Disabled person looking for easiest to play class/job

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

I can't for the life of me figure out why people keep recommending PLD as an "easy" tank job.

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Nobody said it is an easy job and that wasn't the question to begin with. But compared to most DDs and GNB, PLD plays slow as there aren't many oGCDs you need to wave into your rotation. For your offense there are "Fight or Flight" and "Requisiscat" on 60 seconds CD each plus "Spirits Within", "Circle of Scorn" and "Intervene" as your gap closer. You don't use FoF and Requiscat together and you only use Spirits Within with FoF and CoS only with Requisiscat, which also lowers your waving. So even DRK has more oGCD/Abilities to wave into their attack-rota.

If we are not talking about how easy a job is to pick up and play but only by looking at clicks-per-minute and the least oGCDs they need to wave into their rotation to make it easier for the OP's hand, then they would be actually better suited to play PLD then any other tank.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Nobody said it is an easy job

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LOTS of people say it's an easy job. Maybe not explicitly within this thread with that exact wording, but almost every person recommending a tank recommends PLD the most. Every single time the topic for a "beginner" tank is brought up, PLD is always first to be mentioned. The question had to do with a job that was easy for a disabled person and beginner, which is why I bring up questioning why people suggest PLD when it is semi-difficult job in comparison to WAR which is both easier for a beginner and for a person with a disability.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

PLD plays slow as there aren't many oGCDs. "Fight or Flight" and "Requisiscat" on 60 seconds CD each plus "Spirits Within", "Circle of Scorn" and "Intervene" You don't use FoF and Requiscat together and you only use Spirits Within with FoF and CoS only with Requisiscat

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PLD is not any "slower" than DRK or WAR. All three of them hover around 35-37 CPM. WAR is always lower than PLD's CPM, and sometimes DRK can reach up to ~40 CPM, but on average the three are very similar. GNB is the only one that is any sort of outlier, because it breaks 45+ CPM in some cases.

Do you know how many weaves are in the PLD opener? 10 for the FoF opener and 11 for the Requiescat opener with optional double weaving. The DRK opener has 13 weaves. 10/11 and 13 aren't that far apart. The WAR opener has 6 weaves with no double weaves, ever.

As far as all of your rotation voodoo goes: What? Spirits Within is only a 30 second cooldown, every other use of Spirits Within lands outside of FoF (FoF has a 60 second cooldown and 25 second duration), it can and should be used outside of FoF because it is always back up in time for the next FoF window. Circle of Scorn is used in every FoF and Requiescat window because it should be buffed by FoF and comes back up on the weave for Requiescat at the end of FoF, since the cooldown of CoS is the same as the duration of FoF. So, no, you do not "only use X ability during X buff". You use both of them every time they come off cooldown, regardless of buffs.

This is purely speaking from the rotation. PLD is a tank. It needs to use defensive oGCDs. Sheltron should be used as many times as possible when running dungeons since it is the only reliable source of passive mitigation PLD has, just like TBN and Raw Intuition/Nascent Glint on DRK/WAR.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

they would be actually better suited to play PLD then any other tank.

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No, this is bad advice for the reasons I've gone over. WAR is far more simple to play and has far less CPM to be as effective, which are both benefits to someone who is new and disabled. PLD has both more oGCDs and weaving and more niche utility to have to contend with learning than WAR.

To the OP: If mouse movement is a problem, XIV can be played on a controller during combat. XIV can also be played entirely on keyboard if you set up your hotbars and keybinds correctly. I use the old FFXI keyboard layout instead of WASD for battle. So my right hand controls movement using the numpad, the right thumb controls the camera using the directional arrows, and my left hand controls all battle movement with the top numbers, CTRL, ALT, and Shift. Tab targeting (with shift tab going from right to left) allows me to hit good parse numbers even on the more complex jobs.

I never touch the mouse in battle at all. (I also use a wedge "vertical" mouse for improved ergonomics for the times I do use a mouse, outside of combat.) I use a controller for certain things like interacting with my retainers, and gathering, since those parts of the game are menu-heavy and the controller feels more natural. But I know folks who use the controller exclusively in combat, and they have no problems keeping up with even Savage content.

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

I can't for the life of me figure out why people keep recommending PLD as an "easy" tank job. PLD has by far the most utility oGCDs of all tanks, and nearly all of them are used regularly.

Warrior is the easiest and least-hectic tank job. There is almost no weaving and no double-weaving required. You can get away with an VERY low APM on it. Perfect for someone who has trouble with their hands hurting as you don't have to press many buttons at all.

