The Ultimate DRK Rework

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

unsatisfied customers speak up way more often. just cause you see dozen of topics it doesn't mean the majority is unhappy.
if you take a closer look you see it's just the same bunch of ppl over and over again.
and if you look again you'll see that those can't even agree on what to change. everyone has their own ideas. most of those just push drk to the top without trying to achieve any kind of balance with the other tanks.
now if SE decides for one out of 10 ideas you are very likely still left with 9 unhappy customers. and on top you'll get someone taking the spot of the now happy one

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Before you trying to use the word "majority" how about find some more drk main who cleared end game and feel satisfy with the current DRK like you?

The Majority of people who show up is unhappy. The post about LD problem show up everywhere even in reddit since 5.0 and it still keep show up till yesterday and people agreed how bad it is. The people who didn't agree is mostly the one who don't main DRK and the one who aren't AST/SCH that have to deal with it.

Take off your glasses and look around. Over the year the LD is the most complain from both drk and healers. Just because you keep dismissing them or stick with "only few people and same people show up to complain it doesn't mean that's majority"
doesn't mean it isn't a big problem.

Now maybe you want to show how far you go in savage&ultimate this tier and how your healer deal with your LD for various strat in the current savage tier.

You can't know what everyone is thinking at any given moment. But if there's a problem, the majority of complaints are going to be centred around it.

Living Dead has some serious problems. Some people may have learnt to tolerate it, but it's not an enjoyable ability. It's the only action in the game which kills you if the base requirements aren't met. Those requirements, in turn, are completely left in the hands of another player on a different job who may or may not understand how it works. Amazingly, you'll even find experienced raiders who still can't tell you how it actually works, despite us endlessly having this same rehashed conversation on the forums all the time. This is in part due to a series of badly written tooltips that still haven't been fixed since Heavensward despite being flagged as a localisation error.

Even if you've planned its use with your team and everyone understands how it works, the game doesn't actually support you around its use. There's no UI gauge elements to show how your team much healing is still required, despite there being irrelevant on-screen UI gauge elements for everything on your job from Darkside and Living Shadow durations (neither of which you particularly need to pay attention to), down to the last time that you played Verminion. I'm looking at you, Masaki Asakura. Get it together. And even if you decide to go down the classic "forget it, let's just Bene" route, remember that Bene is on a 3 minute recast and Living Dead is on 5 minutes, which means that they couldn't be any less in sync.

I suspect that the main problem is that there are like 4 listed Battle System Designers covering like 17 different jobs. That's not even one for each role. And to be heard you have to shout out over the endless voices demanding new housing glamours, details on Aymeric's dating life, or new cash shop pretty pretty dresses during one of the Q+A sessions that happen once every two years. It's not surprising that the issue hasn't been heard of by the dev team, let alone fixed.

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

LOL that thread filled with feedback and info how DRK and Healers have a hard time with it[Yes the one who is in charge of getting DRK out of WD not some co tank who didn't have to do something about it like you] You just admitted you refused to took at the truth meanwhile trying to smart mouth.

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A thread filled with the same people crying the same thing in every other DRK thread, and this includes healers who don't even understand how most of their toolkits work. It's not "refusal to [look] at the truth", I cba reading the same regurgitated complaints again.

Just because I don't main DRK, (and you keep having that, "oh your a different tank main, what would you know" mentality) I still understand how to play the job since unlike you I actually levelled the job to 80. I know the drawbacks that surround LD, and a lot of the issues is people not playing the DRK and figuring out what skills do or reading tooltips. So adding your half-a**ed smart remarks is gonna get you nowhere with me.

In casual content so what if you die from LD, not like you die IRL, get a raise, or release back to the start of the duty or return point in the over world. And I've only once this tier had a wipe to LD not being healed up, simply because the healer forgot, pulled again, it didn't happen the next time, we cleared.

End of the day, invulns aren't important in casual content, I can run every bit of casual content without the need to press an invuln, the only content they matter is savage and ultimate.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

A thread filled with the same people crying the same thing in every other DRK thread, and this includes healers who don't even understand how most of their toolkits work. It's not "refusal to [look] at the truth", I cba reading the same regurgitated complaints again.

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That's because the people that are complaining more on the forums have hit their breaking point.

Yes, I know, I have some old threads and posts that are just me complaining for mostly nothing, and I was most likely wanting to take part in the discussion. Though Stormblood did have it's own issues regarding tank balance(mostly the accessories but still) and just when we all thought that the balance would be completely fixed and fun in Shadowbringers, the mediatour info dropped and many tanks and healers p***ed off, and for good reason(you know, the ones that are complaining on the forums and probably flooding social media and leaving "suggestions" and actual suggestions via in-game help/support desk).

Leveling is no longer fun for not just DRK, but for a good majority of the tank and healer jobs in the game.

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Originally Posted by TheRealQuah

Why does everyone on here want to go back to SB DRK, when it was the worst tank. It was arbitrary spam, and hardly anyone played it. It's now the second most played tank and is rated higher than it's ever been. We need to work on evolving from where we are now, not another complete overhaul.

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If you're really looking for an evolution to DRK's gameplay, simply equip an axe.

What's up with using the word "arbitrary" as an argument? Everything is arbitrary. There's no reason for WAR's mostly-lackluster gameplay sans burst. There's no reason to have 12 steps for a rotation for PLD. It's just there. It's all "arbitrary." The fact it had a lower GCD and higher APM is entirely for flavor and choices. Wanna play fast? There's DRK. Slow? There's PLD and WAR.

The fact it wasn't played as much was due to fear-mongering stigma, and far less to the job's kit, and that's entirely justifiable to say by looking at statistics of the job in the hands of the competent. Worst tank? There's bound to be a third place, buddy, but it says nothing ill of a job's performance.


If you hated SB DRK so much and praise ShB DRK's iteration, why didn't you just play a WAR in SB? We just want SB DRK back because it was genuinely a unique tank, as opposed to a reskinned WAR.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

"Hey man, at least Living Dead doesn't kill you in real life!"

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Originally Posted by Hierro

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Does WAR have a monopoly on burst windows or something?

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Originally Posted by Lyth

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Does WAR have a monopoly on burst windows or something?

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Does DRK need to have a 10 second burst window where they use their strongest GCD five times in a row followed by a period of downtime where you use the same low powered combo for another 80 seconds just like a job that did it a previous expansion ago?

I played DRK for the feel of the kit. If all you wanna do is hold a big sword and feel cool, more power to you, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Does DRK need to have a 10 second burst window where they use their strongest GCD five times in a row followed by a period of downtime where you use the same low powered combo for another 80 seconds just like a job that did it a previous expansion ago?

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*eyes Paladin*

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Originally Posted by Hierro

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Oh no, WAR lost its sole pretence at having a personality. Perhaps it shouldn't have depended on a single ability in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

*eyes Paladin*

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Next expansion, every job is going to get a burst window finisher after spamming the same button five times. Watch this space.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Next expansion, every job is going to get a burst window finisher after spamming the same button five times. Watch this space.

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