Remove the 2nd ring slot and roll the stats into Waist/Belt.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

If anything was to be removed I'd say the belt. It doesn't even show up on your character.

Though the way rings work kind of irks me, that you need two rings but sets of gear come with one unique ring. I just don't get why they have unique rings.

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This. They should remove the "Unique" tag from rings (I know they did that with the lvl50 Hero belts in ARR so it's not impossible), especially since 9 times out of 10 you'll be stuck with a ring that brings your average ilvl down by one (example; you're stuck with ilvl399 with a full augmented Scaevan set until you get a Voeburtite ring from the lvl73 dungeon) with really drives me up the wall.

As for belts, while I wish they did show up on your character because there are a bunch of them that have really cool looking icons, I'd imagine if they started doing this it would clip horrendously with the other gear given how they're often designed. I'd rather them dedicate that slot for something like a "Secondary Glamour Slot", so you could wear hats with glasses, claws/nails with (fingerless) gloves, etc.

Actually I kinda wish belts would go away too. They don't display on characters so it feels to me like the only reason that slot still exists is for 1.0 legacy reasons.

If I had the power to rework gear slots, I would remove the belt and second ring, distribute their stats amongst the other accessories, add a bit of extra on top to compensate for the lost materia slots, and increase the tomestone/crafting costs of accessories accordingly.

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...but if I had the power AND infinite budget, I would instead rework belts into a miscellaneous glamourable slot for things that don't fall under the other accessory categories, such as glasses wearable with hats, tail/back decorations, perhaps some actual sashes and belts, etc.

Go the other way and make belts the waist slot visible. Belts, skirts, sashes, all sorts of things that can be layered over pants instead of being stuck to either the body or legs slot.

(Never mind the clipping, just let people decide whether it looks good and glamour over it if it doesn't work.)

Remove the 2nd ring slot, and turn it into a cosmetic slot.
I want to carry my umbrella into battle

I don't really craft and I still think they shouldn't remove the second ring because of how it would/could affect crafters.

Are we requesting this because of inventory/armoury issues? Since we can wear a left ring and a right ring they could just have a separate armoury pool for left and right and let us choose where each ring goes. That seems like the easiest "fix" to me. That way people can still do their glamour, crafters can still do their thing, and the devs don't have to do a ton of work.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Waist equipment slot have always been in-between accessory and armor. But now that accessories have VIT, there's very little difference between the two.

So when SE touched on maybe removing the additional ring slot at this past Live Letter,
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5126767
I thought it would be a good opportunity to make the waist more distinguishable by giving it higher stat weight and an additional Materia slot to make up the loss of the 2nd ring.

I prefer this idea to simply replacing the ring with another type of accessory. What are your guys thoughts?

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I've got the 470ilvl waist from the raid and it does come with 2 materia slots. The ilvl 440 tome waist doesn't have that.


Maybe change the second ring to like an artifact or relic or talisman or whatever, like a special piece (not visible maybe) that you would get from finishing the final job story quest and then would be further upgradable with some items that drop only in savage raid, last boss of each tier and then also have another quest you have to do with each tier.

So that with each new savage tier that item will also be upgradable to the new max ilvl cap.


And before the 'savage raiding should be removed from this game' people will come at me and hang me up maybe have the required items to upgrade that relic also be able to purchase it with the coins that drop from the alliance raid later, just like how you can get tomestones to max ilvl.




However with the pruning of job quests in Shadowbringers and with the addition of more jobs in the future I doubt they will ever do this as it will no doubt come with a lot of extra lore corporation work.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

I don't see why they should remove second ring to be honest. There are always two rings at highest iLvl, so it doesn't by necessity make sense to do this.

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Because there is only one armory section for rings with 2 times the amount of gear compared to other slots, leading to space issues.

I understand the concern for removing a ring but unless they double the armory chest size of rings to compensate for the need to fill two slots instead of one like every other equipment, one should go. On top of that, the one-unique-ring for gearsets was always awkward.

With belts having no physical asset since 2013, their constant implementation feels like a waste of development time. They could roll the stats it provides into other gear. Or they could just give them assets again.

Considering EB, I always glamour one hand for my Eternity Ring. My WoL is married and proud. Belts dont show, so they can go.

Get rid of the belt slot and add a back slot for capes and other items like them for glamour.

The more practical and elegant solution wasn't even mentioned: just add an additional ring for every set of gear. It's really obnoxious that the second ring is either an item level tier above or below what is in your first ring.

The simplest solution is to just make another armory storage slot for the 2nd ring.

Or if you cut belts and added those stats between the accessories and give THAT armory box to ring slot 2.

The main issue is just armory box space, not the stats on the accessories themselves.

yeah id love if one ring went bye bye its killing my inventory xD
just increase the base ilvl of the ring slot thats left and the ring stats overall.
maybe a slight increase to the overall belt stats too

I'd rather not use a slot of visible gear. They can axe the belts instead and get rid of the weird "unique ring" restriction.

