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10-01-2019, 05:39 PM
Pepsi_Plunge

Aside from all the jokes: When your kids are crying you propably shouldn't be playing to begin with. Take care of them, then come back.
10-01-2019, 05:44 PM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Aside from all the jokes: When your kids are crying you propably shouldn't be playing to begin with. Take care of them, then come back.

As someone who marginally understands parenthood: Sometimes kids just cry when they want attention.

Lots of my friends try to balance their kids and their gaming and as their gamer friends we understand this means sometimes they will be called away or have sudden and loud interruptions. Generally they are considerate enough to limit our exposure but kids have a knack for circumventing any sort of counter tactics to their attention getting.

Crying kids aren't always actually in distress and parents generally have a good idea of which is which. ...

I appreciate the effort of those who do have kids to not expose me to wailing and screeching but understand it's gonna happen sometimes.
10-01-2019, 06:04 PM
Lambdafish

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Crying kids aren't always actually in distress and parents generally have a good idea of which is which. ...

Raiding at a time where the likelihood of a child wanting attention is just as bad. Raiding while in the same room as kids is not the same as watching them, the kids aren't getting the attention they need, and the party is just getting noise pollution. I also appreciate people who work their raiding around their kids, and will do everything I can to support it, but thats the standard etiquette, not someone who has gone above and beyond.
10-01-2019, 06:31 PM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Raiding at a time where the likelihood of a child wanting attention is just as bad. Raiding while in the same room as kids is not the same as watching them, the kids aren't getting the attention they need, and the party is just getting noise pollution. I also appreciate people who work their raiding around their kids, and will do everything I can to support it, but thats the standard etiquette, not someone who has gone above and beyond.

Kids ALWAYS want attention and humans eventually need sleep or have to work to support said kids or pay for the place they sleep in so they have a limited window to do luxury things like gaming. If your standards require you never are exposed to someone's kids interruption then ..yeah.. you'll likely not get along with people who have kids.
10-01-2019, 08:31 PM
YojimboM

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Kids ALWAYS want attention and humans eventually need sleep or have to work to support said kids or pay for the place they sleep in so they have a limited window to do luxury things like gaming. If your standards require you never are exposed to someone's kids interruption then ..yeah.. you'll likely not get along with people who have kids.

This is why when you have kids, you take on the responsibility of 5-6 years of your life being devoted entirely to 24/7 care of a small human being and their every single need. You don't get to do "luxury" things like gaming. A kid isn't a hobby, or even a job, it is literally a life. A lot of parents don't seem to realize that these days.

Even more confusing why someone would be raiding at times when their child would need attention, like mentioned before. But, that is straying from the OP, I'd hope someone old enough to have children would also have the common courtesy to spare people around them.
10-01-2019, 09:12 PM
Lacan

The moral of the story is, if you wanna be a raider, please use a rubber.
10-01-2019, 10:22 PM
JowyAtreides

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

This is why when you have kids, you take on the responsibility of 5-6 years of your life being devoted entirely to 24/7 care of a small human being and their every single need. You don't get to do "luxury" things like gaming. A kid isn't a hobby, or even a job, it is literally a life. A lot of parents don't seem to realize that these days.

Even more confusing why someone would be raiding at times when their child would need attention, like mentioned before. But, that is straying from the OP, I'd hope someone old enough to have children would also have the common courtesy to spare people around them.

I'm a bit tentative on your first paragraph personally. Having a child shouldn't invalidate who a person is prior to having a child but for people to be expected to give up all "luxuries" in order to devote themselves to their child is what leads to things such as burnout, loss of personal opinion or identity, stress, depression and in some cases suicide. I can speak personally about feelings of the above mentioned situations.

Everyone needs self-care, if a video game is what people consider to be their hour or 2 a week portion of self-care to be, there is literally no one with the right to judge, so long as it doesn't become a priority over the needs of a child.

Unwanted noises from children fall into the same category as eating noises, background music and snorting. Every one of us should be observant of the disruptions around us.

Perhaps I've gotten too real for what is essentially a troll thread but it's quite alarming the opinion of some people have towards those who are doing something as simple as sustaining our existence on this planet. Without children being born, we wouldn't be here enjoying the games we play :)
10-01-2019, 10:25 PM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

This is why when you have kids, you take on the responsibility of 5-6 years of your life being devoted entirely to 24/7 care of a small human being and their every single need. You don't get to do "luxury" things like gaming. A kid isn't a hobby, or even a job, it is literally a life. A lot of parents don't seem to realize that these days.

So even if the other person responsible for the baby is attending to them they are never allowed a break? Having a baby doesn't invalidate or eliminate your wants as a human being, it just allows a lot less time for them.

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

Even more confusing why someone would be raiding at times when their child would need attention, like mentioned before. But, that is straying from the OP, I'd hope someone old enough to have children would also have the common courtesy to spare people around them.

