Butt is flat again... Patch 5.15

I going to link these so people can easily notice the change:


https://i.imgur.com/ou7sVrM.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/GoDb7pd.jpg

I wasn't using the 2B butt a lot, but it's all flat now on my DNC and RDM. I didn't even know it was clipping on certain models. It's a shame they had to waste ressources fixing something that didn't need to be fixed in the first place. Hopefully, they will reverse that unwanted change very soon.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I going to link these so people can easily notice the change:

No Pancake

https://i.imgur.com/ou7sVrM.jpg

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Pancake:

https://i.imgur.com/GoDb7pd.jpg

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You are saying the butt is pancake, why not upset with boobs is half the size? xD And that butt still has a nice curve to it, the other one looks like it has botox buttimplants

Thats not the same at all lmfao that's clearly flatter

Hopefully, the feedback on this thread will be sent to the devs. If the clipping is such a serious problem, please just separate it into two versions so that the people bothered by the clipping can wear the 'fixed' type.

The butt thing is not a huge deal to me because even 'enhanced' you still didn't get the same amount of thicc leg pinch that 2P has and it looked downright weird on certain races (like Elezen). I will be thrilled, however if they fix the 'mesh' parts of the outfits so I can be my beautiful gray moon cat again without a pink chest. (It would be lovely if they did it on the mesh bits of the caster dress so it didn't look dark red/brown but I suppose I'll have to see when I log in aftet work).

Report this as a bug like with the transparent thing. Hopefully we get eyes on it.

Okay, roll it back, 5.15 was clearly a mistake.

It looks worse on miqo if you wear certain tops and equip the bottoms its disgusting its like a 90 year old mans ass its almost inverted...It has to be a bug

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Originally Posted by Slirith

Needs to be reverted asap. Find it funny as hell they "fix" this right away but cheerfully ignore clipping in the rest of the game. Not very smart

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2019 and moving onto 2020, still can't wear 99% of collared tops because of the hair I chose. Which is the Samsonian locks.

It clips through everything and I mean everything with something on the neck.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I going to link these so people can easily notice the change:]

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Can you post the before and after with the same top (well no top in the case of the top pic). Clothing does affect the size of body parts.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oAt21...K8vK/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Can you post the before and after with the same top (well no top in the case of the above pic). Clothing does affect the size of body parts.

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Nope. I just took this SS to show the change. I think you will have to take my word that before wasn't like this.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Uh, your horse must be really high. I also love the way you passed judgement over all the rest mere mortals. Never change.

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https://media2.giphy.com/media/Go30VSSpSm0c8/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by kmmm

Hopefully, the feedback on this thread will be sent to the devs. If the clipping is such a serious problem, please just separate it into two versions so that the people bothered by the clipping can wear the 'fixed' type.

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The metric ton of viera threads say hello. I doubt this will be rolled back, but SE could prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Report this as a bug like with the transparent thing. Hopefully we get eyes on it.

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They would probably only "fix" the transparent thing. The flat butt is to prevent clipping probably, and that is the fix. They would probably have to set specific items manually, like your example with ruffled skirt, to get the real butt back how we want (limitations?). Too much work for them.

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Originally Posted by Yasato

It looks worse on miqo if you wear certain tops and equip the bottoms its disgusting its like a 90 year old mans ass its almost inverted...It has to be a bug

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I wish it was a bug, this has gotta be on purpose to combat "clipping".

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Can you post the before and after with the same top (well no top in the case of the top pic). Clothing does affect the size of body parts.

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I could log back on and show an alternative. You can actually see the butt flatten in front of your eyes from no top to wearing a top that slightly covers the butt in the glamour plate. It literally morphs.

I really have to wonder which players would actually want this change. Like, there's leggings out there that don't have the 2B butt attached. If someone's wearing the 2B butt, they're probably doing it because they want the butt. I can't imagine any of them would rather give it up than to have it clip slightly when they sit down.

When has this game cared that much about edge case clipping anyway? There's tons of armor/hair/weapon/etc combos that clip already.

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The metric ton of viera threads say hello. I doubt this will be rolled back, but SE could prove me wrong.

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GNB SFX.

I will be surprised if this change is reverted.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

I really have to wonder which players would actually want this change. Like, there's leggings out there that don't have the 2B butt attached. If someone's wearing the 2B butt, they're probably doing it because they want the butt. I can't imagine any of them would rather give it up than to have it clip slightly when they sit down.

When has this game cared that much about edge case clipping anyway? There's tons of armor/hair/weapon/etc combos that clip already.

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Clipping Standards. Some clips you can live with, others are waaaaaaaay too much in your face to ignore.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Can you post the before and after with the same top (well no top in the case of the top pic). Clothing does affect the size of body parts.

