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Originally Posted by SamRF

By the way, isn't it possible to buy gametime cards elsewhere? I know there used to be sites where you could buy ffxiv sub card, I wonder if those prices may be better adjusted to your region?

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The only place I know there are gametime cards available would be Amazon that has a brazilian marketplace now.
Good hint though, I'll go look it up!

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Hmm, nope, you don't get to tell me what to do. Who do you think you are, anyway?

Look, the OPs request is ridiculous because, amongst all his sugar coating, he wants to pay less than everyone else, on account of the crumby currency for the country he has chosen to live in. As a Canadian, my dollar has always been below USD. So I've always paid more in my local currency (here, new release games are $80 instead of the USD $60). Never once whined about it and never will, because I understand if I want to enjoy products and services, I have to pay more until the CAD comes out of the dumpster.

So, no, the OP and others can pay the same as anyone else. That's life.

Special snowflake syndrome is getting worse.

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I haven't chosen to live in Brazil, matter of fact I got one visa request denied to New Zealand.
I speak 3 languages and am pretty sure I can work myself out starting from 0 but there's something called Visa and other bureaucratic things that don't allow me to do so.

We are for sure talking about different things and you're running away from the thread real discussion.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

People always forget about 'Steam versions' that Valve get a cut.

Do you think Valve would allow you to transfer your Steam version and miss put on their cut.

You can say the opposite and should SE surrender their all their sub to Valve.

It's time to wake up and blame greedy Valve and not publishers.

Stop insisting on a Steam version of everything.

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Can you clarify me why would Valve be the greedy one offering regional prices?
I'm not been ironic or something by the way, real question.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Where did he state that he wants to pay less than everyone else? There are already people that pay less due to using Steam. And region price adjustments would help everyone in said region to pay the sub, not just one person.

Since when does one choose which country they are born in? Not everyone is rich enough to just go and live where they want.
Just because you are okay with paying half of your salary to play a game doesn't mean everyone is. For a time the subscribtion to FFXIV costed me my entire salary forcing me to abandon one of my favorite games.

Now imagine all these unhappy people leaving the game because they can't afford it. SE will lose players and they will lose money. It's in their best interest to adjust prices in certain regions.

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I see people are really bad at currency conversion.

The OP wants regional pricing. So, taking the entry-level subscription price of $12.99, he wants to pay 12.99 BRL, which is equivalent to roughly $2.67 USD, because that fits better in with his currency. So, how can this be contrived in any other way than he wants to pay less than everyone else? Everyone else pays $12.99 USD for an entry-level sub, and he wants to get away with $2.67. It's ridiculous.

I must have forgot that all immigrants are rich. Oh, wait, they're not. If he chooses to remain in his country, that's his choice, and completely reflective of his wealth. When you make that choice, don't expect the world to bend over backwards for you; that's special snowflake syndrome at its worst.

Remember, video games are a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford it, find another hobby.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Everyone pays the same subscription. You're complaining about paying the same as someone else.

Grow up, and decide to pay it or not. The game is a privilege, not a right.

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We don’t all pay the same subscription. Legacy accounts have a subscription discount, due to them playing in 1.0.

I think BR players should get a discount, simply because they cannot play the game the way it’s intended. There’s no BR servers, so they have much higher ping, which makes the game less enjoyable.

Anyway, I think OP means more in terms of not how much money the sub is, but what you can usually buy for that amount in BR. For the cost of FF14 sub, I can get 2 large meals at a fast food restaurant, in BR you could probably buy much much more.

I’d personally would like to pay my sub with the usd price, rather than eu price. The sub in EU is $12.99. In the US, it’s $12.99 usd. Europeans are actually paying more than Americans, 12.99 EU is worth $14 usd

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

We don’t all pay the same subscription. Legacy accounts have a subscription discount, due to them playing in 1.0.

I think BR players should get a discount, simply because they cannot play the game the way it’s intended. There’s no BR servers, so they have much higher ping, which makes the game less enjoyable.

