Child-like characters?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Thancred is 32 but apparently there's some lore somewhere about Sharlayans using enchantments to look younger than they really are - I'm not sure about the source of that, but it's consistent with him suddenly looking noticeably older at the point where he loses the ability to use magic. Because he's not in his real body currently on the First, apparently he reverted to his preferred appearance (however exactly that worked).

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I thought he lost the ability to wield magics, from when he was caught up in the Flow spell. The lifestream trip affected him. He even commented on this disparity following him to the first because of it:)


On topic. It is not a case of having these avatars......its a case of what people will do with them unfortunatly, and SE knows this. So its just a situation where the few ruin it for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Siete

No, not Lalas. I mean younger version of the available races.
Is there a reason we don't have them as an option to pick?

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They wouldn't be child-like then. They would be children.

Lalas are child-like. They appear as young children, but are fully grown adults.

But SE doesn't like the idea of creating playable children and thrusting them into violent situations where several people are actively trying to murderize you. Remember the entire MSQ and think to yourself that you wouldn't be horrified if a child was doing those things. "Hey lets send this kid alone into the bowl of embers to fight a god because he has the echo and we don't."

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Originally Posted by Ftail

*Snip!* ...but he looks like he needs to be asked for an ID every time he buys alcohol.

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I was last ID'd for alcohol when I was 36. I laughed at the woman and said thanks.:D

Also, (not a reply to the comment I initially replied to, however) my 13 year old daughter is now taller than me.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Thancred is 32 but apparently there's some lore somewhere about Sharlayans using enchantments to look younger than they really are - I'm not sure about the source of that, but it's consistent with him suddenly looking noticeably older at the point where he loses the ability to use magic. Because he's not in his real body currently on the First, apparently he reverted to his preferred appearance (however exactly that worked).

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Sharlayan archons have their age locked at whenever it is they became an archon. It was first mentioned in 1.0 but only rarely comes up now. I remember it being mentioned at the end of Stormblood and a passing mention in the lore book. Must suck for Matoya though, being old forever.

Back on topic, I don’t understand why people want to play a minor or why this topic keeps coming up but it’s kinda creepy. Especially with how many times WoL gets flirted with and everything else that happens.

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Originally Posted by Averax

But SE doesn't like the idea of creating playable children and thrusting them into violent situations where several people are actively trying to murderize you. Remember the entire MSQ and think to yourself that you wouldn't be horrified if a child was doing those things. "Hey lets send this kid alone into the bowl of embers to fight a god because he has the echo and we don't."

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This is the most sensible reason, but I'd say not because people in the real world would have problems with the violence toward children but that people in the game world would. The MSQ isn't going to happen when the quest NPCs refuse to send a 10-year-old on a dangerous mission.

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Originally Posted by Ftail

This reminds me of the time my friend got mad at me and didn't talk to me for a day when I told him I ship Ryne and Thancred together and that they'd make a really cute couple.

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I'm on your friend's side here. He sounds quite sane. He should've ditched you all together though.

I wouldn't mind a late-teen/early-twenties option for some of the races. Like something inbetween Alphi/Alisae and a normal height Elezen, with more youthfull face options. Could work on some races such as Hrothgar, Elezan, Roes, male Au Ra and Viera as they're pretty tall and the new option would be closer to a normal sized Hyur. For the more normal sized races and genders they could get their base options increased so it spanned more age ranges.

We won't get new recess anyway

But to people who complain that coz of "porn"

If You are afraid of it then, please ban Google, because just writing one word there and pressing search by image give all "nasty" and "meaty"

Beside, it's game where anything moded is prohibited, and banned

The game itself has no nudity, and people who want 34 will do it anyway

Anyone seen popoto 34?
Carbuncle 34?
MooMooooo?


Literally who cares ?


Do we really got to the point where content creators : developers need to think of A or B should be added or not because of pervs ?

A lot of people seem to have a problem with Lalafells for the same reason SE has a problem with playable children, but I don't see it. The vast majority of Lalafells I've seen in game act like mature adults, so I always think of them as midgets rather than children. Playable children, on the other hand, one can understand. SE would obviously have control over how sexualized they are, as SE is the one that programs different poses and outfits into the game, but showing children in pain is a little less in their control. That also brings up the problem of having to create completely new outfits from what is in game (the current outfits, presumably, are just shaped to fit the different body types of the races we have now) to prevent the sexualization of said children, which probably costs a lot of resources considering we're on the third expansion.

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Originally Posted by testname

Do we really got to the point where content creators : developers need to think of A or B should be added or not because of pervs ?

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Thanks to moral guardians, we hit that point a long time ago. Developers do need to keep it in mind, because otherwise they will get in trouble for it. Often from people who never even play the game, they just saw something and decided to have a fit about it.