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OP said it themselves. Casual content and has no intention to raid. At that level all tank jobs play effectively the same, with Hallowed Ground being the only button that somehow attracts people and gives much more breathing room, as well as self healing that is immediately useful instead of an extra button press like Nascent Flash. Paladin also has more immediate benefits at a glance. Blocks all attacks for four seconds, cover, healing allies, etc. Looking back, introducing Paladin and not Warrior should they change their mind was a mistake strictly by APM, but I still stand by Thaumaturge/Samurai as the other classes being the least APM intensive, that's including melee movement.

I guess I'm one of 'those people' that genuinely think Paladin's gameplay barely changed from ARR/HW to now and even back in 4.0. Opener changed, sure, but it's the same formula. Well, that, and no self healing from Inner Beast/Steel Cyclone hurts a lot when it came to Warrior's self sustain =/

i would recommend to play a NON DPS healer, it will give you a lot of room to chill while playing. Also keep in mind to turn off showing Party Chat infos (via chat filters), so you don't have to read the complaines about Healer DPS. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Nobody said it is an easy job and that wasn't the question to begin with.

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Actually many people still saying PLD is the most easiest Tank to play with, while that's not true anymore. Those people has been freezed on ARR/HW and didn't moved foward to realize how Jobs has become different since then.

- PLD total Unique Skills at your Hotbar: 26
- WAR total Unique Skills at your Hotbar: 22

PLD has more Skills to deal with, more buttons to press, more mechanics to do...

- PLD Single Target Combos: 2 ( DoT + Damage )
- WAR Single Target Combos: 2 ( STR Boost + Damage )

Same amount of combos but PLD has more Steps to do, since there's no auto-STR boost like WAR does with "Storm's Eye" so you need to use "Fight or Flight" manually as a extra step for PLD rotation, the Damage Combo grants "Atonement" to deal with (1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - Repeat ) WAR just have to restart their rotation once done ( 1 - 2 - 3 - Repeat ).

- PLD AoE Skills: 6
- WAR AoE Skills: 3

PLD has more skills to deal with, while WAR is more straight foward, just use 2 skills until the third one become available with PLD you need to do the same thing and deal with your MP for more 3 Skills.

- PLD CDs: Longer
- WAR CDs: Faster

As WAR you can use your CDs often than PLD ones, so you have more window to spam it.

- PLD Party Utility Skills: 5
- WAR Party Utility Skills: 2

PLD has more skills to deal with, 2 skills needs to be well positioned ( Divine Veil + Passage of Arms ), while 1 WAR skill needs be well positioned ( Shake it Off ) and just need hit and done, while PLD must heal as extra Step to activate.

- PLD MP Skills: 4
- WAR MP Skills: 0

PLD has to deal with MP, for damage skills and Party Utility while WAR don't have to worry about it at all, there's Requiecast that requires you to recovery your MP in time the CD is ready, if you don't do that you lose performance. WAR don't have any Casted Skills while PLD has 3, Cast is harder than Insta actions, after all you need to stop while deal with mechanics like AoEs and find time to finish your casting without move while Insta Skills you don't have to stop moving at all.

- PLD Gauge: Defensive/Party Utility
- WAR Gauge: Damage

PLD gauge is slower to charge ( 15 per Rotation ), while WAR is way faster ( 30 per Rotation ) and has "Infuriate" to fully boost your Gauge to 100. PLD has to deal about different purposes for his gauge, protect yourself, reduce a Ally Damage or Absorb their Damage, there's different situations for each skill to use at best time possible. While WAR once more is straight foward, once charged just hit FC for Single Target or Decimate for Many Targets, no strategy.

So imo at this moment WAR is the easiest Tank to play with. Since they lost most of their mechanics what made them fun and complexy to play, aka, most of their skills, mechanics and Wrath Stacks that doesn't exist anymore WAR become pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

Do you know how many weaves are in the PLD opener? 10 for the FoF opener and 11 for the Requiescat opener with optional double weaving. The DRK opener has 13 weaves. 10/11 and 13 aren't that far apart.

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You are kidding, right? Without the pots it's 8 weaves of oGCDs between 21 GCDs over a time period of 54 seconds for PLD (with the last weaving around the 45 seconds mark). DRK, in the meantime, had already 13 weavings in the first 8 GCDs, after 18 seconds in the fight. Weaving 8 oCDs in 45 seconds or 13 in 18 seconds is VERY far apart, especially for a disabled person.

Also OP is playing casual, not Savage, so a perfect opener doesn't really matter.

