Getting out of hand

Imagine opening a thread just to rant like this

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Originally Posted by RocciaSolida

Imagine opening a thread just to rant like this

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When we are at the level of critiquing the Devs due to how NPC's are responding to us...its time to step away for a time.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

8. Why do you have some many on blacklist?

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Are we playing the same game? lol

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Are we playing the same game? lol

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I rarely blacklist anyone. Dunno if this is a party finder thing or what but I just rarely run into the need to do it. RMT I don't bother but simply report. I remember when they used to send tells and going busy was a thing.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Are we playing the same game? lol

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I'm in the game since the Beta but managed to clear it all since it was mainly filled by RMT sellers (which don't need to be blacklisted anymore thanks to the report option).

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This player base is getting out of hand.


-Advertisements in party finder.
People constantly using party finder for selling art, "porn" and advertising opinions (not game related) as well as discord servers.

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I see you saw the player in the party finder selling feet pics hahaha

This is probably a troll but going to address the point about the forums. The reason people said alliance raids weren't raids is specifically in response to the post and/or following posts leveraging something the devs said about raids (8man) to defend his stance on alliance raids (24man). People were just correcting him.

Furthermore regarding the rest, the PF his hardly "littered" with junk parties offering clears, art, etc. etc. at best there are a handful that the GMs can't really do anything about because they don't openly advertise RMT or account sharing. The vast majority of PFs (VAST) are still regular PF groups.

The rest of the post I don't really have any opinion on.

I'm probably person 34567890 to bring this up though. I shall take my leave.

Ignoring most of the posts in here because good gods, so just to respond to the OP without assuming he's a troll (I'm sorry but this OP post is written like a pure troll)

1) Content Sellers: Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done on this part. The posts themselves in PF can be defended as the people selling runs for gil and requiring the person to actually be in the party. While we all know that is not true the evidence to the contrary is all in a third party source which SE cannot use as evidence which ties the hands of the GMs. While I heavily disagree with content selling (seriously what is the point? Bragging points? Talk about con artists) we just have to deal with the reality that they know how to get around being punished. This is the case in most MMOs.

2)Advertisements in Party Finders: For the most part things that are not blatantly violating the TOS are allowed, the GM's have said so themselves. And thankfully most of the people who use this don't clog it up by using certain listings to put themselves as high up on the PF as they can like the content sellers do. As someone on a RP server I don't really see the issue with this. Yes there are some cringey things but on Crystal it is utilized heavily to advertise RP events on the Data Center so perhaps I am a bit biased on this point. Either way for us it's not as bad as you're making it out to be, but alas perhaps it is on your Data Center.

3) There is no denying that the Forum community is definitely very different from the FF community as a whole. The bad apples and the trolls here definitely are more noticeable and congregate in larger numbers at times, though even with that I'm not quite certain I see it as too terrible. For the specific complaint here (which really should have just been brought up in that thread rather than being thrown into its own thread) that's not really a valid thing I see. Because the truth of the matter is that the poster was harping on the term raids and quoting the Devs when it is well known that the Devs use that number and terminology specifically for Extreme Trials and Savage Raids, not Normal Modes and Alliance Raids. Even further to the point there are indeed many things that are forced on you to complete the MSQ. ARR MSQ has you go back and do dungeons that up until then were optional, Guildhests as well. We are made to do countless Trials, many of which (looking at Shinryu and Tsukiyomi) are far more difficult than the CT series for the playerbase. I can't begin to count how many times I've seen threads asking for those trials to be nerfed because people simply could not complete them. Also most end game raiders have several, if not all, crafters at max to ensure they are able to stay top geared and repair in instance to avoid too many breaks from progression.