Anyway, I think OP means more in terms of not how much money the sub is, but what you can usually buy for that amount in BR. For the cost of FF14 sub, I can get a large meal at a fast food restaurant, in BR you could probably buy much much more.

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Yes, you absolutely can buy much more in BR for the same amount, and that's a choice the OP has to make. But do you know what's going to happen again (because it happened once before) if BR got regional pricing? All the VPNs and address spoofers will come out, and a huge amount of non-BR players will start paying in BR, giving S-E a fraction of the revenue that they would otherwise get.

It does not work. It cannot work. Either you pay in USD or you don't. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

It does not work. It cannot work. Either you pay in USD or you don't. It's that simple.

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No it’s not. I don’t pay in usd, they make me pay in EU, and it sucks.
I pay $2.50 NZD more just because they think 12.99 EU is equal to 12.99 usd.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

I see people are really bad at currency conversion.

The OP wants regional pricing. So, taking the entry-level subscription price of $12.99, he wants to pay 12.99 BRL, which is equivalent to roughly $2.67 USD, because that fits better in with his currency. So, how can this be contrived in any other way than he wants to pay less than everyone else? Everyone else pays $12.99 USD for an entry-level sub, and he wants to get away with $2.67. It's ridiculous.

I must have forgot that all immigrants are rich. Oh, wait, they're not. If he chooses to remain in his country, that's his choice, and completely reflective of his wealth. When you make that choice, don't expect the world to bend over backwards for you; that's special snowflake syndrome at its worst.

Remember, video games are a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford it, find another hobby.

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Thats absolutely not what I'm saying.
And again, staying in your country is not a choice.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Yes, you absolutely can buy much more in BR for the same amount, and that's a choice the OP has to make. But do you know what's going to happen again (because it happened once before) if BR got regional pricing? All the VPNs and address spoofers will come out, and a huge amount of non-BR players will start paying in BR, giving S-E a fraction of the revenue that they would otherwise get.

It does not work. It cannot work. Either you pay in USD or you don't. It's that simple.

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Steam accounts pay with their regional currency by the way.

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Originally Posted by yTony

Thats absolutely not what I'm saying.
And again, staying in your country is not a choice.

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So the millions of people who immigrated over the years is a lie?

Good to know.

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Originally Posted by yTony

Thats absolutely not what I'm saying.
And again, staying in your country is not a choice.

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^ True facts right there. You cannot just move to a country whenever, there’s a lot of time, and money which goes into immigration. My husband just recently became an NZ resident, it took him 3 years, thousands of dollars, and if his health was worse (If you are born with a health condition, SOMETHING YOU CANNOT CHOOSE, depending on the condition, countries won’t let you stay), he simply wouldn’t of been allowed to immigrate. If he ran out of money for the immigration fees? His visa would lapse, and they’d kick him out of the country, as simple as that.

People get stuck in their countries if they don’t have the money or health to immigrate.
I’m mean, sure people who are poor can cross borders and then stay, but it’s usually illegal.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

So the millions of people who immigrated over the years is a lie?

Good to know.

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Are you encouraging people to illegally immigrate?
Good to know.

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Originally Posted by yTony

Are you encouraging people to illegally immigrate?
Good to know.

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Your revisionist history claims all immigration is illegal?

Good to know.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Your revisionist history claims all immigration is illegal?

Good to know.

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Given the information I provided and others people point of view, immigration is clearly not a simple choice, more likely to be an opportunity. And yet you're here trying to deny it somehow.
Again, this is not the subject of the thread.

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Originally Posted by yTony

Given the information I provided and others people point of view, immigration is clearly not a simple choice, more likely to be an opportunity. And yet you're here trying to deny it somehow.
Again, this is not the subject of the thread.

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Immigration is a choice, in the same way that your decision to pay the sub fee or not is the choice.