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

I wouldn't mind a late-teen/early-twenties option for some of the races. Like something inbetween Alphi/Alisae and a normal height Elezen, with more youthfull face options. Could work on some races such as Hrothgar, Elezan, Roes, male Au Ra and Viera as they're pretty tall and the new option would be closer to a normal sized Hyur. For the more normal sized races and genders they could get their base options increased so it spanned more age ranges.

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Being able to create an Elezen similar those twins, without that small head/big body look, would be pretty awesome

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Thancred is 32 but apparently there's some lore somewhere about Sharlayans using enchantments to look younger than they really are.

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Thancred looks 32 to me o.o
It depends on the person, some people look more rugged at their 30s, especially in Western lands, but some others don't. He looks adult and mature enough in my eyes.

Ethical issues aside, there's the issue of resources.

They are stretched thin with their current team and budget just dealing with Hrothgar and Viera. If they had to slap armor onto child models of the existing races too, they'd never catch up.

As for the ethical reason, also remember that SE can control what they do with child characters. They can't control what players do. And having the WOL as an adult gives them more freedom to put the WOL through hell etc.

But even if this wasn't a concern, the above factor of devleoper resources would prohibit child models for players being feasible at all. And you can't just scale down the models and say 'okay job done there's your child model' it would take more work to make them look right and fit armor right.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Yeah, see how few times people request more elderly female characters.

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Right? I would actually love a character model option like Matoya!

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Originally Posted by GomJabbar

Right? I would actually love a character model option like Matoya!

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Something something, character creation limitation, something something hardware, something something spaghetti code.

On a serious note, it gripes me a little seeing certain NPC's aswell who are supposed to have a certain age but look like every standard player model, looking at you Dancer Trainer NPC which name i forgot as example.

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Originally Posted by Saix027

On a seriosu not it gripes me a little seeing certain NPC's aswell who are supposed to have a certain age but look like ever standard player model, looking at you Dancer Trainer NPC which name i forgot.

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Male hyur, elezen, au ra, and miqo’te all have an “old” face option but I guess SE doesn’t believe that women are allowed to look old or that women go straight from mid-twenties to looking like Matoya.

Maybe it has something to do with the aetherytes. Maybe it’s Maybelline.

It has been a long time since I have been to the customization screen but I don't remember anything that wasn't a young 19 or 20 year old face in there. I would like to see something that was meant to portray someone in their 30s or 40s even, but it's doubtful.

There should be a instant report button on a child like character to frkn perm bann them if they ever tried to do nasty stuff. Nasty people with onlr ERP, nsfw and nasty mind should play other games. Their talk is not funneh. U only excite urself cuse u never experienced it irl.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

It has been a long time since I have been to the customization screen but I don't remember anything that wasn't a young 19 or 20 year old face in there. I would like to see something that was meant to portray someone in their 30s or 40s even, but it's doubtful.

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Not sure what there is to doubt. You can go into character creator right now and see them there. I don’t know which specific faces they are off the top of my head but male midlander, highlander, elezen, miqo’te, and au ra all have 1 very obvious face that looks like mid-40s to 60s.

People probably forget about them because no one uses them and when they check out the faces they say “ew gross” and use one of the other ones that don’t look like trash.

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Originally Posted by FedoraTheExplorer

I'm on your friend's side here. He sounds quite sane. He should've ditched you all together though.

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I know right? His mistake.

Although he didn't let me continue to do New Game+ with him his first time through Shadowbringers after that though. Something about ruining the game moments.

Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB.

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Tell that to journalists.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

.....Back on topic, I don’t understand why people want to play a minor or why this topic keeps coming up but it’s kinda creepy. Especially with how many times WoL gets flirted with and everything else that happens.

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Yeah, playing a kid would make Haurchefant and Aymeric pedophiles. Very creepy indeed.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB.

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Interactions are not, but everything else created by a company is, which is...basically everything that isn't opening a chat window.

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Originally Posted by Averax

They wouldn't be child-like then. They would be children.

Lalas are child-like. They appear as young children, but are fully grown adults.

But SE doesn't like the idea of creating playable children and thrusting them into violent situations where several people are actively trying to murderize you. Remember the entire MSQ and think to yourself that you wouldn't be horrified if a child was doing those things. "Hey lets send this kid alone into the bowl of embers to fight a god because he has the echo and we don't."

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As well as being drugged (HW) and almost outright killed in the middle of a war because the Crystal Exarch is really bad at timing his phone calls. Then there's the whole Squadron thing (not violent, but more unrealistic). No adult would be happy to have a child being their leader, or outranking them.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

As well as being drugged (HW) and almost outright killed in the middle of a war because the Crystal Exarch is really bad at timing his phone calls. Then there's the whole Squadron thing (not violent, but more unrealistic). No adult would be happy to have a child being their leader, or outranking them.