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As far as all of your rotation voodoo goes: What?

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You are right about that, my mistake. It still has less oGCD-weaving then DRK or GNB.

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This is purely speaking from the rotation. PLD is a tank. It needs to use defensive oGCDs.

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As any other tank there is.

As far as clicks-per-minute goes, WAR and PLD are nearly the same, on the lower end of the tanking-scale. But while it's true that PLD is one of the more complex jobs with two different phases, dots to maintain and a lot of different utility options for you to decide on the spot, the OP is only disabled with their hands, not with their brain. So I guess only fast-clicking is an issue here, not fast thinking.

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Originally Posted by LiskA

i would recommend to play a NON DPS healer, it will give you a lot of room to chill while playing. Also keep in mind to turn off showing Party Chat infos (via chat filters), so you don't have to read the complaines about Healer DPS. :rolleyes:

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Yea, would be a real shame if people actually looked at the Conjurer quest line where SE openly mocks people who don't dps as a healer. For good reason.

Dunno why people are being so critical of PLD being recommended they were asking about casual content only not savage optimization. I have a disability and I play casual content only and I don’t optimize that much and everything is fine because I’m not doing savage though just to test myself I can clear the E1S striking dummy so meh.

Healers may have less actions to press compared with other roles, especially in casual content where it doesn't matter if you use every gcd perfectly, as you could just dps a little less when you're playing with friends or so.
But don't forget that for every heal you have to target the player that's being healed and then go back to targeting the enemy. Often you only have to heal the tank directly and the dps just get an aoe heal that you can cast without a target. But there are also moments where you will have to target others as well.
In dungeons, you will also have to target multiple enemies in quick succession to put your dot on them while targeting the tank in between to give him an ogcd shield an so on, all while running to the next pack of enemies.

I would recommend black mage or red mage. They don't have many actions where you have to target others, no instant cast dot you can spread on enemies while running between packs (so you won't have to switch targets like every second) and generally not as many casts per minute.

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

I can't for the life of me figure out why people keep recommending PLD as an "easy" tank job. PLD has by far the most utility oGCDs of all tanks, and nearly all of them are used regularly.

Warrior is the easiest and least-hectic tank job. There is almost no weaving and no double-weaving required. You can get away with an VERY low APM on it. Perfect for someone who has trouble with their hands hurting as you don't have to press many buttons at all.

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I recommended paladin because it is (for me) the most intuitive tank to play. The abilities do grow in number but I don't feel stress from clicking on all the buttons.

With that said, you are totally right about warriors. They would be fantastic for someone with trouble with their hands.

Kallistra, and the much missed Selli, recommended that the OP try out different classes and play the one they liked the most. I think that's the best advice, really.

BUT...

In the interest of helping the OP, I'll list what jobs to avoid for now.

Monk. Now, I love monk. It's simple to play and does good damage. However, it requires a lot of button pushing.

Dragoon. The same. I adore the job and am leveling it on an alt. Again, easy to play but requires a lot of button pushing.

Black Mage. This one is borderline. It has an easy rotation but you have to be really good at picking where you should stand. This will frustrate new players. But, it is a fun class.

Dancer. Super fun, but dear goddess... your fingers will cry.

Machinist. The same as dancer. Love this job but it is busy as hell.

Samurai: Nice class. Try something else first to build up your speed and confidence.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Dragoon has a ton of buttons to press even just for their main GCD combo skills. If someone has mobility issues, having too many button presses outside of easily reachable keys is a pain. I broke my left arm completely in 2 about a year and a half ago and the number of buttons I could easily press was vastly reduced, even moreso once the cast came off and I had to rely on my muscles for stability rather than the cast. I had trouble playing even the simplest rotations for several months and even a single dungeon run was enough to cause pain in my arm and overall fatigue.

RDM was the only job I was able to manage during that time due to its simplicity, so I'd recommend RDM for being the lowest button presses on average. Their main rotation is only 5 buttons because 3 of their spells get replaced with their procced versions. They only have 3 oGCD to weave regularly with plenty of time to weave them because of Dual Cast and none of them need to be used in specific places in the rotation so you can be relatively leisurely in using them. Their melee combo is rare enough that you can get away with mouse clicking it.

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That's why as my closing I suggested just not to play melee because they all press a lot of buttons.