Aside from actual needs (and even then.. kids and needs isn't always schedulable) , it's REALLY hard to judge when your kid is gonna toddle up and want SOMETHING. Kids aren't a condemnation to never have fun until they're old enough to leave the house. Common courtesy is not forcing people to endure your kids if you have the power to. It's also common courtesy to understand that kids do some unpredictable and uncommonly inventive disruptive things and be patient about it.
10-01-2019, 10:32 PM
Lacan

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Originally Posted by JowyAtreides

Perhaps I've gotten too real for what is essentially a troll thread but it's quite alarming the opinion of some people have towards those who are doing something as simple as sustaining our existence on this planet. Without children being born, we wouldn't be here enjoying the games we play :)

They're actually killing the planet. :v Like, having a kid is literally the worst thing you can do for the environment. You're responsible for their entire carbon footprint. Don't do it, the ocean temp is continually rising as it is.
10-01-2019, 10:35 PM
Mavrias

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Why is it your business how other ppl raise their kids?

If voice chat annoys you, just mute them or leave it. Or do raids during times when their kids are asleep.

To be fair, the actual solution would be for the person with the screaming children to switch to Push to Talk.
10-01-2019, 10:37 PM
JowyAtreides

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Originally Posted by Lacan

They're actually killing the planet. :v Like, having a kid is literally the worst thing you can do for the environment. You're responsible for their entire carbon footprint. Don't do it, the ocean temp is continually rising as it is.

If it makes you feel any better, I work for a company that makes plastic so I'm pretty much damning the planet as we speak. I may as well make it into a competition to see who kills the planet the most.

I wonder if I'll get a mount for it.

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Or do raids during times when their kids are asleep.

Kid falls out of bed and screams, lose/lose.
10-01-2019, 10:38 PM
Mavrias

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Push to Talk isn’t very convenient for controller players. Just an FYI.

It just takes a touch of practice, but it should absolutely be done if you have any sort of loud consistent background noise (busy traffic from the nearby road, yelling children, barking dogs, etc). Be considerate to the people youre in voice with.
10-01-2019, 10:43 PM
SaberMaxwell

Lacan's back, hm?
10-01-2019, 10:44 PM
Mavrias

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

As someone who marginally understands parenthood: Sometimes kids just cry when they want attention.

Lots of my friends try to balance their kids and their gaming and as their gamer friends we understand this means sometimes they will be called away or have sudden and loud interruptions. Generally they are considerate enough to limit our exposure but kids have a knack for circumventing any sort of counter tactics to their attention getting.

Crying kids aren't always actually in distress and parents generally have a good idea of which is which. ...

I appreciate the effort of those who do have kids to not expose me to wailing and screeching but understand it's gonna happen sometimes.

Just play with the kid in the same room as you. Its literally that simple. When i baby sat my cousins and they started screaming while i was playing a game, i just let them sit on my lap or next to me on the couch and let them watch or otherwise interacted with them while i was playing. Boom. No more screaming toddler. Sometimes kids just want to be acknowledged. Thats not the worst thing ever.
10-01-2019, 10:54 PM
JowyAtreides

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Just play with the kid in the same room as you. Its literally that simple. When i baby sat my cousins and they started screaming while i was playing a game, i just let them sit on my lap or next to me on the couch and let them watch or otherwise interacted with them while i was playing. Boom. No more screaming toddler. Sometimes kids just want to be acknowledged. Thats not the worst thing ever.

To be fair, 9 out of 10 parents will do this already.

Sadly there are people contained within this thread who are telling people that they shouldn't be raiding or even playing games because they have a child.
10-02-2019, 12:58 AM
HyoMinPark

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Originally Posted by YojimboM

You know what else is inconvenient for any person in any location or situation and everyone else in their vicinity? Incessant ear-shattering screeching because someone either can't or won't control their children in public. It's rude. The person with kids needs to have some respect of the other members of the group and either stay muted or deal with using push-to-talk regardless of controller or not.

Honestly, it's not a question of "parenting" or anything else, it's common courtesy to not disturb people around you. It's the same thing as people coughing in public without covering their mouths, spitting gum out on sidewalks, or not putting toilet seats/lids down before flushing.

If this is the case, kindly ask them to Mute themselves. Or have a Discord admin mute them: members of a server with privileges to mute members can do this. Controller users have to remove their hands from a controller to active Push to Talk, so muting oneself is preferable.

If I have noise on my end, I mute myself. That’s simply easier for me during a fight. Especially since I don’t do any sort of call outs.
10-02-2019, 01:51 AM
Rasikko

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Lacan's back, hm?

I just hope I'm not the only one who has this guy figured out and you're all just feeding his ego for the sake of a little entertainment around here.
10-02-2019, 01:51 AM
Lambdafish

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Originally Posted by JowyAtreides

Sadly there are people contained within this thread who are telling people that they shouldn't be raiding or even playing games because they have a child.

