Redo catch % for old "big fish."

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Originally Posted by Canadane

The worst part is, ARR had the best sightseeing log and people hated it too and now every other expansions log is really bad. You can't even see the sight you're supposed to from the vista, and it's braindead easy.

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Any new 'old-fashioned' sightseeing log entry would be trivial with BLU's suicide spell and rezzing on a hard to reach vista. Even infamous lamp post in Kugane is completelly neutralized now.

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If you hate the sightseeing log so much, why do it at all? Things like vistas and big fishing are completely optional. All you miss out on by skipping them is a few achievements, titles, and maybe a minion or two. Why make yourself crazy over it?

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I wanted the apkallu minion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I wish they'd start putting exclusive cosmetics as desynths for the rarest of big fish again like they did during 2.x.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

However, I do think they should at least increase the minimum possible time window to 3-4 Eorzean hours. These fishing windows that are only 1-2 Eorzean hours long are just cruel, especially if it's combined with a slippery big fish (I'm looking at you, The Assassin).

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Definitely agree on this. Personally I find super short windows more annoying than low catch rates. It's incredibly annoying when you have to schedule an entire play session around 6 minutes of fishing. IMO no window should be less than 4-5 game hours (12-15ish minutes) long.

“Like I said initially, though, I do feel the RNG element of fishing is too heavy, especially for new players. People say they want to "preserve" the experience of big fishing, but what they don't realize is we veteran fishers had it easy back in the day. True hardcore fishing is what the new players are being forced to reckon with coming into the content nowadays. Dealing with a small handful of new fish to catch each patch is child's play. I got all the new big fish for 5.1 in a single weekend, 5.2 in three days in between ocean fishing runs. New players are coming into the content with over 200 big fish to catch, while also having the other 500-odd regular fish (some of which are just as difficult as big fish) to manage as well. This workload is so intimidating it's no wonder new fishers give up on it.

I'm not in favor of just nerfing the whole system to the ground, but allowing some grace elements for the older big fish would help newer players to manage the increasingly unfeasible amount of fish on the table and allow them to keep up with us veteran fishers who basically are playing easy-mode big fishing, and have been for years. I would just tweak a couple things to help out newer fishers. Allow Gathering and Perception to have more of an impact on older big fish, just like how new expansions (used to) remove the 95% cap on gathering nodes as you leveled up. Make it so higher Perception ratings increase the chance of a big fish biting, and higher gathering ratings increase the chance of landing it. Not to 100%, but just enough to remove the frustration of trying to catch a fish from 3 expansions ago that us veteran fishers haven't had to worry about for years. I\\\\'d say increasing whatever the base bite and catch rate is by up to 40% based on your stats, capping it at a hard 80% would be fine for fish from previous expansions. This would still make fish that are notorious for the low bite/catch rates (let’s say 10%) still only have a 50% bite/catch rate at best, and fish who's bite/catch rates were never that horrible would now still have a decent chance to get away, but not a frustratingly low chance. Moreover, I would keep the six legendaries of each expansion untouched. Those should always be the "ultimate" tier fish of an expansion, and like Ultimate, should preserve their challenge as much as possible.

That’s just my feelings on the matter, as a hardcore fisher among hardcore fishers, who still understands the situation new players are facing that we never had to deal with.”

This is 100% correct. Fishing feels awful. I’ve been playing for a little over a year and I’ve been really working on my fishing log for the past couple months and ARR just like msq is a huge slog and I’m starting to hate it a little tbh.

I wouldn't mind seeing the slip rate for these fish decreased a bit. Not to make it 100%, but still to make it a bit easier for people starting out to catch up a bit faster. It's one thing to want to catch all the fish every expansion every 2 years, and another to want to catch every fish from four expansions plus the base game.

Though this is something I feel even other aspects of the game need (like decreasing book cost for gear on previous expansion savage fights).

It seems like it would make sense for better gear to improve your luck at least a bit, and if people want to experience the original challenge they can self-limit by only wearing gear from the original level range.

it'd be nice to drop the slip rate a bit on ARR big fish yes, but there's no other incentive to filling out the fishing log other than it being a box to tick. everything's fine the way it is for fishing.

I think dropping the slip rate on some the ARR/HW fish is fair at this point, just for the sake of new fishers being able to clear out parts of their log a little bit faster since they are fighting several expansions worth of fish. However, they should leave the legendaries like Problematicus and Raimdellopterus untouched to keep the true challenging parts of big fishing intact.

Leaving the legendaries and the latest four expansions unnerfed is plenty to keep you busy for months or years.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Definitely agree on this. Personally I find super short windows more annoying than low catch rates. It's incredibly annoying when you have to schedule an entire play session around 6 minutes of fishing. IMO no window should be less than 4-5 game hours (12-15ish minutes) long.

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100% support

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It seems like it would make sense for better gear to improve your luck at least a bit, and if people want to experience the original challenge they can self-limit by only wearing gear from the original level range.

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Better gear, maybe not. But, consider the skill gap. On release, ARR FSH skills limited to Cast, Hook, and Mooch.

There are so many tools in our kit now, to say nothing of actually mechanical changes, that most fish genuinely are much easier to catch. Surface Slap alone is an absolute game changer.

I'd agree that the rates on the old fish don't need to be buffed because they already made them easier to catch indirectly via the new skills that were introduced.

Everyone complains that battle content gets nerfed and is too easy, so why also wanting to nerf gatherer content?
When you do big fishing because you want to do big fishing, isn't it good that you have more to do? When you want to do big fishing because you hate big fishing and just think you have to do it because of the fishing log, isn't it better to just not do big fishing if you hate it?

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Originally Posted by ACE135

Everyone complains that battle content gets nerfed and is too easy, so why also wanting to nerf gatherer content?
When you do big fishing because you want to do big fishing, isn't it good that you have more to do? When you want to do big fishing because you hate big fishing and just think you have to do it because of the fishing log, isn't it better to just not do big fishing if you hate it?

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Same reason because so many jobs got reworked. People who don't like the gameplay are complaining, it gets changed and the people who complained drop the reworked gameplay after like two weeks, leaving the people who liked the old version in the dust and nobody is happy now.

Leave the Fisher alone please. Play Botanist or Miner if you want fun gameplay without RNG. Oh it is not fun? Well what do you expect Fisher will turn into when you remove the RNG?