Ok as a person with carpal tunnel and arthritis, and a casual gamer :P. War is easier to play than whm depending on the group. whm if you get a pull the whole dungeon type of tank I know than my left hand is numb after that dungeon and right is going that way. >.< But I love the whm, and with a normal group it's not nearly as bad. War on the other hand you set the pace so it's not as bad and lots less panic button pushing :P. But I use a mouse with extra buttons because the left is worse than the right, so I put 5 or 6 spells on it to help out. With only 6 on the keyboard 1-6 Also on the 1 and the 5 I use nail polish dots took 3 or 4 drops on each one to make them stick up enough when the issues kick up with the left hand. Honestly if your playing with friends play what you want to though, try them all and see what works for you. Welcome to ff14 from a ex wow player :P

Red Mage.

Its basic rotation is enough to take you through all the content to the 80 cap without issues, and you can left out all the extra buttons of more optimized rotations (or maybe use them when you feel so), without any need or urge on doing the extra buttons pushing.

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Originally Posted by Server_Error

Hello everyone,

I am a new to FFXIV. I have played a wide range of games from platformers to RPGs to adventure games on PC and Game consoles. I spent 10 yrs on WOW. I do have a question about this game that is a bit unique. I would like everyones opinion on which class/job would be the easiest to play for someone who is somewhat disabled with their hands.

To keep the story short so that I don't use up too much of your time. My wife and I are both lifetime PC gamers but were in a serious car accident a few years ago. My hands are ok but get tired and cramp easily now. We used to do alot of end game raiding in world of warcraft. I used to have a very high average click rate. Now my issue is that I can't click or press button repeatedly very quickly so a spamming flay style is out. I am not planning on participating in end game content or anything like that. Mostly my wife and I plan on just enjoying the game and grinding out levels or chilling with professions like gardening.

So on to my question. Is there a class/job that has slow click rate for their rotation or has a lot of give in terms of making mistakes? Especially if there is one that has good enough output for questing with little clicking.

Thank you in advance for any help. :)

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My mom is 71 and I hit 41 this year, we've both found rdm to be the easiest. We also both use controllers, she an xbox controller and I a playstation style one. The rotation is forgiving, with only the three move melee combo being the one that has to be nailed properly. Other than that, it's just keeping track of black and white mana and casting the spell that will raise the lower mana.

I am also physically disabled with a lot of nerve damage in my arms which can make my fingers a bit twitchy. I do well with RDM and WHM. Feel free to send me a message on here for more information and macro suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Machinist. The same as dancer. Love this job but it is busy as hell.

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Interesting. I love MCH too, but if you think it's busy then you should try SMN. As SMN main I go to MCH when I want to not be so busy.

Another aspect that hasn't been brought up here is hardware. Controller vs keyboard/mouse. Using special gaming keyboards, foot pedals and the like can also make the game more accessible for those with physical issues. I would have a hard time with this game without my Logitech G13.

tank: warrior
healer: white mage
dps: black mage

best bet.

I main WAR and I'd agree that we generally don't have too complex/fast a rotation. Especially since you can control the pacing of the dungeon you are in. So if you don't pull wall to wall, you won't have to worry about burning CDs as often, cus healers can usually keep up with smaller trash pulls just fine.

My only other exposures have been the Heavensward jobs and SCH/SMN, though.

I do find I USUALLY don't necessarily have to hit buttons hectically as Scholar either, but I also think that is highly dependent on the group you are in and the need for your skill button usage can vary pretty widely. Whereas the pace of a tank's skill use in a specific fight is decided by the mob they are tanking, who's behavior is more predictable than a human's.

But if you aren't looking to be a l33t savage raider, you can probably do with any DPS or Tank, hit buttons at your own pace, and still clear the content as long as you do mechanics. Even endgame raiding like Eden at the moment, or the 24 mans. People don't "optimally" use their skill kits all the time and still make clears.

tldr: I'd go WAR.

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Originally Posted by NosamKin

Interesting. I love MCH too, but if you think it's busy then you should try SMN. As SMN main I go to MCH when I want to not be so busy.

Another aspect that hasn't been brought up here is hardware. Controller vs keyboard/mouse. Using special gaming keyboards, foot pedals and the like can also make the game more accessible for those with physical issues. I would have a hard time with this game without my Logitech G13.

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Good advice. I bought a g600 MMO mouse last year and it helps me pull off my aoe rotations by using the 7-8-9 buttons. I feel like I should get much more use out of it but each time I use a thumb press my hand contracts so that the pinky catches the mouse to keep it from moving right so using it affects my targeting and movement pretty badly. I have difficulty using modifier keys so the mouse is still useful only using 3 of 12 but I wish I could use more.

I play PLD as my main tank but I recommended WAR because of the paladins' utility defenses which require getting a player targeted before they are cast.