I think you are reading the absolute worst comments as the general consensus. Just have some respect. You and your kids aren't the center of the world and if you are being noisy and disruptive then it doesn't matter if it is caused by kids, pets, loud music, or traffic, it's on you to either stop the noise, turn on push to talk, or leave the call/content.
10-02-2019, 01:53 AM
SerLuke

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

This seems like a post created to get players without kids to argue with people with kids and vice versa.

That’s exactly what it was, then the OP followed it up with multiple off topic posts telling people not to have children.
10-02-2019, 02:10 AM
Noitems

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Lacan's back, hm?

It's always a treat when Lacan posts.
10-02-2019, 02:26 AM
JowyAtreides

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I think you are reading the absolute worst comments as the general consensus. Just have some respect. You and your kids aren't the center of the world and if you are being noisy and disruptive then it doesn't matter if it is caused by kids, pets, loud music, or traffic, it's on you to either stop the noise, turn on push to talk, or leave the call/content.

If you think me pointing out that there "are some people" is somehow a general consensus, that is on you.

I don't need telling because I don't voice chat to anyone other than my partner.

For what it's worth, you've literally just re-written what I wrote but in your own words.

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Originally Posted by JowyAtreides

Unwanted noises from children fall into the same category as eating noises, background music and snorting. Every one of us should be observant of the disruptions around us.
10-02-2019, 04:14 AM
Saefinn

Moving away from the OP's obvious attempt to rile people.

When it comes to voice, I'll say, obnoxious background noise or just too much loud noise is really grating. Especially when you're trying to focus and clear content or are trying to handle mechanics, talk people through stuff. So I think for people in general, it is good to be self aware of the noise around you. And it's a courtesy I return. I've set up my mic so it also plays through my headset so I can hear what's being picked up by my mic. But I also run my own FC and Discord and we have a few courteous expectations on it (nothing too rigid because we're generally quite laid back), but when it's your channel then you can decide what you want and don't want, of course within reason (as if you're unreasonable, people'll just leave). Push to talk is also great, but not easy for everybody. If I'm guesting somebody else's channel, then as far as I am concerned, it's not my place to say how people should behave and if I don't like it, I can mute the people who're annoying me or simply leave.

That said. I have absolutely no issue if parents with young children want to play this game. Or even for those people to use voice. Its rare for it to be a constant noise and if it is, people can turn their mic off until it goes away. One of the guys who joins us on voice has a very well behaved kid, we've heard him talking to his kid, but never had any issues with the kid. And you never know who is around when a parent is playing and they've got kids nearby. I don't think it's irresponsible parenting as long as the kid is not being neglected. Heck, some parents introduce their kids to gaming, I used to watch my mum play Monkey Island, Pushover or James Pond and other Amiga classics.

So I'd just not jump to conclusions about anybody's parenting here.
10-02-2019, 04:37 AM
TheMightyMollusk

This would be so much less of a problem if people just ate their young like nature intended.
10-02-2019, 04:44 AM
Lunavi

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Lacan's back, hm?

Did they ever leave? This topic is interesting though so I stick with it for now.
10-02-2019, 04:59 AM
Silver-Strider

Do you suffer from Par·ent·ing?
10-02-2019, 05:14 AM
Eli85

So, a few things:

1) Mute the people who are allowing their kids to scream into their mic. If they have no control over their kids and / or choose to play a video game while they're out of control, they are not worth listening to in the first place.
2) Do not raid with people who let their kids scream into the mic, because, just like 1), they're not worth listening to.
3) Find a static and / or FC that has mature, upstanding people. I gotta tell you, I've raided for a very, very long time, and not once did I ever have to deal with nonsense like this. Why? I choose to raid with people who are mature, upstanding, and don't play video games while their children obviously need attention.
10-02-2019, 06:01 AM
Gwenorai

I thought it was basic etiquette to mute your mic if loud obnoxious noises are incoming from your end. Did that change?

If your baby/kid is crying, apologise and go see what the deal is. Sure they scream bloody murder for the sake of screaming, but assuming they're just doing it for attention again isn't the best route. Many a sad tale comes out of parents assuming the kids calling wolf again, when yeah.... nope - something is genuinely wrong.

That's not even a judgement of one's parenting, that's just a 'brah' moment.

I personally think anyone who allows their kid to screech in the mic and makes zero attempt to remedy the situation is pretty obnoxious.
10-02-2019, 09:53 AM
Anienai

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Originally Posted by Lacan

that sounds awful... why do people have them again?