4) Okay this is complete bullox. I am sorry, I don't know who hurt you but talk about conspiracy theory. The Dev team cares, Yoshi quite a bit. They do their best and often try to beat Yoshi's expectations of them to ensure we get even more than we were supposed to. The NPC complain is just... yeah I don't even know how to respond to that one. Roulettes... they are a core mechanic of the game, every MMO has one and this is FF14's, this late in the game I doubt that will change. They explained Battle Leves were removed because they were vastly under utilized due to how little xp gain they gave, but buffing them would have made them too strong so they just opted to stop adding them. The Grand Company ranks I... don't even really see this as a complaint. They up it every time they come out with a new gimick or something to give that new rank. Having the rank just for the sake of having the rank is a bit... well... yeah I don't see why it would be a thing, there needs to be something to go with the rank. Even the dungeon complain I can't really agree with either. For the most part the one dungeon is enough, though I wish they left more in the Expert Roulette than they have. (Seriously if I get Grand Cosmos one more time I might scream). The Crafter and Gatherer revamps were needed for a long time, and this was the first time they've really been revamped since at least HW if not ARR. Since the addition of Specialist there really has been no big change to either, and lets be honest the cross class thing was annoying to all hell and needed to go asap anyway. And a lot of people have been asking for many changes. People have been begging for MCH revamp since they never could find its proper niche, and they managed to it this go around. PLD was in desperate need of additions and didn't get its best spot until SB. Balancing a game takes a lot of work and time, especially since the Devs do not want a mandatory make up. Yes we will find the meta regardless, but that meta is usually minuscule and not required to clear content.

For a split second I thought this was a TitanMen thread.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Are we playing the same game? lol

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I only block RMT spam for the most part back when they did tells back in the day. I think I may have one or two actual players on the black list.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This player base is getting out of hand...

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Quit being so damn melodramatic. Everything you listed in the OP is nothing new and has been going on since ARR released. And the only reason people are concerned with CT becoming mandatory is because they think raids = super hard content and they think that super hard content should not be mandatory. This is problematic, of course, because alliance raids (24 man raids) are stupid easy. It's becoming mandatory because of how the MSQ now has a LOT to do with Crystal Tower. It makes sense. Crafting in MSQ does NOT make sense. Don't be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

"The devs.... can't be bothered to make more content".

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Lol WHAT?! The devs are CONSTANTLY adding new content to the game on a regular basis, every 3 months or so. GC ranks are irrelevant to the game, Battle leves are terribly designed and needed to be taken out a long time ago, also one dungeon per patch to make room for other, more engaging content. As if dungeons are the highlight of FFXIV, LOL! Just because they make content YOU don't like, that doesn't mean they aren't adding ANY new content like you're suggesting. They're adding tons of content, if you don't like what they add, that's your own problem. The rest of the playerbase is happy with the new stuff we're getting. If you just want more of the same, go play something else. Meanwhile, I'll take whatever new stuff the devs have in mind, as this game definitely needs to be kept fresh, or people will get bored with it.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Like is the game suffereing that bad that none of the jobs or classes are balanced or fun, they have to completely remake every job and class every expansion?

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Lmao what??? This is normal, also mandatory, because if they didn't remake every job and class every expansion, we'd have crazy skill bloat. Too many skills, not enough room on hotbars for them. And I guarantee nobody has enough keybinds to utilize all 10 of their hotbars without clicking on them. So every expansion, they get revamped. Remember, people with controllers also play this game.

Are you a real person? Your thought process baffles me.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Its funny because its true. xD

Crafting revamp just made RMT bots job easier to earn GIL, and made it worse for all rest of players.
It was an ultimately unneeded and unfun thing they have implemented in the long time. Crafting is not fun, making gil is, but how in the hell are you going to make gil if the market if bloated with bots beating price on every single item?
The latest patches crafting based are complete waste of time and money, instead of more battle content 90% of players came for, nah lets make crafting for the niche minority that is doing it only for gil.
Also its really discouraging if you realize how much effort is being put in housing, instead of fixing viera and hrothgar issues, instead of giving us more hairstyles and upgrading the oldest character creator in mmorpg history how about you get some completely useless stuff into your house where you already cant place anymore items hmm?

Devs are doing everything in their power to not do stuff that majority is asking for, even fixing hilarious 2B glamour bugs took them a couple of months.

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Just so you're aware, there's a pandemic going on right now, and while the devs by rights shouldn't be working on the game at all right now, they are doing it anyway. People really should stop being entitled, because they at least deserve a thank you.
Also, crafting is not niche. Everyone has access to it and unlocks it at some point. Leveling crafters is easier than ever before, maybe you should give it a whirl. I used to fucking hate crafting, but Ishgardian Restoration made it SO much more bearable.
I'm also of the mind that Viera and Hrothgar should be genderlocked, and they should not be a priority. Specifically because there's no male Viera in FFXII nor are there female Ronso in FFX, and there's reasons for that. You keep bringing up stuff that's, like, extremely minor. Like upgrading the character creator? Who is actually asking for that? Besides, they do add more hairstyles on a regular basis, don't know why you would think otherwise. Housing needs special attention because of how awful the market is.