I have no problems with the ring space but I do with all of the left side minus the belt slot.

like, seriously, do people really check ring glamours as much to even care if its not 1 different for each hand?????

Like, do you people care that your rings are visible on screenshots????

I think just 1 will suffice
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...398a6e0d98.jpg

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Originally Posted by jazo

like, seriously, do people really check ring glamours as much to even care if its not 1 different for each hand?

Like, do you people care that your rings are visible on screenshots?

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Excuse me but they are very clearly shown in cutscenes. Especially as DRK and MNK. Those "you people" are players just like you, not some foreign entity.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Excuse me but they are very clearly shown in cutscenes. Especially as DRK and MNK. Those "you people" are players just like you, not some foreign entity.

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I guess most people are foreign to me (and saying "you people" is to reffer to the ones that do want both rings without having to type a wall of text as of now just to explain it), but my point is that of all glamourable and customizable stuff that your character can differentiate, rings, in my opinion is the least seen and even it hides on lots of gloves (tho sometimes neck and bracelets also are hidden sometimes)

Is a great touch on the game to let us have accesories shown, and of course the "best" easy to solve inventory space problems is to give us more space, but since is has been time and time again been discussed that SE does not want/can just increase player data, the things that can be cut to have better inventory use (if the number of inventory space cannot increase) yeah, belts and 1 ring slot could have the axe, also, having all armory slots combined (so people focused more on battle classes ca use offhand slots more efficiently and viceversa ) etc.

What would be the best case scenario revamp to solve with its limitations most of the problems?
- All spaces used for all types of gear ala glamour
- Remove belts and merge the lost stats elsewhere (guess will have increase tomes cost of the other gear so takes same effort to be fully geared)
- Remove 1 ring slot and merge (but let us glamour 2 different rings on each hand so people that likes to look at hands dont be mad about it)
- Make jobstones key items or something and use that space too and auto change to job at the required level so no more marauders at lvl 50 dungeons
- If possible as the ring glamour, remove main and off hand and merge them in one (and keep the character gear slot so you can cast different glamours anyway)
- JUST GIVE MORE SPACE ANYWAY

of course some changes are more difficult than others and people will always complain that stuff is "dumbed down" if something is removed and stats merged (even tho all accesories now have almost the same stats). But you get me, my initial intent was to people ask themselfs if they really pay enough attention to their rings so it really cares if they remove one (again would be nice if we can glamour both anyway)

actually yes, I do care about the rings showing, that's why I want more than 1 ring for each hand.

What about no ! I don't want that. I want my belt and my two rings :mad: It's not a issue at all. And it's not about the glamour too !

Square Enix add more jobs, add more items, more gears but no, no, no. They can't give us more inventory space or one more retrainer. Sure... Let's not talk about that... Let's not talk about the fact that we can't have every thing buy on Mog Station account wide too...

Come on people...

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Originally Posted by jazo

What would be the best case scenario revamp to solve with its limitations most of the problems?
- All spaces used for all types of gear ala glamour
- Remove belts and merge the lost stats elsewhere (guess will have increase tomes cost of the other gear so takes same effort to be fully geared)
- Remove 1 ring slot and merge (but let us glamour 2 different rings on each hand so people that likes to look at hands dont be mad about it)
- Make jobstones key items or something and use that space too and auto change to job at the required level so no more marauders at lvl 50 dungeons
- If possible as the ring glamour, remove main and off hand and merge them in one (and keep the character gear slot so you can cast different glamours anyway)
- JUST GIVE MORE SPACE ANYWAY

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It's not that simple.

There was a dev post a while ago outlining some of the issues they have when working with the game's pre-existing inventory design - specifically expanding it to give players more space.

Items are handled in groups of 35 - each page of the inventory and each slot in the armoury chest has that many items. It sounds like they can't all just be merged together after the fact.


On the "take away the second ring / offhand tool but still let people glamour it"... that doesn't work either. The glamour system functions by attaching glamours to specific items. If there isn't a gear piece in that slot, there is nothing to attach it to, and the glamour doesn't stick. You can see this in effect already if you're using the ARR-era gear that covers multiple gear slots, like the hooded cowls that stop you from equipping headgear, but only sit in the body slot. You can then apply a glamour plate that includes a hat, but the hat won't appear because there is no headgear in the slot to apply it to.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's not that simple.

There was a dev post a while ago outlining some of the issues they have when working with the game's pre-existing inventory design - specifically expanding it to give players more space.

Items are handled in groups of 35 - each page of the inventory and each slot in the armoury chest has that many items. It sounds like they can't all just be merged together after the fact.