No matter how many sweet, honeyed words you use, you won't get special snowflake treatment .

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Oh, boy, there is a lot of entitlement here. You don't get special treatment because you've played the game for X time. You either can afford the subscription and play, or you can't afford it and you don't.

That's it.

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The issue is not entitlement. It's currencies being adjusted only by the rate of the US dollar. For south america the dollar is very strong and this translates into to high sub prices for them as their own currency is weak when translated to dollars.

It's kind of like language translation. It's gonna be stupid if you always do it directly.

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Originally Posted by yTony

Given the information I provided and others people point of view, immigration is clearly not a simple choice, more likely to be an opportunity. And yet you're here trying to deny it somehow.
Again, this is not the subject of the thread.

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The guy is either an insecure troll or an insecure as well as ignorant person, stop giving him attention I'd say until he learns to give his arguments in respectable manner.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

The issue is not entitlement. It's currencies being adjusted only by the rate of the US dollar. For south america the dollar is very strong and this translates into to high sub prices for them as their own currency is weak when translated to dollars.

It's kind of like language translation. It's gonna be stupid if you always do it directly.

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Direct currency translation may appear nonsensical for the consumer, it is the only practical decision for business, especially online. When a company turns regional pricing on, so, so many customers setup a VPN and pay via the weakest possible currency. Which means significantly less dollars to the company for whoever does it, which is many.

Every business sets a dollar value for their product or service, and the only way to survive is to do a direct translation. Otherwise you're just leaving way too much money on the table.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Direct currency translation may appear nonsensical for the consumer, it is the only practical decision for business, especially online. When a company turns regional pricing on, so, so many customers setup a VPN and pay via the weakest possible currency. Which means significantly less dollars to the company for whoever does it, which is many.

Every business sets a dollar value for their product or service, and the only way to survive is to do a direct translation. Otherwise you're just leaving way too much money on the table.

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Are there that many people really going through the trouble of using VPN for that? WoW has region adjusted pricing for their sub and I'm pretty sure they offer cheaper subs in Brazil. They're doing that to maximize their profit, and they probably know what they're doing being the highest populated MMO for a while now.

The only good reason I could see SE not following suit with Blizzard is that there isn't a big enough market in Brazil for FFXIV to "risk" lowering the fee.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

Are there that many people really going through the trouble of using VPN for that? WoW has region adjusted pricing for their sub and I'm pretty sure they offer cheaper subs in Brazil. They're doing that to maximize their profit, and they probably know what they're doing being the highest populated MMO for a while now.

The only good reason I could see SE not following suit with Blizzard is that there isn't a big enough market in Brazil for FFXIV to "risk" lowering the fee.

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Yes, there has been when other companies have done this in the past. Most internet users have a VPN already, since there is no reason not to have one, and every reason to have one. So, if you regularly pay for this game, and you can use your existing VPN to pay a fraction of the cost, why wouldn't you?

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Yes, there has been when other companies have done this in the past. Most internet users have a VPN already, since there is no reason not to have one, and every reason to have one. So, if you regularly pay for this game, and you can use your existing VPN to pay a fraction of the cost, why wouldn't you?

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It's going to be debatable. I can see both VPN abuse and overpriced regional subs leading to lower profits. It comes down to numbers in the end. Whichever path leads to more profit is the path that should be taken here imo so I'm with you on that. Still can't ignore the fact that Steam and other games offer regional fees, what OP is requesting doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

(besides: I called you a troll earlier because you kept using snowflake and sugar coating accusation. If you had simply presented your argument like you have here, it would have sounded much more convincing and compelling)

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Originally Posted by SamRF

(besides: I called you a troll earlier because you kept using snowflake and sugar coating accusation. If you had simply presented your argument like you have here, it would have sounded much more convincing and compelling)

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You really have an inflated sense of self-importance if you think you can talk to people like that. :/

I'm fully in favor of this.
I mean, it's pretty clear they already do regional pricing, when it means they can make more money...