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Originally Posted by negiman4

Just so you're aware, there's a pandemic going on right now, and while the devs by rights shouldn't be working on the game at all right now, they are doing it anyway. People really should stop being entitled, because they at least deserve a thank you.

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I'm too new to really have much say in the content of the thread (Even though I've only been back for a couple days, I have seen a good chunk of gil sellers). But you come off as a bit aggressive, my personal suggestion, is fi you want people to take you seriously, and consider what you're saying, don't start off by insulting them.

Also, I'm pretty sure Square is having people work from home (Like most companies that are capable). Which has its issues, and is probably what is causing the delays. But its not like Square is putting people in danger, which is what your statement appears to be saying?

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Originally Posted by negiman4

Specifically because there's no male Viera in FFXII nor are there female Ronso in FFX, and there's reasons for that.

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The former is only technically correct: There are no male Viera NPCs in Final Fantasy 12. However, they do explicitly exist in the Ivalice setting's lore.
The latter is absolutely false. Not only are there multiple female Ronso in Final Fantasy 10, but you can interact with them and even recruit some of them onto your Blitzball team.

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Originally Posted by Klaleara

I'm too new to really have much say in the content of the thread (Even though I've only been back for a couple days, I have seen a good chunk of gil sellers). But you come off as a bit aggressive, my personal suggestion, is fi you want people to take you seriously, and consider what you're saying, don't start off by insulting them.

Also, I'm pretty sure Square is having people work from home (Like most companies that are capable). Which has its issues, and is probably what is causing the delays. But its not like Square is putting people in danger, which is what your statement appears to be saying?

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If I were suggesting that SE was putting people in danger, I wouldn't be saying they deserve to be thanked, obviously. They are working from home. They are still working on the game for us, despite the hard times we're going through right now, and we should be grateful for that. That's all I said. If you take offense to anything I said, that's your problem, not mine. Besides, the post wasn't even directed at you.

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Originally Posted by negiman4

If I were suggesting that SE was putting people in danger, I wouldn't be saying they deserve to be thanked, obviously. They are working from home. They are still working on the game for us, despite the hard times we're going through right now, and we should be grateful for that. That's all I said. If you take offense to anything I said, that's your problem, not mine. Besides, the post wasn't even directed at you.

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Never said I was offended, or the post was at me. Just me saying that the way your posts are structured, pretty much would just irritate who you're talking to, instead of actually potentially persuading them to see things in a different light. In the end provide zero productive influence over the thread, instead just throwing gasoline on a fire.

As for Covid, I certainly hope they are working. They are lucky to be a technology based company, where they can continue to work and make money safely at home. I do not believe Japan is one of the companies that suspended mortgage payments/bills in general. Either way, Covid is not really a reason to stop any critique. It's not like the OP is demanding a resolution by next week.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

-Forums.
The forums have almost always been pretty bad, but literally

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Stop making them literally bad Daniolaut. You list yourself as a level 1. Play the game first, then talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Klaleara

Never said I was offended, or the post was at me. Just me saying that the way your posts are structured, pretty much would just irritate who you're talking to, instead of actually potentially persuading them to see things in a different light. In the end provide zero productive influence over the thread, instead just throwing gasoline on a fire.

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Your notion that including a sassy quip in my post completely invalidates any real, productive points that I made is absolutely ridiculous. Again, if someone, regardless of who it is, chooses to only focus on mean words instead of actually take what is being said at face value, that's their problem. I had some real things to say, the fact that I was a little mean about it does not invalidate the rest of the post. Thanks

I agree that nothing gets done regarding RMT advertisements, such as the ones spammed in DF, but your delivery is awful.

I made the thread about raiding becoming less optional the OP is referencing. He’s right about all the semantics going on in that thread. It’s really stupid. Like arguing with a bunch of lawyers about what the word “is” is.

That said, I love this game (obviously) and this is one of the better communities I’ve been a part of.

