Paladin has no utility - The you list a whole bunch of utility skills.
PLD lore is that they are a guard, they shouldn't do AOE. - Don't know how your gonna guard someone from 20 brigands running at them without it.
PLD should have spells but not offensive ones? - what...
You obviously have an idea of what you want a Paladin to be, but it's not the "Final Fantasy" iteration of it. Paladin in it's current state, plays how they have designed FF Paladins over the years. If you don't like it, then that's fair enough you can have your opinion, but the vast majority of people like it the way it is.
Also the way you interact with people in this thread is disgusting, maybe don't be so condescending and confrontation and people will be more likely to listen to you.
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08-16-2019, 12:54 AMTheRealQuah
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08-16-2019, 01:37 AMNedkel
I suggest OP to lvl up PLD up to 80 lvl at least before making such a silly statements.
It feels pretty horrible to play under 75 lvl, it gets better at 80 when PLD gets everything he needs, no casting time on spells, confiteur, atonement etc. I promise PLD gets 100% better once you lvl it up to max.
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Btw, maybe you should try out playing a healer if you like to use utility and etc stuff? Healers are in demand, they get adventure in need very often.
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08-16-2019, 01:42 AMAtamis
Friendly reminder its not called paladin in the JP client. ナイト is Knight. The localization team just bamboozled you because Paladins are a staple thing in western games.
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08-16-2019, 01:44 AMNedkelI want to be a Knight. :cQuote:
Originally Posted by Atamis
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08-16-2019, 01:52 AMUliq
OK, ok. Sorry OP but your not looking at Paladin as what it is actually supposed to be thematically. Paladin isn't paladin in this game. Paladin is Gladiator. That is what it is supposed to be and nothing more. The title Paladin was a bad choice to give the class lore wise altogether. It isn't scripted, storied or designed to be a shield tank. It's supposed to an offensive attacker with a shield for personal defense. Taking it into the whole shtick of what an actual Paladin does in Heavensward and further with abilities like Divine Veil and all the holy moves I can see where your misunderstanding comes from. But Paladins aren't holy rightful protectors in this game.
Also. They can't give a class too much tankiness because it would cause healers to become irrelevant so in keeping with balance they limit your shields. Now would you rather have a hotbar full of 1 hit defense buffs or mitigation tools that mitigate like 1% dmg for 2 seconds? -
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08-16-2019, 03:53 AMMakeda
Knight would have been a lot better localization than Paladin. For me Paladin has always been influenced by a combination of Dungeons & Dragons where you’re all about being super-judgemental to the history of the crusades which is... even worse...
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08-16-2019, 06:00 AMMagnedeusThen be a Dark Knight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
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08-16-2019, 09:32 AMQuriPaladin is a high ranking knight though. Localization just took the literal name for the class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atamis
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08-16-2019, 03:51 PMRakshazi- Paladin HAD a much more utility, than he has nowQuote:
Originally Posted by TheRealQuah
- I've never said we don't need AoE, but I've said that Confiteor is out of place, just like the any damaging SPELL we have now. SE could give us much more than this, in field of utility or even damage, instead of AoE spells when we already have a decent damage AoE physical rotation. READ WHAT I SAY, and only then write your answer.
- Paladin can have offensive spells if they will fit thematicaly and will fit in his rotation. Now they don't. We simply spent all our mana in spells, then recover it back via physical rotation to spent again to zero. You know what that is? Bad and lame design. It's bad because it forses to spend one of our resources to full only to do damage, that already there. If they wanted PLD to do magick damage so bad they could've give us some REALY COOL ability on 20-30 sec. CD. Not this.
- The way i treat people is the way I am. You don't like it? Can''t help it. I'm as polite as I can be. And you/me/he/she can't be liked be everyone. -
08-16-2019, 04:02 PMRakshaziI played this game a while so I don't need to lvlup something to 80 to see it's bad designed. Don't get me wrong (maybe you all do) I can see that PLD plays smooth right now and he KINDA have everything in it's place. But even it plays smoothly it doesn't mean it's fitting to the theme of job. Right now the rotation we have is simple and effective - we spend all of our mana in the start, then we get it up to full by physical rotation to spent it again. Our CDs are timed so we allways have either physical or magickal DPS buff. Seems right? WRONG. This is where the poor design shows up. Instead of giving us clever resource management and situational utility we simply SPEND to zero one of our resources just to keep rotation going. And not even on bosses, but on crap pulls too! The thing that shows that it's bad is that we must spent ALL our mana to dps and if something goes wrong we will not have the resources for Clemency!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
Oh, and about DPS that is relevant now - as I said before PLD could provide enemies with defense debuffs after counterattacks or OFENSIVE SPELL so this wffect would keep the whole party's DPS in check and could even be higher than it's now. I never said in this tread that PLD should do no damage, but I've said that there is more interesting and more befiting ways to do it. -
08-16-2019, 04:20 PMRakshazi- In this game paldain is the gladiator who rose up to royal guard. And by the way, do you know why people use shields? That's right to defend themselves and those who around. And if as gladiator you can enter arena 1 v 1 and defend yourself, when you are the paladin you defend another person as well. The lore based we are TRAVELING KNIGHT whose all training lied in the field of defense. And it is LORED, SCRIPTED and DESIGNED (in all of the expansions up untill now) to be shield tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uliq
- Paladins are not holy protectors in this game, I agree with that, but they are rightfull and they are protectors.
- It's not about to give job too much tankiness it's about to give him more proper ways to dish out damage and use his weapons. The realm Reborn paladin had an AWESOME skill that you could use after block, strike the foe with shield and debuffing them! Why did SE deleted that? That was FUN, FITTING and proper way of using your weapon! Yes, the shield is a weapon and any HEMA entusiast like me will tell you and prove you that. Hells, I wouldn't even be mad if they give us this back and take the shield bash stun away, because it ruins the combo chain and all tanks have their stun anyway...
- No, i don't want the hotbar full of defensive options, but I want my hotbar be full of fun, fitting actions that could be used when they needed instead of becoming the battle mage after 35 levels of learning how to keep my guard up and use the sword. I will say it 1000+ times if I need it to - the spells we have now are bad designed and needed to be either removed and replaced or reworked in more proper and fun way. -
08-16-2019, 04:33 PMRakshaziYeah, about Atonement awfull design - the Royal Authority gives us 3 stacks of Sword Oath so we FORCED to press one button 3 times to do some damage 3 times and restore 400 MP per atack. WHY THO!? Why the damn 3 times!? Why the 3 stacks on 12 seconds timer!? WHY!? It would be much better so we can SAVE the stacks for the time we actualy need some DPS+mana restoration than forcing us to use it now OR it could be just the SINGLE STRIKE that will do around 1000 potency and restore 1000 MP so we can continue with rotation. This IS the lame, boring and bad designed and you can't say it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynia