The "WTF, BS or GTFO" Thread.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

exactly. the 2 party system has become a single party system that pretends to be enemies. both parties are full of 2 faced career politicians. they say one thing while doing the exact opposite. both parties are owned by businesses and do whatever it takes to help the businesses that have the money to influence their votes.

bush it was oil
obama it's ge and green

the only difference is who is lining their pockets.

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Lol, and health care is the new boogie man.

We actually need a 3 party system at the very least, with a possibility of an elected prime minister of no particular party to countermand stupidity.

Let's start the Immortal Flames party IRL. I chose you darkstar as the speaker.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Lol, and health care is the new boogie man.

We actually need a 3 party system at the very least, with a possibility of an elected prime minister of no particular party to countermand stupidity.

Let's start the Immortal Flames party IRL. I chose you darkstar as the speaker.

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you want to bring up health care which is a great example of exactly that. obama says rep's want grandma to die, but then says he is setting up a panel that may decide a heart transplant is not going to help because they have already lived long lives. members of his own party talks about how horrid it was for our former vice president to have the heart transplant just a few weeks ago.

exactly what i mean by saying one thing and doing something else.

anyways enough political speak and i won't respond beyond here. i've said all that needs to be said.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

It's okay to admire the way of life a culture has, I apologize I happen to be somewhat fond of eastern culture to an extent. I am always a die hard fan of good old fashioned US liberty but, when it comes to humility and honor the Japanese are exemplars of this.

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I mostly agree with this.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

When this game tanked the late producer wrote an apology, I didn't see that happen when a few other Mmo's flopped. When a governor in Japan made a comment that offended his people, he apologized, don't see that here for the most part.

Not meaning to bash us here in the states, but there is always room for improvement for everyone, and the states were founded with the principal that we the people would stride to build a thriving and free nation.

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That's true, they do apologize to "their" people, but they still look on other nations as "less than" equals. America as a nation and as a people is young and arrogant, but those go hand in hand.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

As for your example in the mid east, that's a whole different debate entirely that historically is not in the favor of the west when it comes to any kind of moral high ground.

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Your absolutely right, let's not get into this mess, or the African one, and how both were started before the U.S. existed, what with things like the Boers.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

you want to bring up health care which is a great example of exactly that. obama says rep's want grandma to die, but then says he is setting up a panel that may decide a heart transplant is not going to help because they have already lived long lives. members of his own party talks about how horrid it was for our former vice president to have the heart transplant just a few weeks ago.

exactly what i mean by saying one thing and doing something else.

anyways enough political speak and i won't respond beyond here. i've said all that needs to be said.

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Agreed,

Good debate though. Enjoy eorzea, have a good weekend.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

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And, community is the essence of what this game is. Besides I post all the time about the game, then someone responds with ponies, pictures of dumb things etc.
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That is one of the most obnoxious things people do. Glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's "less than great".

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Agreed,

Good debate though. Enjoy eorzea, have a good weekend.

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yes, agreed. i enjoy a good debate, but figure we'd better back off it before someone outside of us got offended and the dev's decided to get involved.

enjoy easter tomorrow

Lol we need a united health care. Private health care companies are the worst.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

That is one of the most obnoxious things people do. Glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's "less than great".

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Yeah, it's what's in. The thing all the cool kids are up to these days.

It was profoundly bad on Aion. People would actually start posts to lure others in so they could ambush 'em with an "absolutely hilarious" picture, or otherwise "rickroll" them.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Lol we need a united health care. Private health care companies are the worst.

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If you want to pay for someone else's healthcare, be my guest, but don't force a fellow human into paying it.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Yeah, it's what's in. The thing all the cool kids are up to these days.

It was profoundly bad on Aion. People would actually start posts to lure others in so they could ambush 'em with an "absolutely hilarious" picture, or otherwise "rickroll" them.

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Not that this has any bearing on anything at all, but Aion refused to run on either of my rigs, I was so pissed I payed for it. lol

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Originally Posted by Dragon

If you want to pay for someone else's healthcare, be my guest, but don't force a fellow human into paying it.

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Hmm I bet you don't say the same thing with car insurance.

Private health care companies are super corrupted. I should know~

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Hmm I bet you don't say the same thing with car insurance.

Private health care companies are super corrupted. I should know~

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While I don't agree with auto-insurance (as no such business model like insurance can continue to exist without an authoritarian backer), at least no one is forced to buy auto insurance, as auto-insurance is based on the assumption of one buying an automobile which is not something that requires one to live. However, requiring us all to pay for healthcare preempts us from the moment we're born or become citizens, which necessarily drives prices up as there is no legal escape from such a system.

You call them corrupt, but you don't call your own government corrupt? Get over yourself. The individual mandate was created by Newt Gingrich when he was a member of The Heritage Foundation, which was responsible for the quintessential Hillarycare that both Romneycare and Obamacare adopted.

I never said government wasn't corrupt they are all corrupt.

You have to buy goods and services all the time with taxes, it's no different. You buy roads, schools, ect.. Health care would be like a road, but you will be healthier.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I never said government wasn't corrupt they are all corrupt.

You have to buy goods and services all the time with taxes, it's no different. You buy roads, schools, ect.. Health care would be like a road, but you will be healthier.

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Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

You should have first asked if I supported any of that other junk.

Hint: I'm a Panarchist.

Well that explains a lot lol

hint: I'm part Socialist

It's funny because in real life vs games I'm complete opposite lol

Umm...mebbe we should kill the thread. ><.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Well that explains a lot lol

hint: I'm part Socialist

It's funny because in real life vs games I'm complete opposite lol

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I'm against neither socialism nor communism, I'm against authoritarianism. It just so happens today's socialists and communists are Stalinists and Marxists hiding behind the guise of Socialism and Communism (especially European socialists/communists).

Orwell for instance was a libertarian socialist, and in his commentary on Friedrich Hayek's own The Road to Serfdom, he said: "Shortly, Professor Hayek’s thesis is that Socialism inevitably leads to despotism, and that in Germany the Nazis were able to succeed because the Socialists had already done most of their work for them, especially the intellectual work of weakening the desire for liberty. By bringing the whole of life under the control of the State, Socialism necessarily gives power to an inner ring of bureaucrats, who in almost every case will be men who want power for its own sake and will stick at nothing in order to retain it. Britain, he says, is now going the same road as Germany, with the left-wing intelligentsia in the van and the Tory Party a good second. The only salvation lies in returning to an unplanned economy, free competition, and emphasis on liberty rather than on security. In the negative part of Professor Hayek’s thesis there is a great deal of truth. It cannot be said too often — at any rate, it is not being said nearly often enough — that collectivism is not inherently democratic, but, on the contrary, gives to a tyrannical minority such powers as the Spanish Inquisitors never dreamed of."

omg lock this stupid thread.

Noooo I'm enjoying reading the crap other people regurgitate like college sophomores! Then we'll reopen it in a couple years and see everyone's opinion be 100% changed! Petition to keep it open!

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