The forums of any game are just weird. I made that thread knowing the kind of hate I was going to get. You just have to have a thick skin and understand that the forums represent less than 1% of the game’s population. Most people don’t post on forums anymore, especially with the advent of social media.

The in-game community is outstanding. The forum community is like any other. Kinda dumb.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I made the thread about raiding becoming less optional the OP is referencing. He’s right about all the semantics going on in that thread. It’s really stupid. Like arguing with a bunch of lawyers about what the word “is” is.

That said, I love this game (obviously) and this is one of the better communities I’ve been a part of.

The forums of any game are just weird. I made that thread knowing the kind of hate I was going to get.

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Oh, please. It is not "semantics". There's a real and HUGE difference between alliance raids and 8-man hardcore raids, and people like you lump em together as "raids" to spread panic that SE is going to start requiring people to be hardcore raiders in order to complete MSQ. Your title in that thread is intentionally misleading and you're trying to draw attention to such a non-issue that's only supposed to be a one-time deal because of the content of the MSQ's story. Then, when people tell you that you're worrying about nothing and that SE will never require you to raid to do MSQ, you're just like "lol haters gonna hate".

You're either willfully ignorant at best or intellectually dishonest at worst.

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Originally Posted by negiman4

You're either willfully ignorant at best or intellectually dishonest at worst.

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Pot, meet kettle. Also known as negiman4.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Pot, meet kettle. Also known as negiman4.

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Oh damn you got me fam. That stings, real bad.

As if you know what that expression even means, because you're using it wrong. Your post amounts to little more than "no u", because you have nothing of substance to come back with. I invite you to point out a single dishonest or ignorant post I've made. And "mean words I don't like" don't count. Meanwhile, just your previous post completely and intentionally misrepresents the conversation going on in the other thread. You know full well people aren't just arguing semantics, and you know full well that the difference between alliance raids and 8 man raids is crucial to the conversation. You don't actually believe SE is going to start requiring us to do random unrelated stuff for MSQ. Nobody is that dumb. But you'll just keep parroting this nonsense that people are just hating on you so you don't have to accept responsibility for making a thread that makes zero sense.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Its funny because its true. xD

Crafting revamp just made RMT bots job easier to earn GIL, and made it worse for all rest of players.
It was an ultimately unneeded and unfun thing they have implemented in the long time. Crafting is not fun, making gil is, but how in the hell are you going to make gil if the market if bloated with bots beating price on every single item?
The latest patches crafting based are complete waste of time and money, instead of more battle content 90% of players came for, nah lets make crafting for the niche minority that is doing it only for gil.
Also its really discouraging if you realize how much effort is being put in housing, instead of fixing viera and hrothgar issues, instead of giving us more hairstyles and upgrading the oldest character creator in mmorpg history how about you get some completely useless stuff into your house where you already cant place anymore items hmm?

Devs are doing everything in their power to not do stuff that majority is asking for, even fixing hilarious 2B glamour bugs took them a couple of months.

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I mean, everyone playing has different interests and priorities, it kinda comes with the MMO territory. I know people who've gone days in row doing nothing but crafting. Some people just enjoy it. Some people are here for the story and friends more than the combat. Giving more things to do is absolutely not, imo, a waste of time. Having an absolute ton of crap to do is a huge part of why I played WoW for 15 years, and the only reason I'm not anymore is because of some of the downright head scratching decisions Blizz has made over the last few years.

Also, effort into housing? The only effort I've seen is them adding more housing items, which they've always done, and while I do enjoy them greatly, the housing system itself is still an absolute freaking mess they've done close to nothing to address the core problems for, only slapping mediocre band-aid on top of mediocre band-aid. The actual improvements, while good, are few and far between. I agree the character creator needs an update, and the Viera and Hrothgar situation is one of the biggest negatives I have on this expansion right now, but let's not pretend any of that effort is going into housing of all places.

I don't agree with everything the dev team is doing, and in fact disagree with their choices and stance on several things, but I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say they don't care about the game.

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Originally Posted by negiman4

Oh damn you got me fam. That stings, real bad.

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It certainly seems that way, yes. Judging by the weirdly angry drivel you just assaulted your keyboard with.

