What are your opinions on optimal pull size in the 71-79 dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Problem is, since "difference in playstyle" is a valid reason to make a report moot, you'll likely to have the same kind of answer if you report that the DPS let you solo mobs or healer don't heal you because they think you're too slow.

So, basically, if the whole group won't agree on a strat, they'll waste everybody's time.

And, remember that the stress you put on your healer is not yours to decide, but the healer's. So if they ask you to pull more, you're not doing them any "favor" by not doing so.

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are you really comparing not wall to wall pulling to a DPS not DPSing and a healer not healing?

give me a break and buy a clue.

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Originally Posted by Vulcann

not sure if this is a reply to me since their was no quote but i'm gonna take it as such

you sign up for a dungeon you are at the mercy of the tank and how they pull, don't like it leave and queue up again. pulling safe is not griefing you need to look up that word up in terms of MMO. just because you don't like the way the tank pulls doesn't mean they are griefing.

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I am most certainly not. Just because you're the tank doesn't mean you get to dictate how the dungeon will go. The party as a whole dictates that. If you have three people, especially the healer, asking you to pull more. Not only is the whole "safe" argument moot, you're placing yourself above the majority because only you matter. I, therefore, have ever right to leave or simply kick you should I opt to do so.

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Originally Posted by Vulcann

are you really comparing not wall to wall pulling to a DPS not DPSing and a healer not healing ?

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No, I'm comparing being a jerk tank :

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Originally Posted by Vulcann

if DPS don't like it well they can freely leave and go back into that DPS queue ... GG

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to being a jerk DPS or healer.

Dungeons are done in team, if your mentality is "my way or the highway", you're the one deserving to be kicked. Especially if you try to hide that behind doing a "favor" to your healer, that probably would appreciate bigger pulls so to not be bored.

Watch Lulcann go "you are commited for 90 minutes to a duty so I'm gonna make sure you better savor every last second of it" next.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Dungeons are done in team, if your mentality is "my way or the highway", you're the one deserving to be kicked. Especially if you try to hide that behind doing a "favor" to your healer, that probably would appreciate bigger pulls so to not be bored.

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I still maintain you'd have less of these tanks if you could swap jobs in the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

Watch Lulcann go "you are commited for 90 minutes to a duty so I'm gonna make sure you better savor every last second of it" next.

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says the guy that compared not wall to wall pulling to griefing.

#stayignorant

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

No

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actually you did.

pretty telling when you can't even comprehend what you type.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I still maintain you'd have less of these tanks if you could swap jobs in the dungeon.

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Yes, please. Allow players to swap to jobs of sufficient job- and item-level of any role currently missing. Party hostage situations immediately halved.

All tanks and all healers can easily do wall to wall pulls on all dungeons at those levels. If they cant do it, they're either undergeared or theyre not playing as well as they could.

If you go in as tank, look at your healers gear and make a judgement - Maybe test the waters by going ham and see if they can keep up, and save your invlun for this pull, not using any other cooldowns, to judge if they can keep up (its also generally best to use inlvun on the 1st/2nd big pull anyway, that way its back up after the 2nd boss atleast for that trash, and you really shouldnt have to use it on bosses.)

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Originally Posted by Vulcann

actually you did.

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Congratulations, you are a mind reader !

As for an actual reader, you still need to improve your skills.

Experience and seeing how the healer handles an initial large pull tells me what succession of packs I will pull most of the times. Luckily in a lot of dungeons, with the exception of the packs leading up to the first boss, they're set in such a way you can pull up to a certain point where they have to die in order to advance and thus I know I'm comfortable more often than not with pulling to that point and coping even if the healer struggles. I also slow down if the Healer asks for it.

A lot of factors come into account of course, if your DPS are bad at cleaving and your healer struggles and isn't a WHM that provides the extra mitigation of holy, then pulling pack by pack vs wall to wall barely makes an ounce of difference to speed.