I've been paying in euros since day one, which really just means we Europeans have been paying more than Americans have since day one.

Rather than, as a certain someone on this thread is doing, claim all americans should pay 14,50 $ (the equivalent to 12,99 €), I am, rather, demonstrating that regional pricing already does exist.

Of course, I wouldn't mind if they decreased prices in Europe (in the name of fairness, right?), but likewise I wouldn't mind if they decreased prices in other nations where it would certainly make a difference to the paying customer.



Why there'd be people upset that those in less fortunate places than us be allowed the same opportunity to enjoy the things we do, I will never understand.

It is rather... repugnant.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

I see people are really bad at currency conversion.

The OP wants regional pricing. So, taking the entry-level subscription price of $12.99, he wants to pay 12.99 BRL, which is equivalent to roughly $2.67 USD, because that fits better in with his currency. So, how can this be contrived in any other way than he wants to pay less than everyone else? Everyone else pays $12.99 USD for an entry-level sub, and he wants to get away with $2.67. It's ridiculous.

I must have forgot that all immigrants are rich. Oh, wait, they're not. If he chooses to remain in his country, that's his choice, and completely reflective of his wealth. When you make that choice, don't expect the world to bend over backwards for you; that's special snowflake syndrome at its worst.

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You keep saying "everyone else", "everyone else". NOT everyone pays the SAME sub.
In my country people that play through Steam pay 3.99 USD monthly for FFXIV. 3.99 USD, CARL! Compared to the usual 12.99 it's unreal.
Tell me people already don't pay low prices for their subs depending on their region.

You need money to immigrate: for the visa, for the tickets, for a place to stay, for things that are necessary to live until you find a job in a new place. You may be rich enough to think this is pocket change but some people, just like me, have been trying to save enough money for years just to move to another country. I still don't even have a half of what I need. So don't tell me that immigration is that simple and cheap.

This was already discussed once before you know

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nt#post4403617

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Originally Posted by Rannie

This was already discussed once before you know

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nt#post4403617

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The thing is that this is all about Steam. Steam prices are fine and they are region based. But we have no option to switch our regular account to a Steam account.
None of us want to lose everything we gained in-game over the years just to start from scratch with a Steam account.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Immigration is a choice, in the same way that your decision to pay the sub fee or not is the choice.

No matter how many sweet, honeyed words you use, you won't get special snowflake treatment .

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How to spot someone who has no idea that they're in a privileged position.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Immigration is a choice, in the same way that your decision to pay the sub fee or not is the choice.

No matter how many sweet, honeyed words you use, you won't get special snowflake treatment .

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Tangentially related~

My husband is Brazilian. I am American. We've been married more than six years now and the first five of those we lived in BR. We decided to move back to the States in early 2019. Even with us being married and he getting more or less 'automatic' approval for a green card, we've been waiting 13 months for final approval for him since we started filing paperwork. We've shelled out nearly $3,000.00 dollars for associated fees (some paid directly to the government, some for related things like his required physical or translating all of his documents to English.) And we're talking mountains of complicated forms to fill out and needing to produce just about every official document either of us have ever been issued in our entire lives. If we wanted to hire an immigration lawyer to smooth the process out, rock bottom price we were able to find was $5,000.00 and that's in addition to all the aforementioned fees. I can't even imagine what it must be like for people starting from scratch and trying to immigrate to the US legally, without an American family member or a huge pile of cash.

Frankly sir, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually on topic~

I sympathize with you OP, but I think it's unlikely that SE will do anything unless a large enough portion of the playerbase raises hell and/or drops their sub. SE used to have regional pricing in BR but back in July(ish) of 2017 they decided to ninja-remove for nearly all their foreign markets. It took them days to even acknowledge the change and weeks of sustained outcry and a huge drop in review score before they mollified people by going back to the original pricing for a couple of months to 'give people notice' prior to it changing again.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Hmm, nope, you don't get to tell me what to do. WhO dO yOu ThInK yOu ArE aNyWaY?