You’re being willfully ignorant (and accusing me of being the same) and antagonistic, which seems to be your MO to everyone. If you have anything of actual substance to say other then, essentially, “I don’t like your opinion, it’s stupid and so are you,” I’d be happy to point out exactly why you’re wrong in this instance.

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Originally Posted by Lium

It certainly seems that way, yes. Judging by the weirdly angry drivel you just assaulted your keyboard with.

You’re being willfully ignorant (and accusing me of being the same) and antagonistic, which seems to be your MO to everyone. If you have anything of actual substance to say other then, essentially, “I don’t like your opinion, it’s stupid and so are you,” I’d be happy to point out exactly why you’re wrong in this instance.

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Speculation is by nature inherently wrong until the thing happens and it is proven right. Your speculation is wrong until the devs prove you right. So you have nothing to point out here.

And yes, you're being willfully ignorant. Because one would only compare 24-man raids to Savage raids, if they were completely clueless about the difficulty of both.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Speculation is by nature inherently wrong until the thing happens and it is proven right. Your speculation is wrong until the devs prove you right. So you have nothing to point out here.

And yes, you're being willfully ignorant. Because one would only compare 24-man raids to Savage raids, if they were completely clueless about the difficulty of both.

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Uh...wait. Who was comparing 24-man raids to Savage raids? Where did I ever bring that up?

Confirmed troll, Lium.

It's just kinda been like that forever.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

-Content Sellers.
Which is a direct violation of the terms of service. Both for RMT, as well as account data sharing.

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You might have to clear up what you mean. From what Ive seen, selling clears for gil and the like isnt against ToS. That being said, if they want to be "On your account" to get teh clear, thats on the end user. I dunno who is willing to share their account with a complete stranger and hope it doesnt get jacked or deleted. You play with fire and it burns you, thats on you.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

-Advertisements in party finder.
People constantly using party finder for selling art, "porn" and advertising opinions (not game related) as well as discord servers.

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Ive never seen this. Ever. Maybe its a new trend, but I have never seen anyone advertise to me when I joined a party or in DF. If its in the PF lists, I just ignore them. Yeah itd be nice to clean up the PF of that garbage, but its such a minor issue I dont personally care, as Im sure most people dont.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

-Forums.
The forums have almost always been pretty bad, but literally, this person recently posts about "raids becoming less optional." Instead of discussing how content is becoming less optional the thread is hijacked by people saying Alliance raids are not raids. Like seriously? Who cares, the person didnt say "alliance raids are too hard" they said, that its no longer an option. Which if you want to do just the story, you should be able to. Nothing else is forced on you. You dont have to do FATEs, or Leves, or crafting to complete the story. Imagine if everything became required to complete to progress the story. I bet you'd all be complaining. Imagine end game raiders being forced to get all max level crafters and participate in Ishgard restoration, and Eureka just to unlock a raid, you'd all be crying to no end. You all complain having to do the story in the first place already.

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Any mainstream social media discussion platform is gonna have a lot of cancer. As vocal as I am about my personal feelings, I also fully understand that I am only one person in a crowd of people who dont even make up a fraction of the player base. If you go to Reddit or OF here, dont expect to be given sound arguments, good tips, pro strats, or anything else. Half of what is mentioned here on the OFs is either lacking context, misunderstandings (read: User Error), or just plain malicious stupidity made to get a rise out of people. Hell, this thread is probably the same too. Point is, dont get worked up about the OFs. Pick your battles if you want to have them (and I said IF you have them, not when you have them).

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

-Development team.
Even the dev team doesnt care anymore. The NPCs all turn, laugh, wave, at the exact same time like sync'd robots, and every roulette is the same thing over and over, cause they cant be bothered to make more content. Its been 7 years and we've only gotten 2 Grand Company ranks, and dont get anymore battle leves, only one dungeon per patch, but we keep getting job and now crafter and gatheirng revamps. Like is the game suffereing that bad that none of the jobs or classes are balanced or fun, they have to completely remake every job and class every expansion? Who is even asking for these changes?

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This is a completely subjective. Yes, the devs have a formula. Guess what, most companies do. They find what works and streamline for it. Is it always best? No, but were talking about creating a consistent production schedule with content that has wide appeal, while developing a new xpac, while correcting past issues, or condensing skills and tweaking balance to be inline for new content and mechanics. My issue here is that youre over simplifying and frankly not giving enough credit to the devs. Do I always agree with the direction the devs take? No. I have gripes too, but at least I try to think about what their position is too and offer quality feedback when possible.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This player base is getting out of hand.

