Marketboard PSA

I do not like to be that person, but I cannot help but feel the people that complain about those that under cut are just gil poor because they are lazy.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Why though?

Do you not value your time?

The market will bear what consumers are willing to pay. If prices are too high,people won't buy consistently until the prices drop. But of course this doesn't take into account botters and people who do not value their time.



Not a complaint. Just an observation. Let's say X is selling for 75k daily, multiple times. It means, it's at the right price for buyers. Undercutting it to 50k is unlikely going to increase the demand significantly.

Also, I noticed your forum join date. It would appear you joined the game around the same time as me...how is it possible in 2 years, you've not had more than 3m considering that the game hands you gil for doing dailies/weeklies?

Perhaps, if you actually learned how to make the gil and the MB, you might not be in this situation.

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Of course I value my time. I value everyone else's time though as well. Making it as low as possible while still being reasonable means more people can have access to it. I'm not sitting here caring about how much gil I can grab up, I'm wanting to get items to people who need or want them.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

The thing I hate the most is how people who just want to empty their inventory sell on mb instead of just vendoring. That way a lot of stuff is worth on the mb even less than vendor price cause everybody just undercuts. At this point we can just remove the mb, what's the point anyway if making money of what took you time and effort to get is apparently frowned upon?

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If the items in question are so easy to get that players just want rid of them and that in turn crashes that entire market to the point of no recovery ...the item is worthless. It's literally junk that a ton of people want to get rid of that has low demand.

Sadly, thanks to Enix making gathering and crafting a joke, that applies to the greater majority of items in the game now. They're nearly all worthless.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

If the items in question are so easy to get that players just want rid of them and that in turn crashes that entire market to the point of no recovery ...the item is worthless. It's literally junk that a ton of people want to get rid of that has low demand.

Sadly, thanks to Enix making gathering and crafting a joke, that applies to the greater majority of items in the game now. They're nearly all worthless.

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Part of it is botters though. To botters who don't invest time like a human player does, crashing items to a very low price doesn't matter.

I agree on the latter.

With the current state of crafting/gathering along with the combination of botters, would recommend people try to make serious gil elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I do not like to be that person, but I cannot help but feel the people that complain about those that under cut are just gil poor because they are lazy.

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Mh I think instead it's people who undercut bigly because they just want to get rid of the item fast no matter what, being too lazy to actually sell things normally without crashing the market.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Mh I think instead it's people who undercut bigly because they just want to get rid of the item fast no matter what, being too lazy to actually sell things normally without crashing the market.

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Overall you make it sound like a bad thing when a market crashes and makes items more readily available. The items still sell, just not for the price you personally wish. I mean in the end if people do not like under cutters then buy out the items and repost them. Sooner or later one will give either due to lack of funds, supply, or demand.

No matter how you cut it people seem upset about undercutting because they cannot sell the item at the rate and value they personally desire. If that is the case control that part of the market.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Do you not value your time?

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Value changes based on the individual and the circumstance. There is no set value for time that everyone accepts.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

The market will bear what consumers are willing to pay.

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Like time, consumers value products differently. What one person will gladly pay for an item does not indicate what everyone is willing to pay.

Prices only hold as long as the supply will only support those willing to pay that higher price. Once the supply starts exceeding the demand from those buyers, a surplus forms. Sellers don't want to be stuck sitting for weeks on an item because there's a surplus that won't sell and it's preventing them from selling other items. They're going to drop their price trying to attract new buyers.

If there's an untapped demand out there because the old price was higher than many were willing to pay, the price drop will succeed in attracting new buyers. Sellers get rid of their inventory and are able to start selling other items.

I know you've mentioned bots as a reason for prices dropping but you know what's been even more disastrous in many of the game's markets?

The desynthesis changes and quick ventures.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I do not like to be that person, but I cannot help but feel the people that complain about those that under cut are just gil poor because they are lazy.

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Or they're trying to play the game as a wealth accumulation simulator so want to make as much gil as they can from what they sell, not less.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Value changes based on the individual and the circumstance. There is no set value for time that everyone accepts.

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That's fine but I've noticed that people who don't value their time as part of their pricing also tend not to have much gil.

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Prices only hold as long as the supply will only support those willing to pay that higher price. Once the supply starts exceeding the demand from those buyers, a surplus forms. Sellers don't want to be stuck sitting for weeks on an item because there's a surplus that won't sell and it's preventing them from selling other items. They're going to drop their price trying to attract new buyers...

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I think you're misunderstanding. Prices dropping over time is normal. My observation is for people who undercut on items which are consistently selling at a certain price daily, multiple times. When doing so, does not significantly increase demand.

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I know you've mentioned bots as a reason for prices dropping but you know what's been even more disastrous in many of the game's markets?

The desynthesis changes and quick ventures.

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It's a combination of many factors. Here are some:
1. Bots
2. SHB making crafting/gathering way easier. You can level all your crafting/gathering jobs in hours thanks to Ishgard Restoration vs leveling the combat jobs
3.The desynthesis changes and quick ventures.

I don’t know whose more annoying.. the don’t undercut me people or the I can’t get a house people.. seriously products get undercut all the time even in reality so deal with it

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Or they're trying to play the game as a wealth accumulation simulator so want to make as much gil as they can from what they sell, not less.

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If that is the case they have to sort of factor in undercutting or work around it. Complaining about it does not solve much.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Except you did before you went and edited your OP.