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Oh don't worry, i know i'm a nobody, just like anyone else.
As long as you keep acting like a troll with your condescending tone, you will be treated as one.
Like you said it so well ; That's life.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

I see people are really bad at currency conversion.

The OP wants regional pricing. So, taking the entry-level subscription price of $12.99, he wants to pay 12.99 BRL, which is equivalent to roughly $2.67 USD, because that fits better in with his currency. So, how can this be contrived in any other way than he wants to pay less than everyone else? Everyone else pays $12.99 USD for an entry-level sub, and he wants to get away with $2.67. It's ridiculous.

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You are either a really bad troll, or someone that has neither clue nor empathy. And here I thought Canadians are considered the nicest people. I think we found the exception.

OP is not asking "to pay less than everybody else".
He is asking exactly the opposite: to pay as much as everybody else. And if you really think you can compare canadian dollar with BRL here to prove your point, you are beyond crazy. Yes, in your grand scheme of things he would be paying less than you. But he also does not have a canadian income. Is it too much to ask that FF14 takes like 5% of your salary instead of 50%? If anyone is currently paying less than everybody else (compared to salary, because in no way can you leave that fact out of your argumentation) then it's probably NA, and a few European countries. A bit hypocritical, aren't we?

Not going to argue with you about the chances, possibilities, money and effort needed to move to a different country. I wonder if some people have actually seen the world or just read about it in a book while living behind the moon.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Everyone pays the same subscription.

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First of all: no, we don't. Japan, NA, EU and UK regions have different prices in Mog Station to begin with, and the rates aren't 100% equall (despite that, the % that sub costs to wage in those countries is similar). 1.0 players have a discount for a sub. Some countries have discounts for playing trough Steam.

Second: Subscription is "Same" when "sub/minimum wage * 100% for country A = sub/minimum wage * 100% for country B".

(Brazil and Russia were both losing regional sub in the beginning of SB, so I will bring them both up).
Brazilian minimum wage: 1045 BRL/Month, which is 218,09 USD as per today. What was the sub for NA region again? 12,99 USD? 12,99/218,09 * 100% = 5,9%
Russian minimum wage (Russia is considered EU region, so will move it to EUR): 12130 RUB/Month, which is 150,25 EUR as per today. EU sub is 12,99 EUR, so 12,99/150,25 = 8,64%

And now there is US, EU, Canada and Japan
Canadian minimum wage: 11,06 CAD/Hour, which will make for about 2123,52 CAD/Month, if you work 24 days and 8 hours. Which is 1534,78 USD. 12,99/1534,78 * 100% = 0,85%.
Germany & France minimum wage (both are about the same, according to Google): ~1550 EUR. 12,99/1550 * 100% = 0,83%
UK minimum wage: 1524 EUR, which does about 1357,44 GBP. UK sub is 8,99 GBP. 8,99/1357,44 * 100% = 0,66%
US minimum wage: 7,25 USD/Hour, which with 8 hours/24 days will do 1392 USD. 12,99/1392 * 100% = 0,93%
Japan minimum wage: 874 JPY/Hour, which with 8 hours/24 days will do 167808 JPY. JP sub is 1408 JPY. 1408/167808 * 100% = 0,83%

Does it mean that 12,99$ is not much for EU or NA or Canada or JP players? No, it doesn't. I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that struggle to pay this sub. But there is significant difference between "more than 5% of wage" and "less than 1% of wage". We don't pay the same.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

First of all: no, we don't. Japan, NA, EU and UK regions have different prices in Mog Station to begin with, and the rates aren't 100% equall (despite that, the % that sub costs to wage in those countries is similar). 1.0 players have a discount for a sub. Some countries have discounts for playing trough Steam.

Second: Subscription is "Same" when "sub/minimum wage * 100% for country A = sub/minimum wage * 100% for country B".