Party finder is littered with

-Content Sellers.

-Advertisements in party finder.

-Forums.

-Development Team

Seriously.

And GM's dont do a single thing to combat these crazy party finders. Its only going to get worse.

Cant wait till this game stops releasing expansions so the playerbase gets back to people who actually care about the game, and arent here to exploit it.

Would be nice to get double the blacklist size. Thanks.

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The Party Finder issue is an old one. I actually don't care about content selling, advertisements or even static posts if they DIDN'T MISUSE THE LABEL SYSTEM SO THEIR STUPID JUNK APPEARS AT THE TOP.

People advertising for in-game events is fine and I encourage it. But again, I don't want it junking up the list for people who actually want to do the content they have listed. Pet peeve right there.

The only raids that will be cannon are CT raids. And the community made its own bed there by constantly cheating the system to get them for Roulette (though not always--they like to come up completely randomly too). I kind of agree with this choice because the storyline is relavent now, but I have a suspicion they'll make the cutscenes unskipable like regular MSQ. If they do, I'm going to laugh because it serves a large portion of the community right.

These forums are mild. Im almost certain the system is entirely based on how many reports a post gets before an actual mod will respond. That's pretty standard but its also a system that is regularly abused IMO.

When they stop making expansions/content it will mean slow death for this game. i agree the GC system needs some love but we'll see what happens after the patch.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

The only raids that will be cannon are CT raids. And the community made its own bed there by constantly cheating the system to get them for Roulette (though not always--they like to come up completely randomly too). I kind of agree with this choice because the storyline is relavent now, but I have a suspicion they'll make the cutscenes unskipable like regular MSQ. If they do, I'm going to laugh because it serves a large portion of the community right.

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Would need new 15 min long cutscenes before each boss for it to be truly karmic though :P

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

The only raids that will be cannon are CT raids. And the community made its own bed there by constantly cheating the system to get them for Roulette (though not always--they like to come up completely randomly too). I kind of agree with this choice because the storyline is relavent now, but I have a suspicion they'll make the cutscenes unskipable like regular MSQ. If they do, I'm going to laugh because it serves a large portion of the community right.

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Was under the impression that all the raids are canon, just that theyre more side content (unlike lets say seasonal).

I mean other than CT, Omega Weapon and Alexander are directly relevant to the MSQ as without Alex or Omega weapon, there is no way for CT to have traveled to the first as the data collected from both those raids allowed Cid and the ironworks to create the thing in the bottom of CT.

Beyond that, voidark, rabanastar and the like is tangentially related to the MSQ through passing. So its all canon. Just it never was required moving forward in the MSQ.

In regards to that though, this just feels like a non issue in the end. It's not like every single raid is a "must" now, just the single one that is directly and inextricably related to the MSQ for ShB

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Was under the impression that all the raids are canon, just that theyre more side content (unlike lets say seasonal).

I mean other than CT, Omega Weapon and Alexander are directly relevant to the MSQ as without Alex or Omega weapon, there is no way for CT to have traveled to the first as the data collected from both those raids allowed Cid and the ironworks to create the thing in the bottom of CT.

Beyond that, voidark, rabanastar and the like is tangentially related to the MSQ through passing. So its all canon. Just it never was required moving forward in the MSQ.

In regards to that though, this just feels like a non issue in the end. It's not like every single raid is a "must" now, just the single one that is directly and inextricably related to the MSQ for ShB

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Oh certainly. But it's not a main plot point for an entire expansion like CT is now. It too was side story content but is now main story content due to certain reveals in ShB. That's why I don't see the others becoming MSQ or mandatory like CT. I'm calling them canon but I really meant Main Canon. Where the others are side content.

Raids are becoming less optional because there is only one dungeon per patch now

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Great community might be not that great
Someone already telling you to unsub, that's golden.

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Probably because OP is making a lot of these threads.

Ever since coming back to ff14 I have not had any negative issues with the community besides gold selling bots...but what mmo doesn't have those. Then again I was playing WoW and well that community....oofh...I am also on goblin and Goblin apparently is famous for having a pretty nice community.

-shrug-