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Sigh

Clothing effects the size and shape of the parts of the body it's replacing/ over.
So yes, your top can give you bigger or small breast and a thinner waist .... but that top aint gonna make your boot glam bigger or smaller unless it's 1 of like 5 cover-all glams.

To allow the 2B leggings to NOT clip out on tops not designed for a butt that large they made the flat version. Which is all good for things that will completely cover the butt. Problem is that it's behaving like the ruffle skirt where anything that touches it turns it into the 2nd version made to stop clipping.

I really do hope someone reports this as a bug before I have to try my hand at it.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Sigh

Clothing effects the size and shape of the parts of the body it's replacing/ over.
So yes, your top can give you bigger or small breast and a thinner waist .... but that top aint gonna make your boot glam bigger or smaller unless it's 1 of like 5 cover-all glams.

To allow the 2B leggings to NOT clip out on tops not designed for a butt that large they made the flat version. Which is all good for things that will completely cover the butt. Problem is that it's behaving like the ruffle skirt where anything that touches it turns it into the 2nd version made to stop clipping.

I really do hope someone reports this as a bug before I have to try my hand at it.

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There's no way it's a bug. This was intended. They probably have a setting like with the ruffled skirt, for flat butt. Like a universal setting, for any top that covers or slightly covers or as accessories around the waist. I doubt they would remove flat butt, the only fix would probably be changing settings manually on certain tops.

Well i can tell you this....it has reduced my butt further then the default butt ontop of that it does not apply to the RDM / BLM bottoms they are unaffected and remain the same size yet the 2b ones are almost inverted side by side

hell the bunny bottoms from the gold saucer now give a large butt with the same exact tops that the 2b one shrinks / inverts

Normal lvl1 top -
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...bNormaltop.png

Rainbow top of crafting -
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Rainbowtop.png

decided to take some screenshots myself to show how the "nerf" even with gear that would have no clipping issues whatsoever

how it was before:
https://imgur.com/U38Cqp1

and after:
https://imgur.com/msOaeCf

so many glams ruined after I farmed it on my alts TT_TT

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Originally Posted by Yasato

Well i can tell you this....it has reduced my butt further then the default butt ontop of that it does not apply to the RDM / BLM bottoms they are unaffected and remain the same size yet the 2b ones are almost inverted side by side

hell the bunny bottoms from the gold saucer now give a large butt with the same exact tops that the 2b one shrinks / inverts

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I just tested this with the caster bottoms. So, the butt is overall smaller than 2b, BUT with a top like the guardian corps skirt that covers the butt it DOESN'T change! The 2b but with the same top DOES change.

Why? SE overlooking it?

https://i.imgur.com/n7ACcH9.png

https://i.imgur.com/Vj4Db83.png

This is possibly the weirdest change decision I've seen in a while. Like the butt doesn't work now with the 2b outfit that it was built for!
Appreciate that the lace textures are fixed now though.

it does change you just cant see it with your jacket.

lvl 1 top - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...bNormaltop.png

Rainbow jacket of crafting - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Rainbowtop.png

it changes rapidly

do the other variants of the lvl 80 nier gear retain theyre shape? if so wtf did they actually do?

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Originally Posted by Yasato

it does change you just cant see it with your jacket.

lvl 1 top - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...bNormaltop.png

Rainbow jacket of crafting - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Rainbowtop.png

it changes rapidly

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Well you can see it, just easier to notice full size. You did choose a better top to exemplify this though. I think they are just overlooking the actual raid gear, since they also have that transparent glitch. The raid gear, or caster butt is smaller than 2B default (no top that covers).

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Well you can see it, just easier to notice full size. You did choose a better top to exemplify this though. I think they are just overlooking the actual raid gear, since they also have that transparent glitch.

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The issue i am taking with this is the fact that they are stating its to stop clipping. Yet here we are all the other ones are fine? they reduced it down beyond even the normal raid gear and for what reason? I mean hell its smaller then a normal butt as well as other bottoms are larger they could of reduced it some what but this? come on now.

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Originally Posted by Yasato

The issue i am taking with this is the fact that they are stating its to stop clipping. Yet here we are all the other ones are fine? they reduced it down beyond even the normal raid gear and for what reason? I mean hell its smaller then a normal butt as well as other bottoms are larger they could of reduced it some what but this? come on now.

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This is a common theme with SE. Especially after Shadowbringers. I think their quality has gone far downhill since. I don't know what is going on over there, but it seems like poor resource management; priorities, superficial "fixes".

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Originally Posted by Yasato

The issue i am taking with this is the fact that they are stating its to stop clipping. Yet here we are all the other ones are fine? they reduced it down beyond even the normal raid gear and for what reason? I mean hell its smaller then a normal butt as well as other bottoms are larger they could of reduced it some what but this? come on now.

