Please implement a limited in-game hunt tracker for S ranks.

Please Square Enix, this is really hurting accessibility towards past S ranks.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Nandi and Safat are by far the most prone to being picked off as their spawn conditions are regularly being fulfilled accidentally thanks to the massive influx of new players.

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Nandi, not so much, as part of the spawning process involves figuring out which spawn point is the correct one, so generally once it's spawn window opens, a spawner group has already figured out where to stand for the next 6 hours.

Safat, Lampalagua, and Wulgaru are the ones very easily triggered by just the actions of lower level players doing normal low level player stuff from anywhere in their respective zones and as such are the ones most often "sniped".


My suggestion:
Treat A and S rank hunts as a FATE, requiring level sync to be able to attack/aggro it and where an A-rank will be very very difficult for a full group and an S-rank will be very very difficult for several raid groups combined.
This way, these marks from ARR to ShB and beyond will be the difficult encounter they were meant to be for all player levels and not steam rolled by solo high level players.
B-ranks can remain as is, as those were meant to be solo hunts and already have a 5 second re-spawn.

they've said the FATE system would need a complete overhaul if they wanted to make S/A ranks as FATEs instead. it's something that's unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

they've said the FATE system would need a complete overhaul if they wanted to make S/A ranks as FATEs instead. it's something that's unlikely to happen.

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I'm not asking for that.
I mean, yeah that would be a dream feature for me...

What I'm requesting is vastly more feasible to devs and fair to players.

Edit: My mistake, I assume you're referring to the above reply.

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Originally Posted by Kirika-

My suggestion:
Treat A and S rank hunts as a FATE, requiring level sync to be able to attack/aggro it and where an A-rank will be very very difficult for a full group and an S-rank will be very very difficult for several raid groups combined.
This way, these marks from ARR to ShB and beyond will be the difficult encounter they were meant to be for all player levels and not steam rolled by solo high level players.
B-ranks can remain as is, as those were meant to be solo hunts and already have a 5 second re-spawn.

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They've never been "very difficult" if players bothered to pay attention to the mechanics. You move out of the AoE, you interrupt if it can be interrupted, etc.

The real issue is how quickly they die now. A Shadowbringers S rank could be pulled as soon as it spawns but as long as the relay goes out right away and players immediately drop what they're doing to get there, they have time to be part of the kill. That's not true with the older ones so that's what needs to change.

We've already been told that the amount of work required to reprogram hunts for level sync doesn't make it feasible. What if instead of level sync, the hunt marks were given a buff that allowed them to absorb damage taken over X amount from a single attack?

Throwing random numbers out as an example, let's say the largest amount of damage from a single attack by a level 50 player (without a critical hit) is 2000. Level 50 hunt marks are then given a buff that absorbs damage above 2500 (to allow some room for crit damage by level 50 players but not so much that every attack by a higher level player becomes an effective crit). Dancer has a 100k hit with Technical Finish? S rank takes 2500 damage (97500 damage absorbed). If a level 60 player could deal up to 10k in a single attack then the level 60 hunt marks absorb anything over 10k, etc.

Hunt marks are back to taking more time to die, allowing more players to arrive and participate. It doesn't prevent level cap players from trying to solo lower level hunt marks. They still get to use their level cap rotations. They're still going to retain their higher health pools and their greater chance to dodge attacks that would otherwise hit but it will take them much longer to kill the marks. It leaves it up to their discretion on whether they want to still do it on their own but take a long time or if they want to relay to bring in more players to help to speed up the kill.

Half agree, half disagree. So, make it earnable but it's more worthwhile to do it without kind of thing but you might have a tracker one time you decided to go through the process of getting it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They've never been "very difficult" if players bothered to pay attention to the mechanics. You move out of the AoE, you interrupt if it can be interrupted, etc.

The real issue is how quickly they die now. A Shadowbringers S rank could be pulled as soon as it spawns but as long as the relay goes out right away and players immediately drop what they're doing to get there, they have time to be part of the kill. That's not true with the older ones so that's what needs to change.

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That is what I meant by difficult.

I imagine the intention was to phase out the older S ranks, rather than fix them. We have a new hunt currency that none of the older hunts drop and a new mount exclusive to ShB hunts. If you had 1k or more S ranks going into ShB you can ignore everything below ShB (which I often do myself).

It's a shame, because The Hunt used to be a big part of the game for some players, but with cross-world destroying that server community feeling and older S ranks no longer being worth it, it's become a much watered down version of what we used to have. HW/SB hunts were the best social experience I've had in this game. We get more tomes than ever now, but it's just yet another case of ripping something fun away from long term players and trying to give it to everyone, similar to crafting, gathering, EX trials, tanks, healers and so on.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We've already been told that the amount of work required to reprogram hunts for level sync doesn't make it feasible. What if instead of level sync, the hunt marks were given a buff that allowed them to absorb damage taken over X amount from a single attack?