A stork does not drop them off?
10-02-2019, 10:20 AM
Jybril

-See's it Lacan as the OP before even clicking the danged topic-
Welp.
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10-02-2019, 10:40 AM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Just play with the kid in the same room as you. Its literally that simple. When i baby sat my cousins and they started screaming while i was playing a game, i just let them sit on my lap or next to me on the couch and let them watch or otherwise interacted with them while i was playing. Boom. No more screaming toddler. Sometimes kids just want to be acknowledged. Thats not the worst thing ever.

It's.. really not. Kids do weird things. Kids make noises sometimes just because they like making the noise. I'm not saying ignore your kids, I'm saying that sometimes screaming is gonna happen and while it would be nice if the parent in that case shuts off the mic, sometimes they're just kinda numb to it already and It's not a case of them being inconsiderate, just human.

I accept that my friends with kids are going to be a certain level of audio and interaction, and that's OK.
10-02-2019, 10:51 AM
Deceptus

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Originally Posted by Lacan

that sounds awful... why do people have them again?

Because they can eventually turn into pretty cool little people / big people if you do it right.
10-02-2019, 12:07 PM
Alucard135

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Because they can eventually turn into pretty cool little people / big people if you do it right.

But it takes so long to level them up. Isn't there a jump potion that we can use?
10-02-2019, 12:31 PM
xxvaynxx

Why do people without kids or even raised some themselves always feel the need to teach/ or criticize people with kids how to raise them.
10-02-2019, 02:11 PM
Awha

Idk way I see it this is like letting your kid scream or cry in a restaurant. I personally cannot fathom any reasonable explanation or reason as to why others should be the ones forced to take action due to the actions of the parent and their child.
10-02-2019, 03:12 PM
Saefinn

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

But it takes so long to level them up. Isn't there a jump potion that we can use?

I doubt SE will add them, it’d break immersion, though I see no harm in SE boosting exp or making content a little easier, I know hardcore raiders might disagree, but it needs to be more approachable for casual players.
10-02-2019, 03:26 PM
JunseiKei

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Originally Posted by Lacan

watch your kids when you're raiding. I can't count the times I've had to listen to screaming kids over voice chat when trying to raid something. I don't know how you manage to balance playing a MMO hardcore and raising children, that's none of my business, but please do something if they're screaming, they might have been drinking stuff from under the sink or something.

> Kids over voice chat
>> FFXIV doesn't have a built in voice communication system.

Seems like a weird way to not handle the situation on your own.
10-02-2019, 03:58 PM
Awha

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

> Kids over voice chat
>> FFXIV doesn't have a built in voice communication system.

Seems like a weird way to not handle the situation on your own.

I get this is a troll thread, and not as a means to single out your comment just using it as a general context. Should we as players think that voice chat does not play a major part of modern day gaming especially in terms of higher end content? While certainly it is optional in the strictness sense of the word, for many players I can most certainly see how it does not feel optional.
10-02-2019, 05:01 PM
cactusbees

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Originally Posted by E4EO

I don’t know whether I agree or disagree with you. As I said being a parent is a full time job, and with what precious little free time the parents have, maybe they would want to spend it doing something fun like playing a video game.

But at the same time, why why WHY would you chose a always online game to play? You don’t know if your child will start crying mid way through a dungeon, trial, raid, etc, it’s a constant bomb waiting to go off, you may be able to predict when a child will start crying and adjust accordingly though but I doubt it’ll be accurate as predicting when you’ll have to leave for class, work, a date, or something else.

Maybe they should focus on crafting and gathering, only play when the child is at daycare/school, playing single player games (Final Fantasy is amazing and it’s relevant to this discussion) or doing something else, idk.

Reason I don't voice chat, is because everyone would probably hear my preschooler yell, "MOMMY, I POOPED!" from down the hall, followed by my grumbling. Life happens.

This is also the reason I'm playing at 3 am..
10-02-2019, 09:11 PM
Lacan

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Originally Posted by Noitems

It's always a treat when Lacan posts.

ah geez, you're gonna make me blush :o
10-02-2019, 09:25 PM
HappyHealer

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Originally Posted by Awha

Idk way I see it this is like letting your kid scream or cry in a restaurant. I personally cannot fathom any reasonable explanation or reason as to why others should be the ones forced to take action due to the actions of the parent and their child.

It's extremely rude, but the only solution is to stay away from "family" restaurants. No big chains. If I ever opened a restaurant I'd have a big fat "NO KIDS" sign on the door. It's not their fault because they are little and don't know any better, but their trashy parents are the worst. Let them cry, order a bunch of food, take forever, and then don't tip. They seem to think it is the restaurant's responsibility to watch little Timmy as he darts between server's feet who are carrying trays of heavy and hot food as well as drinks. Trash. A huge waste of a server's time and they always leave behind a colossal mess. These people should be forced to tip 75% of the bill for the way they behave, better yet, they shouldn't be allowed in at all. You'll never catch me in a Chili's. lol Overpriced microwaved food and squalling children. No thanks!

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