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Well the butt size doesn't go in farther than the normal butt, the thighs are just thicker than the normal, making it look like the hips transition smoothly to legs and skips over the butt entirely. :T

Honestly, we need to send these pictures over to yoko taro to get his 2 cents on the defiling of his precious assets this.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Well the butt size doesn't go in farther than the normal butt, the thighs are just thicker than the normal, making it look like the hips transition smoothly to legs and skips over the butt entirely. :T

Honestly, we need to send these pictures over to yoko taro to get his 2 cents on the defiling of his precious assets this.

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it gives us pancake old man 90 year old ass if you view from the rear i took side pics to show how much is completely shaved off we look like pencils that were smashed on the ground now...

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There's no way it's a bug. This was intended. They probably have a setting like with the ruffled skirt, for flat butt. Like a universal setting, for any top that covers or slightly covers or as accessories around the waist. I doubt they would remove flat butt, the only fix would probably be changing settings manually on certain tops.

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Yeaaaaaah ... I'm sure this mess with the DRG gear is intended vvv

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Originally Posted by Driavna

It's even better because they did break some of the leggins if you mix them with 2b boots. DRG ones for example have a wierd clipping.

https://i.redd.it/fx5dbkfdss341.png

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And I remember people saying this was intended ...
https://i.imgur.com/f9y8VGi.png

But look at us now.. after bug reports it no longer looks like you're wearing bits of white girl skin on your top.
https://i.imgur.com/R8WYkuD.png?1

It's set like ruffle skirt, that's clear as day. Is this what they meant to have happen? I don't think so as it's even causing issues with other gear.
Filing a report wont hurt any, acting like a fix to something that was a non-issue for many MANY tops is now acting exactly the way they intended isn't gonna help.

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Originally Posted by Yasato

it gives us pancake old man 90 year old ass if you view from the rear i took side pics to show how much is completely shaved off we look like pencils that were smashed on the ground now...

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O oops my brain skipped over the word "raid" and read it as "the normal butt" :P

I'm curious why they did this when people have said even some of the Mog Station paid items do it. You want to see an egregious example: See the Faerie Tale Princess Dress on anything but lalafell. That thing literally eats your hands, and is A-OK, but a bit of butt showing through the 2B leggings when sitting down? Oh no, we can't be having that! I feel like there's an irony I'm missing somewhere.

"This tragedy, greater than even the seventh umbral calamity must be undone."

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Yeaaaaaah ... I'm sure this mess with the DRG gear is intended vvv



And I remember people saying this was intended ...
https://i.imgur.com/f9y8VGi.png

But look at us now.. after bug reports it no longer looks like you're wearing bits of white girl skin on your top.
https://i.imgur.com/R8WYkuD.png?1

It's set like ruffle skirt, that's clear as day. Is this what they meant to have happen? I don't think so as it's even causing issues with other gear.
Filing a report wont hurt any, acting like a fix to something that was a non-issue for many MANY tops is now acting exactly the way they intended isn't gonna help.

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Sarcasm? i get it, I do it a lot too. No, I don't think it was intended. I think SE was lazy and overlooked it, now I'll wait for the quotes mad at me for saying "lazy". This is typical SE. 2b was intended. They would have had to manually set flat butt to gear like ruffled skirt. At best, they might try to "save face" and claim it was a bug, rather than their own ineptitude... or maybe some "limitation" nonsense.

For reference. I already responded to this in the thread about this issue here:

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What probably happened is they overlooked adjusting raid bottoms, but adjusted the 2b outfit wholly for the flat butt. In doing so using the (now) adjusted 2b boots causes issues with regular raid bottoms.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Unfortunately, the "fix" for this will probably be nerfing the raid bottom butts now as well.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I going to link these so people can easily notice the change:


https://i.imgur.com/ou7sVrM.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/GoDb7pd.jpg

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Jeez, i didn't know it was this bad, they made them somehow look even worse than the original base butts. Does SE got some vendetta against butts? Did someone's butt get cut off at the company and now we all have to suffer buttless? Im not even a guy and i wish my viera had a little bit more in the rear section X)
Come on SE, i just want a cute little tush, is that so much to ask for?

Now they broke Glamour because they are afraid of butts. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Unironically the worst thing to ever happen to this game. Give me my fucking butt slider already. I don't care how many resources you need to devote to it.

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Originally Posted by Gardthorne

Unironically the worst thing to ever happen to this game. Give me my fucking butt slider already. I don't care how many resources you need to devote to it.

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Sure, but since you didn't specify, it only makes your butt smaller, or maybe it's the lala bust slider.

Clearly there's some bugs with all this. Maybe report it instead of claiming it was intentional.