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That's a decent idea. There are several ways they could handle it, it just depends if they actually want to.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

it just depends if they actually want to.

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and that's it - i really don't think the devs don't want to change hunts no matter how many ppl complain about it.

I'd really love if they made it so the Hunter Scholars in every area had a timestamp of every A/S Rank killed. I don't think that'd be an overwhelming task on Squares end to put that into the game.

People are gonna try and shoot this down saying dumb stuff like 'HuNtS aRe MeAnT tO bE CoMpEtiTivE' while ignoring the fact (that they are all very aware of) that hunts spawn in a random interval regardless of if their window is open. You'd still be able to take out S Ranks and what not with your own personal group if you wanted, but now the playing field is level.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

and that's it - i really don't think the devs don't want to change hunts no matter how many ppl complain about it.

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They may not want to but they need to.

Dedicated cross world spawning linkshells/Discords plus current third party automated tracking and detection relay tools plus level 80 burst damage have significantly changed how the player community hunts. The content has broken down when lack of a third party tool that breaks the ToS means there's a significant chance you won't get to participate in the kill even if you were the one intentionally doing the work needed for the spawn to happen.

I find it hard to believe that SE can be satisfied with the way things are.

SE either needs to incorporate the third party tools into the game so no one who prefers to honor the TOS is at a major disadvantage compared to those who prefer to violate it, or they need to change the content design so the advantage of having those tools is significantly reduced if not eliminated

Give S ranks a 3 minute invulnerability debuff. That gives a spawning party enough time to manually scan a zone for the S rank and travel to its location so they get a chance to kill it alongside the third party tool users who knew exactly where to go the instant it spawned because their tool already knew the location.

Change S ranks so instead of reserving their next spawn location when killed, they will randomly spawn at one of the unoccupied spawn points when all conditions (including the hidden timer) are met then prevent the S rank from being detected from a greater than normal distance. That way the third party tools can't determine the location in advance and their users will be forced to do some actual hunting for a change if they want to kill it before others can arrive.

Reduce the damage being dealt to lower level marks by higher level players in some fashion so at least the S ranks require a little bit of time commitment to kill instead of getting smashed in the space of 2 GCDs. I've posted one idea above; I'm sure there are other ways to get a similar result without having to resort to a level sync.

I think too many people think everyone needs to be given enough time to get to the hunt. People need to understand that this is not the case and that no one is entitled to the hunt. Not even the spawner, actually. In my opinion, some posts read that simply "fairness for all" is used as an excuse to get more hunts. Regardless of the hunts hit points. No one has to be fair when it comes to hunts (as long as he/she isn't using third party tools), since nobody is entitled to get a hunt.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's a shame, because The Hunt used to be a big part of the game for some players, but with cross-world destroying that server community feeling and older S ranks no longer being worth it, it's become a much watered down version of what we used to have. HW/SB hunts were the best social experience I've had in this game. We get more tomes than ever now, but it's just yet another case of ripping something fun away from long term players and trying to give it to everyone, similar to crafting, gathering, EX trials, tanks, healers and so on.

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So was for me. I spent a lot of time of the day for hunting but cross-world destroyed the hunting for me completely. It isn't because of the older hunts dying faster. The feeling of hunting is completely different now for me. And the type of nowadays hunt trains doesn't make it any better for me. Back in HW and SB you could shout an A rank at almost any time and there would be at least come enough people to kill it. Nowadays a ShB A rank can be shouted several times along many hours and no one would come because there is no hunt train going on, at least on my server. I guess I have to accept that the targeted audience for hunts is changing and I'm no longer part of it. I wouldn't even participate in doing S ranks now when one is shoutet in the area I'm actually in.

Just my opinion and a bit of a rant.

Honestly, the rewards for the ARR S ranks are disproportionately high for how little time it takes to kill them. ARR S ranks are more valuable then HW/SB ones now that allied seals can be traded in for relevant materia plus they give the same amount of poetics/phantasmagoria to boot.

As previously mentioned, I feel like if they're going to continue to push relevance of older hunts, they should update them accordingly.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

No one has to be fair when it comes to hunts (as long as he/she isn't using third party tools), since nobody is entitled to get a hunt.

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This is honestly one of the biggest reasons why I think some things have to change, because damned near every bot in the game these days has a built-in hunt radar that automatically relays S rank coordinates to a public discord server, and with how regularly people are leveling and/or gathering with DoL classes in the ARR areas using such it's a rather common occurrence.

It takes the "hunt" out of hunting, but if you want a fair chance at getting to the hunt before a bunch of randoms who likely aren't even from your server start attacking it, you have to bite the bullet and rely on the information being gathered by the bots.

A simple way to mitigate this would be to stop giving the S ranks infinite draw distance because the third party programs have been abusing this fact since the 2.x days to instantly locate them.

Bump for relevance.