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A child that became a captain on it's GC, defeats high ranked people from the empire that no one else can hurt, kills gods and ancient beings, destroys alien robots, liberates nations, and travels to another world to save it. yeah, who would like to receive order from someone like that XD

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q3tsHlxXejQ/maxresdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

A child that became a captain on it's GC, defeats high ranked people from the empire that no one else can hurt, kills gods and ancient beings, destroys alien robots, liberates nations, and travels to another world to save it. yeah, who would like to receive order from someone like that XD

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I don't think my squadron even has the mental capacity to like or dislike anything. I have to tell them what to do at all times and pray I don't die.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I don't think my squadron even has the mental capacity to like or dislike anything. I have to tell them what to do at all times and pray I don't die.

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Well, at least there's no doubt our squadron follow our commands. Hell, i havent been with them in weeks, and i'm sure they are still there, awaiting for me to finish the trainig i asked them to do XD

My squadron's a bunch of gambling addicts. All they do is bring me piles of MGP.

I can understand SE stance but it's still a subject I find strange for a lot of reasons. One of which is the idea that there would be some difference between characters in their mid-teens opposed to those in their early twenties, when that change is so subtle it's nearly imperceptible in real life without additional cues like body language, mannerisms, and (most heavily relied on) context.

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Originally Posted by SugarPuff

I can understand SE stance but it's still a subject I find strange for a lot of reasons. One of which is the idea that there would be some difference between characters in their mid-teens opposed to those in their early twenties, when that change is so subtle it's nearly imperceptible in real life without additional cues like body language, mannerisms, and (most heavily relied on) context.

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If the Moral dilemma isn't good enough, then consider how much time they would have to put into making Equipment fit the model, then they would have to animate emotes and other stuff. You could try to argue half the work is already done, but that other half is still gonna take time to do.
And they should work on the Hrothgar and Viera before they even humor the idea of playable Teens/children avatars. (Which wont happen for the reasons already listed on the 1st page)

*Sees thread title*

https://images.redbox.com/Images/EPC...cal/203296.jpg

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If the Moral dilemma isn't good enough, then consider how much time they would have to put into making Equipment fit the model, then they would have to animate emotes and other stuff. You could try to argue half the work is already done, but that other half is still gonna take time to do.
And they should work on the Hrothgar and Viera before they even humor the idea of playable Teens/children avatars. (Which wont happen for the reasons already listed on the 1st page)

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I'm not in favor of it....

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

A child that became a captain on it's GC, defeats high ranked people from the empire that no one else can hurt, kills gods and ancient beings, destroys alien robots, liberates nations, and travels to another world to save it. yeah, who would like to receive order from someone like that XD

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It'd be pretty demoralising, if you think about it.

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Originally Posted by Siete

Ethical how exactly?
We have Alisaie, Alphinaud, several children in MSQ and off-quests.
The only thing that would worry me is "Roleplayers".

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Alisae and Alphinaud are 16-17yrs old. They have also experience,wisdom and skill that rivials most of their adult companions. That alone puts them in a different league then a ordinary child.

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

A child that became a captain on it's GC, defeats high ranked people from the empire that no one else can hurt, kills gods and ancient beings, destroys alien robots, liberates nations, and travels to another world to save it. yeah, who would like to receive order from someone like that XD

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This actually raises another interesting point which no one has yet to mention: children age. Well, all people age, but after reaching adulthood the physical changes are much slower and less noticeable. I couldn't find a timeline of the events in the MSQ so far, but considering how much has happened it must have taken quite some time. Pretty much every patch seems to end with a "there's nothing now, please return later". There was the trip to Kugane which I recall took a month or two. All kinds of bureaucracy between nations that just doesn't happen instantly. If the WoL was in their early teens at the start of the story, how would you justify them not growing up during it? For that matter, how do Alphinaud and Alisaie look exactly like they did in 2.0 (aside from receiving new outfits)?

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Originally Posted by tdb

For that matter, how do Alphinaud and Alisaie look exactly like they did in 2.0 (aside from receiving new outfits)?

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The lorebook noted that Elezen have longer lifespans then Hyurs and also age slower as a side-effect with their puberty happening in their 20s as opposed to the teens.

That said, I think Alphinaud and Alisaie are unlikely to change much by the end of the game's lifespan.

The game exists in a time bubble where it's always just five years after the Calamity, no matter how much time actually passes in the real world or how much we've done in the mean time. It gets lampshaded once in a while (for example, after the level 80 dark knight quest, Rielle complains that she's overdue for a growth spurt), but it's probably not going away any time soon. So nobody visibly ages.

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

A child that became a captain on it's GC, defeats high ranked people from the empire that no one else can hurt, kills gods and ancient beings, destroys alien robots, liberates nations, and travels to another world to save it. yeah, who would like to receive order from someone like that XD

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Isn't that like pretty much the whole plot of Naruto, and tons of other anime?