You are in fact attempting to shame people into doing what you want them to do. Classic manipulation strategy.

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Can you stop being toxic? I posted a harmless PSA nicely asking people if they could do something. I wasn’t telling anybody they had to do anything. Stop being toxic and harassing me, don’t you have literally anything better to do than accuse and harass somebody on forums for an MMO? Seriously, leave me alone.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

Can you stop being toxic? I posted a harmless PSA nicely asking people if they could do something. I wasn’t telling anybody they had to do anything. Stop being toxic and harassing me, don’t you have literally anything better to do than accuse and harass somebody on forums for an MMO? Seriously, leave me alone.

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Sadly, this forum is full of such people. Just ignore and move on.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

Sadly, this forum is full of such people. Just ignore and move on.

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Yeah, I’m starting to see that. I figured with how nice the community is, it wouldn’t be bad. You voice one non-problematic opinion and people immediately start to yell at you, make harsh and rude assumptions and make fun of you. I don’t get why people get so heated over a game. I’d love to delete the thread and not give toxic people a platform, but apparently Square doesn’t want people to delete threads.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

Yeah, I’m starting to see that. I figured with how nice the community is, it wouldn’t be bad. You voice one non-problematic opinion and people immediately start to yell at you, make harsh and rude assumptions and make fun of you. I don’t get why people get so heated over a game. I’d love to delete the thread and not give toxic people a platform, but apparently Square doesn’t want people to delete threads.

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I mean you are voicing concern over undercutting, by in large most people will view it as a you problem.

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Originally Posted by tierney12

The bots dominate all areas of the marketboards anyway, on Louisoix they sell everything and are set to automatically undercut within 10 mins anyway.

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Last time I said bots work the MB and auto undercut people laughed at me. It's pretty sad how blind they are to these things.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I mean you are voicing concern over undercutting, by in large most people will view it as a you problem.

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It doesn’t mean people have the right to be toxic because they think it’s my problem. Are you really saying being toxic is okay because I had issue with people undercutting and tanking prices?

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

It doesn’t mean people have the right to be toxic because they think it’s my problem. Are you really saying being toxic is okay because I had issue with people undercutting and tanking prices?

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Personally I think people toss around the word toxic, harrassment etc . . . far too often for mundane and trivial matters.

Complaining about people tanking prices is high on the list of trivial and mundane. My man as someone else said take it in stride you made a PSA that back fired take your licks and move on with life.

This lala is on a roll lmao

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Originally Posted by Awha

I mean you are voicing concern over undercutting, by in large most people will view it as a you problem.

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He deleted his first message.
He does not want to continue this argument.
At this point, you are harassing the OP.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

He deleted his first message.
He does not want to continue this argument.
At this point, you are harassing the OP.

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Imagine claiming harassment when the OP themselves decided to come back again and reply further to criticisms of their own volition. If they don't want to continue arguing, then they just can stop replying to people.

Honestly, nowadays harassment is code for "People disagree with me and I hate it. Let's belittle them and accuse them of something they aren't doing". I mean, OP even said they'd like to deplatform people they don't like.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

He deleted his first message.
He does not want to continue this argument.
At this point, you are harassing the OP.

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To be fair when I check a thread I have already read and have a post in I do not start at the first page I work go to the most recent post. Did not notice he deleted his first message. Either way does not change the fact he started the thread and it back fired. I am sure many of us have said and done things we could take back but cannot. We to live with our choices and move on.

Moving on means not coming back to said failed PSA and asking people to ignore it and be nice. Even in the end his new message takes a shot at people who disagree with him. Which is funny cause this thread started cause he was upset people were undercutting in a virtual market board.

Seems odd to me.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

He deleted his first message.
He does not want to continue this argument.
At this point, you are harassing the OP.

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If the OP didn't want to continue the discussion, he wouldn't have returned to the thread after deleting his initial post. That he returns would indicate he wants to continue the discussion.

No one is being harassed. The poster you quoted was replying to yet another post by the OP. People are allowed to have opinions even if you or others don't like those opnions.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

He deleted his first message.
He does not want to continue this argument.
At this point, you are harassing the OP.

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If someone doesn't want to continue an argument they can just stop responding on the internet.

If someone wants the last word, though...

That isn't harassment at all. Someone made a mistake, no need to white knight them and make a mountain out if a mole hill. I agree with the OP that drastic undercutting is really annoying but to try to call responding to someone who's still responding to someone on a discussion forum harassment is too far of a reach.

1g undercut only benefits people that are breaking ToS with their 'magically uncuts every 1minute' shenanigans.
It keeps their profit margins high and lets them stay ahead on making more items they can list and beat you yet again to another sale.
you will never get sales.

The sweet spot is to drive prices low and sales swift enough to keep your competition busy recrafting/restocking.

I undercut randomly and heavily because id rather continue crafting by sheer volume which i find enjoyable instead of babysitting a retainerbell.

I genuinely enjoy the endless loop of crafting->fast listing+sales ->reacquire materials->repeat.

If someone's getting frustrated with being undercut I suggest diversifying what you make and gather.
People get too hung up on making/gathering only a few things.

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Originally Posted by SeanStealth

I’m not telling people what to do, that’s the issue here. I’m just stating what could be done.

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Here's another thing that can be done. Buy out the underpriced items. Problem solved.