With so many active players, snipings are admittedly a very rare occurrence at this point at time.

Still, even with this especially busy period a few S ranks have slipped under the radar and it's frustrating.

Bumpity bump

Bumpity bump

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

You might wanna go to the Q&A thing for the upcoming Live Letter. I FEEL like this might be a UI thing? Seems like its in the realm.

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Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Unfortunately, I seemed to have missed the boat by a longshot.

I'll pay closer attention to live Live Letters in the future so I may at least try to bring up the issue directly to SE's attention.

Cross Data Center Hunts would make such a feature more invaluable than ever

Bump Bumpity Bump

Hunts are already battery farmed by a small cabal of people as it is. A group killing it before you get the chance to isn’t “stealth killing” or stealing it. They just beat you to it.

A better in-game system in place is preferable to having to use multiple 3rd party applications IMHO.

3rd party tools and the drama tied to them. The reason why I stopped hunting.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Hunts are already battery farmed by a small cabal of people as it is. A group killing it before you get the chance to isn’t “stealth killing” or stealing it. They just beat you to it.

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The issue is that if a hunt dies unnoticed/detected, it becomes a tedious crapshoot to spawn it again as you have no idea when it'll actually be available, which is really awful for hunts with prohibitive/RNG-heavy spawn conditions like the fishing/treasure map triggered ones.

Simply having the hunt trackers make some vague remark like "It has/hasn't been spotted recently" to indicate whether or not its spawn window is open would resolve that.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Naturally, not everyone that wants to participate in slaying a S rank will able to.
I merely use my right to extend a S rank spawn to as many people as possible whenever possible.
This is rather off-topic, as an in-game tracker would not infringe on my ability to do so nor would it prevent others from engaging any of my spawns whenever they wish.



That's fine.
Yoshi P stated he doesn't want to go as far as to have the game announce kill times for S ranks, and I actually agree with that sentiment.
Just let us know if a hunt has even a chance of spawning, and experienced hunters can take care of the rest.


So actually playing the game is a bad use of time?
Gotcha.
I won't work towards anything in this game and just let others work for me.



Horus legit endorses several applications that violate the TOS of this game.
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The aether hunt community's "elite" on who the LS rely on break the ToS daily and even use market board bots to provide pricing commands on their discord. They're just as bad.

All in all hunt train organizations are freaking mafia and cliques. They're corrupt but everyone who benefits from the trains pretend they don't know.
I quit bothering with hunts after finding out stuff. It's such a joke right now.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

no harm in the hunter scholar saying in w/e flavor text they wanna use to say "this hunt is dead"

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reply to my own post and still say no harm in a feature like this
hype for hunts would shoot up when its released and die down couple months later like hunts usually do
Hunt ls still be a thing it would just be a QoL for hunts

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The aether hunt community's "elite" on who the LS rely on break the ToS daily and even use market board bots to provide pricing commands on their discord. They're just as bad.

All in all hunt train organizations are freaking mafia and cliques. They're corrupt but everyone who benefits from the trains pretend they don't know.
I quit bothering with hunts after finding out stuff. It's such a joke right now.

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Bots in general are largely to blame for this because several of the popular softwares eventually gained a built-in hunt radar function that will immediately alert every single player who is using that particular software via Discord or some other medium if a S rank is present in the same zone as them. Some of the hunt discords basically just gave in and started getting relays directly from the bots because the other option was trying to find S ranks manually when the bot users instantly know where they are, which has led to them being picked off before they could even locate them. It was especially bad pre-ShB before the S rank notifications were implemented.

There basically isn't an actual "hunt" left in hunting much of the time as there's so much bot traffic in the game as a whole that any S rank spawns tend to be immediately detected by them.

I've personally distanced myself from the discords and at most get indirect relays from them, otherwise preferring to spawn/locate S ranks the intended way.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I've personally distanced myself from the discords and at most get indirect relays from them, otherwise preferring to spawn/locate S ranks the intended way.

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The bots aren't doing any spawning. That still has to be done the intended way regardless.

It's the locating/relaying that the bots are affecting. To be honest, it's probably more the relaying. A lot of spawn groups already have the spawn location figured out by tracking A and B locations since last spawn. The relays still get passed into linkshells so other players get notified (linkshells are still more reliable than notifications from the Discord mobile app). The only question at that point is how many players make it before the S rank is pulled and dies.

The bots do spawn things as side effects of their activities (The Dravanian Forelands S rank in particular can easily be spawned if there's a single bot grinding FATEs in the zone long enough), but yeah, they're mostly annoying because they often make it impossible to get relays out in a timely/organized manner that ensures the S rank stays up for a reasonable amount of time.

Bump for relevance

6.0 has already 'gone gold' in most regards, but I want to keep this bumped incase such a feature isn't added

Long overdue bump for relevance

Fresh Bump

Just make all hunt marks spawn on a random timer in random zones and put the HUNT back in hunt marks