On the "take away the second ring / offhand tool but still let people glamour it"... that doesn't work either. The glamour system functions by attaching glamours to specific items. If there isn't a gear piece in that slot, there is nothing to attach it to, and the glamour doesn't stick. You can see this in effect already if you're using the ARR-era gear that covers multiple gear slots, like the hooded cowls that stop you from equipping headgear, but only sit in the body slot. You can then apply a glamour plate that includes a hat, but the hat won't appear because there is no headgear in the slot to apply it to.

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Did not said it would be simple (even the dev response you link says it would be difficult, but they never said inpossible), but it is possible even with those limitations, as a software developer myself I had my share of working with spagetti code on projects that clients like to add more features, thats why I said "best case scenario" as any of those points would require various amount of develper hours

But, as always, we are looking for solutions to a problem, and maybe all this time there where more important matters to invest developer hours but some things have been an issue for long time now, housing, glamour and inventory space (and they have been trying to solve and work with what they had and implementing more stuff, chocobo saddle bag and glamour practically solved most normal inventory space (I even cleaned renainers and cancel them since I was kinda hording glamour gear and stuff

Armoury Chest should be the consider a revamp to aliviate more and more gear due increase of jobs people play (battle an craft)

and my sugestion on glamour could be possible as I said the player slots could not be changed and the item can be mapped same as if the item was there, if you they made merged rings so they only use 1 inventory space but when equiped use the 2 slots (similar to body) and you map the glamour to the item and with a little more code the ring can have a slot 1 and 2 identity (as 2 slots) so it can have a double glamour

is it much hassle just to have 2 different rings that noone will see? yeah, thats why would be better to just display the same on both hands or whatever but people here want to still have 2 for glamour so I suggested a solution to have: both rings glamourable, and more inventoru space

Again, Did not say a couple of clicks can solve it

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Originally Posted by BatLW

Why remove anything?! There is no need to fix what ain't broken!

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Well sure, if I had my way, belts would be visible, at least when tops don't hang down, we'd have 2 different earnings, bracelets, gloves and feet, the option to "mirror" chest, legs, head, and neck, and the option to be left handed. (I can smell the burning servers now! mwahahaha!)

But IF they must remove something: remove belts, Not Rings!

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Originally Posted by jazo

(I even cleaned renainers and cancel them since I was kinda hording glamour gear and stuff

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You don't actually have to clean out retainers - they keep their inventory while suspended, so it's possible to treat them as "long term storage" and only hire them on the rare occasion they're needed.

Still not ideal, but useful within the system as it currently stands.

Removing 2nd ring have sense, because bracelets can be on both arms, earrings on both ears, but we have one only of them.

I'd say remove the second ring, double the current ring's stats, spread them around the kept accessories evenly or tack the lost ring's stats to belts to make them slightly more attractive.

For the eternity ring that married players may wear, add it as an option to show or hide; this can be done with a simple text like /band show or /band hide and keep the current ring on the right hand. This solves the conflict of wanting to still glamour the ring and still use the eternal bonding one as well.

If the issue has to do with pre-existing inventory or item numbering, can they not create a dummy item to reference when a removed item was otherwise supposed to be there?

IE: Dummy item is coded as 6663. Slot that was removed still requires an item, even if no such item exists. Set the slot to reference dummy item (6663) whenever that slot needs to be filled.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the "take away the second ring / offhand tool but still let people glamour it"... that doesn't work either. The glamour system functions by attaching glamours to specific items. If there isn't a gear piece in that slot, there is nothing to attach it to, and the glamour doesn't stick. You can see this in effect already if you're using the ARR-era gear that covers multiple gear slots, like the hooded cowls that stop you from equipping headgear, but only sit in the body slot. You can then apply a glamour plate that includes a hat, but the hat won't appear because there is no headgear in the slot to apply it to.

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How'd they get special outfits, like ARR Minfilia's one piece outfit to be shown over all of the slots, yet is only one item? Granted, you cannot glamour any of the pieces individually nor can I recall [without a shadow of a doubt] if removing one piece of armor changed your glamour or otherwise broke it. I don't think it did from when I still had it - I specifically recall using it on low level jobs for that specific reason so I didn't go through prisms like crazy and didn't look like hot garbage with different colored armor/armor sets. I think it was tied to the chest piece, didn't factor in the head and still showed hands, legs, and feet with the chest even if no such armor piece was equipped. What you're saying is suggesting that even if I glamour Minfilia's outfit, but wore no pants and boots, pants and boots won't show up.

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

I don't really craft and I still think they shouldn't remove the second ring because of how it would/could affect crafters.

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All that means is this change couldn't come any sooner than an expansion, when everything gets rebalanced anyway.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You don't actually have to clean out retainers - they keep their inventory while suspended, so it's possible to treat them as "long term storage" and only hire them on the rare occasion they're needed.

Still not ideal, but useful within the system as it currently stands.

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That I cleared some of my retainers to make my inventory more organized was not the point of my response, just an example that the effort and changes they have been implementing have been good. But the armory chest still needs some QoL improvements.

Keep the ring and just make them not unique items. Rings are important for glamour purposes.