawned or laughed or had no reaction at all... just another bunch of pixels. I certainly wouldn't have believed anyone could have reacted differently from me.

Your triggers may not be other people's triggers just like their triggers may not be triggers for you. The game comes with a rating, which I doubt any player over the age of 10 pays any attention to but its there. To ask for warnings before every cutscene on the off chance that the contents might just trigger someone would just bog down the game with some truly tedious messages we would all have to click through.

I don't think I will ever understand what OP is going through, I do think it's a significant minority and it's hard to conceive that a condition like this couldn't just be fixed by "tough it up buttercup" but it's something I know nothing about so maybe it's a real issue that people have. SE does attempt to accommodate whenever they can regardless though. I believe an option could be enabled for things like these because for most of us, we are excited to see the unexpected whether it's violent or a moment of betrayal. I don't think there are many who could understand what OP is going through so it might seem like an odd request but I think that an option that could be enabled would resolve the issue at hand.

Titan Men troll thread #154. Woo.

It's not the developer's responsibility to try to please or accomodate everyone. They try as they may according to reasonable efforts and laws and restrictions applicable to regions, but other than that, you're on your own. If you're playing a game about war, destruction, monsters, then expect violence, torture, and cruelty. Use your brain.

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It's not the developer's responsibility to try to please or accomodate everyone. They try as they may according to reasonable efforts and laws and restrictions applicable to regions, but other than that, you're on your own. If you're playing a game about war, destruction, monsters, then expect violence, torture, and cruelty. Use your brain.

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Telling someone with anxiety to just "use your brain" is counterproductive.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Guys, there's no harm is asking for greater accessibility options and filters.
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It could be a opt in option, so that those who don't want it never have to see it.

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Opt in?
Damn, then everyone can be happy.
That's a solid solution.

The Titania scene is WAY too tame to even be a jump-scare

This is a joke..right?

I don't see the problem with OP's request. As long as it's opt-in then it doesn't effect your gameplay at all if you don't use it.

Why complain about a QoL improvement for others if it doesn't effect you?

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I don't see the problem with OP's request. As long as it's opt-in then it doesn't effect your gameplay at all if you don't use it.

Why complain about a QoL improvement for others if it doesn't effect you?

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I'm all for QoL improvements, the problem here is that what OP is asking wouldn't even work.

A trigger to a panic or anxiety attack is not to be taken lightly, it is an emotional reaction to something traumatic that has happened in the past. Let me be clear here, a simple warning would do nothing to stop the trigger, this is a body response to what is happening in front of you.

So what can SE do?
If we are talking about an opt in, then SE could just remove the scenes altogether. However this causes a few problems
1. You lose immersion and context, you are likely to not know what is going on as the story is so interwoven.
2. Where would SE even start? You would need multiple opt ins for every situation, not everyone gets triggered by the same thing, everyone's anxiety/ panic attacks aren't the same. Even if SE did multiple opt ins its likely they will still get it wrong due to how impossible the task is.

It is a nice idea, however it is impossible to implement and it's not healthy to play something that triggers you.

Good pint, I honestly have no idea how they could implement it. It certainly wouldn't be perfect or easy I think. But if they could, it might be a good thing.

While it's unfortunate that you experienced distress during those moments and I'm sorry to hear as much, I think having a warning before those scenes would take the punch out of them.

Imagine finishing The Vault and then getting a notice that pops on the screen that says "Warning: A character you might like dies in the following scene!", in a cutscene where you would otherwise have no reason to believe such a thing would happen until the moment is already in progress.

If anything, just have a content warning on startup of the game that says the MSQ might have moments that are uncomfortable to some viewers or something. I don't think the game pushes the uncomfortable envelope too often, though, barring things like mention of sexual abuse, which does crop up in surprising places (Little Ladies Day anyone?).

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While it's unfortunate that you experienced distress during those moments and I'm sorry to hear as much, I think having a warning before those scenes would take the punch out of them.

Imagine finishing The Vault and then getting a notice that pops on the screen that says "Warning: A character you might like dies in the following scene!", in a cutscene where you would otherwise have no reason to believe such a thing would happen until the moment is already in progress.

If anything, just have a content warning on startup of the game that says the MSQ might have moments that are uncomfortable to some viewers or something. I don't think the game pushes the uncomfortable envelope too often, though, barring things like mention of sexual abuse, which does crop up in surprising places (Little Ladies Day anyone?).

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I understand that people don't want to be spoiled by Haurchefant. But scenes like Tam Tara HM and Titania jumpscares are just unnecessary and don't fit the game thematically.