What ability is this, and what class uses it?

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Originally Posted by Totobi

It's simple. Just because an ability is shown in a cutscene, doesn't mean a player has to have it too. You remember the elezen who summoned a fleet of ghost ships? Yeah, Thaumaturge should be able to do that too.

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Oh I get it now. I had actually forgot what I was talking about in this thread so now it makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Sorry to burst your bubble but that was a gladiator.

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So you mean to say the guy jumping through the air pulling Kunai out of nowhere (and in 3's) was a gladiator? I do not believe you...

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Originally Posted by Rjain

I read that paragraph about 10 times over and I did not understand one thing you just said. It's like you purposely threw jargon at me (that I happen to know fortunately) to try and make a point but it made absolutely no sense. But I'm not just going to be mean and give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually had something meaningful to say... in which case, could someone please translate this?

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I'm afraid that's not my fault. The explanation was quite clear, and in fact others understood it with no problems.

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Originally Posted by Reika

So you mean to say the guy jumping through the air pulling Kunai out of nowhere (and in 3's) was a gladiator? I do not believe you...

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Those were throwing daggers, which is a gladiator weapon. The weapon by his side is a dagger, which is a gladiator weapon.

Now, one might argue the weapons by their sides don't denote what they are since they're NPCs, but that wouldn't make sense. Why? There's already tons of arcanist/musketeer NPCs with their weapons, so why not give the quest NPCs the proper weapons?

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Now, one might argue the weapons by their sides don't denote what they are since they're NPCs, but that wouldn't make sense. Why? There's already tons of arcanist/musketeer NPCs with their weapons, so why not give the quest NPCs the proper weapons?

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Which brings us back to the main point. Whether that NPC was or was not a ninja (marginal), there are NPCs in the game that belong to classes that at the moment aren't available to the player. For what we know they could even belong to a class available to the player, but be higher than the current level cap.
Or even more probably that ability has just be added for scenic effect, which is the whole point behind a cutscene. Showing something that can't be shown during normal gameplay.
I would say that there's nothing wrong with it.

So I just watched the video on you-tube again and noticed that he does not have a dagger at his side... And I dont think "Rain of Blades" will ever be a gladiator skill.

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Originally Posted by Reika

So I just watched the video on you-tube again and noticed that he does not have a dagger at his side...

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Can you share the link to that video?

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Originally Posted by Totobi

Can you share the link to that video?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z83ZiqzTREk

Oh and his armor is TOTALLY un-gladiator like. like... Totally. more like... Ninja.
Back to the topic at hand, we see in this video various abilities from classes we dont have yet. I cant say much about the Pug or taru yet. But the Miqo'te and Hyur guy definantly had newer abilities.

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Originally Posted by Reika

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z83ZiqzTREk

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Careful, big spoilers in that video, watch at your own risk.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Supposedly its a Conj ability we don't have yet seeing as its the same one used in the opening movie by the lalafell Conjurer.

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I'd love to use that kind of spell o.o...

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Originally Posted by viion

all npcs get more exciting spells than us.

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Agreed, and I find it unfair.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

All people do is bitch off BelgianRofl as being a troll but out of most of the people here who try to justify a point, he makes some of the best points out of everyone. People need to be more objective and get a better sense of humour.

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Agreed with this post.

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Originally Posted by Valiance

That's what happens when you start trolling. Any valid point/legitimate concern a person has after that is automatically overlooked and/or people lessen its value. He made his own bed.

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Agreed too. Read and learn people.

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Originally Posted by Shadowskill

The Lalafel in the opening movie does the same move, only thing that could explain this. would be a short term barrier (not in game atm from looks of what we have). Could very well be unimplemented ideas the game may or may not offer later on, kind of like the enhancement for the Flaming arrow (also from the opening movie).

May just be spells/abilities we can look forward to seeing, or just enhanced visuals. There are few more things that stand out then just those two effects though.

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I should watch the intro again I think I missed that moment.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

The only thing SE is good for is making exciting cutscenes. Everyone who's anyone knows their games are total crap to play.

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Agreed TOTALLY. ...But hey their games are addictive too :P

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Careful, big spoilers in that video, watch at your own risk.