(Brazil and Russia were both losing regional sub in the beginning of SB, so I will bring them both up).
Brazilian minimum wage: 1045 BRL/Month, which is 218,09 USD as per today. What was the sub for NA region again? 12,99 USD? 12,99/218,09 * 100% = 5,9%
Russian minimum wage (Russia is considered EU region, so will move it to EUR): 12130 RUB/Month, which is 150,25 EUR as per today. EU sub is 12,99 EUR, so 12,99/150,25 = 8,64%

And now there is US, EU, Canada and Japan
Canadian minimum wage: 11,06 CAD/Hour, which will make for about 2123,52 CAD/Month, if you work 24 days and 8 hours. Which is 1534,78 USD. 12,99/1534,78 * 100% = 0,85%.
Germany & France minimum wage (both are about the same, according to Google): ~1550 EUR. 12,99/1550 * 100% = 0,83%
UK minimum wage: 1524 EUR, which does about 1357,44 GBP. UK sub is 8,99 GBP. 8,99/1357,44 * 100% = 0,66%
US minimum wage: 7,25 USD/Hour, which with 8 hours/24 days will do 1392 USD. 12,99/1392 * 100% = 0,93%
Japan minimum wage: 874 JPY/Hour, which with 8 hours/24 days will do 167808 JPY. JP sub is 1408 JPY. 1408/167808 * 100% = 0,83%

Does it mean that 12,99$ is not much for EU or NA or Canada or JP players? No, it doesn't. I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that struggle to pay this sub. But there is significant difference between "more than 5% of wage" and "less than 1% of wage". We don't pay the same.

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The only tragedy here, is that you even needed to explain this at all. Hilarious that people refuse to just think 2 seconds, and realize this on their own. Nicely laid out by you though. Well done.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

First of all: no, we don't. Japan, NA, EU and UK regions have different prices in Mog Station to begin with, and the rates aren't 100% equall (despite that, the % that sub costs to wage in those countries is similar). 1.0 players have a discount for a sub. Some countries have discounts for playing trough Steam.

Second: Subscription is "Same" when "sub/minimum wage * 100% for country A = sub/minimum wage * 100% for country B".

(Brazil and Russia were both losing regional sub in the beginning of SB, so I will bring them both up).
Brazilian minimum wage: 1045 BRL/Month, which is 218,09 USD as per today. What was the sub for NA region again? 12,99 USD? 12,99/218,09 * 100% = 5,9%
Russian minimum wage (Russia is considered EU region, so will move it to EUR): 12130 RUB/Month, which is 150,25 EUR as per today. EU sub is 12,99 EUR, so 12,99/150,25 = 8,64%

And now there is US, EU, Canada and Japan
Canadian minimum wage: 11,06 CAD/Hour, which will make for about 2123,52 CAD/Month, if you work 24 days and 8 hours. Which is 1534,78 USD. 12,99/1534,78 * 100% = 0,85%.
Germany & France minimum wage (both are about the same, according to Google): ~1550 EUR. 12,99/1550 * 100% = 0,83%
UK minimum wage: 1524 EUR, which does about 1357,44 GBP. UK sub is 8,99 GBP. 8,99/1357,44 * 100% = 0,66%
US minimum wage: 7,25 USD/Hour, which with 8 hours/24 days will do 1392 USD. 12,99/1392 * 100% = 0,93%
Japan minimum wage: 874 JPY/Hour, which with 8 hours/24 days will do 167808 JPY. JP sub is 1408 JPY. 1408/167808 * 100% = 0,83%

Does it mean that 12,99$ is not much for EU or NA or Canada or JP players? No, it doesn't. I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that struggle to pay this sub. But there is significant difference between "more than 5% of wage" and "less than 1% of wage". We don't pay the same.

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Yeap, seeing this I noticed I gave misinformation with the post. I messed up US minimum wage with the biweekly payment xD