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Alright I'm not gonna watch it, was going to but not now, the one that posted the video should add a spoiler tag thing.

If Final Fantasy gameplay took a cue from its own cutscenes, more people might actually play it.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

If Final Fantasy gameplay took a cue from its own cutscenes, more people might actually play it.

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That's much easier said than done. If gameplay could really keep up with cutscenes in most games there would be *no* cutscenes.

The only valid way I've seen used so far is turning a large part of gameplay in quicktime events, and quicktime events are utterly despised by a large part of the playerbase (and I can already see how much hate they'd generate in a MMORPG, as people would accuse the developer of taking control away from them).
There are also finishers, but Age of Conan demonstrated that they really add nothing to gameplay, and they become boring after a very short while.

There's a world of difference between Belgianrofl's posting style and giving valid criticism, which if there IS any of, it's tucked away between a very thick layer of vitriol and needless bashing.

"This is bullocks, SE. You're all bullocks for making it, and you'll never be more than bullocks."

"But guys, if we're not THIS hard on them, then they'll never improve!"

...If this isn't the gist of 70% of his posts, then I'll eat crow.

They're funny to read at least, although I'd hardly take anything mentioned in them at face value were I a dev.

Self-edited for "family friendliness", because people take issue with using the vernacular appropriate for the situation.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's much easier said than done. If gameplay could really keep up with cutscenes in most games there would be *no* cutscenes.

The only valid way I've seen used so far is turning a large part of gameplay in quicktime events, and quicktime events are utterly despised by a large part of the playerbase (and I can already see how much hate they'd generate in a MMORPG, as people would accuse the developer of taking control away from them).
There are also finishers, but Age of Conan demonstrated that they really add nothing to gameplay, and they become boring after a very short while.

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Take apart the events in a cutscene and you have basic things like: interesting skills with a highly visual animation, battle system where positioning matters, fast response times.

FFXIV battle system is very mathematical. Half the time you're just balancing stats and that's the problem. SE should start looking at their own cutscenes and using that as a model for their gameplay, rather than looking at their own gameplay and using that as their model.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

Take apart the events in a cutscene and you have basic things like: interesting skills with a highly visual animation, battle system where positioning matters, fast response times.

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What makes them spectacular isn't only the basic animation, but the direction, the camera angles, the music, the linking between those animations. It's not really possible to do that outside of a directed cutscene, besides with quicktime events.

They actually did something kinda akin to that with FInal Fantasy XIII, but to achieve that they had to remove part of the control from the player.

The more specific an animation is, the less adaptable it is to the environment and to the other mobiles. This means that the most spectacular animations simply cannot be in player control, because the player needs to be able to use all his tools in every area of the game.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

They actually did something kinda akin to that with Final Fantasy XIII, but to achieve that they had to remove part of the control from the player.

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And we all know the shitstorm that caused, and yet people here are going nuts FOR an auto-attack.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

And we all know the shitstorm that caused, and yet people here are going nuts FOR an auto-attack.

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Yep. I actually *liked* that combat system by the way. It was pretty tactical if used in it's deepest options, but i would definitely have quite a lot of trouble even figuring out how to apply even parts of it to a MMO.

I'm thinking thats an arcanist skill because y'shtola uses it

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Originally Posted by Reika

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z83ZiqzTREk

Oh and his armor is TOTALLY un-gladiator like. like... Totally. more like... Ninja.
Back to the topic at hand, we see in this video various abilities from classes we dont have yet. I cant say much about the Pug or taru yet. But the Miqo'te and Hyur guy definantly had newer abilities.

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Can you tell me the time in where you see the ninja so I don't spoil myself? :)

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Originally Posted by Xeno

Can you tell me the time in where you see the ninja so I don't spoil myself? :)

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For some reason I read "soil"... And Nephera, you need to stop making me giggle with that signature.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

For some reason I read "soil"... And Nephera, you need to stop making me giggle with that signature.

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probably that too XD

The "ninja" class in question is that guy in white you run into at the start of the Uld story line. brings up a question, Anyone that started in Uld with a crafter... how did that guy fight the Goobbue? would pretty much show what style he is if it is GLA or a class we are yet to obtain.

Shadow Skill was an awesome anime..