PF reaches a new low (E1S Reclear)

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

Treating the game like a job and actually scheduling raid times is pretty embarrassing, yeah. But one should do what one enjoys ;)

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I know this is, like, a 3/10 quality troll post, but yes. It’s obviously embarrassing that 8 people who have separate lives and likely live in different time zones would like to find times that work for all of them so that they can get together and play video games. Obviously.



As for the OP, I literally forgot 75% of E1S’s mechanics already. I cleared it within an hour of going in there on Day 1, and then spent the rest of the week on the other fights. My entire static was kind of like “so uh...how does this fight go again?” when we zoned in today because we were all probably still thinking about Titan strats.

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Originally Posted by Ovenmitts

And here we have an interesting hot take on the mess that is Aether. If I took this with a grain of salt, I'd say Aether was made of baddies! One experience does not dictate the experience of many, especially if we are talking about alts that you don't spend most of your time on to see the community with your own eyes.

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But thats what I mean. I'm not taking my experience as the end all be all D: But simply saying the people bashing Crystal are the reason it -has- no raid groups in the first place. Cause thats what they did at the start making people panic and run off before it was even made :c. - I actively went TOO crystal and haven't regretted it. - But yeah... I'm in agreement with you. - don't hurt me.-

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

But thats what I mean. I'm not taking my experience as the end all be all D: But simply saying the people bashing Crystal are the reason it -has- no raid groups in the first place. Cause thats what they did at the start making people panic ad run off before it was even made :c. - I actively went TOO crystal and haven't regretted it. - But yeah... I'm in agreement with you. - don't hurt me.-

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*head pat* I won't hurt you but only because you asked nicely. And I was using you as an example to prove my point that people like to spread nonsensical hearsay to denounce Crystal cause ZOMG CRYSTAL IS SO CAZUL AND SO UNLIKE AETHER.

The most important thing is just, remove slacking players, that is key to PF success. Good players are patient and will stay in your party, anyone who also ditches and joins another fail party, well good luck to them. The content is puggable, cleared E3S in PF as well. There are just some PF rules to follow to reduce time waste based on sluggish players. Also important, if you find good players via PF, friend them, keep in contact (discord or so). Thus you can ask them when you go in if they have time and are in mood.

Guess Aether got watered down pretty hard during the mass exodus, pretty slow going here in Crystal as well, lots and lots of new folks but fresh faces are nice and most people learn well enough. >.<

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Originally Posted by Ovenmitts

*head pat* I won't hurt you but only because you asked nicely. And I was using you as an example to prove my point that people like to spread nonsensical hearsay to denounce Crystal cause ZOMG CRYSTAL IS SO CAZUL AND SO UNLIKE AETHER.

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^^ I will accept the head pat. only cause your miqo is cute.

For what it's worth, my group cleared last Wednesday after 3 hours, then spent the rest of the week working on 2, so when we recleared 1 last night it took us over an hour because we couldn't remember anything. Just give it a couple of weeks and it'll be as easy as Chaos.

Is this what top tier healing looks like?

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Originally Posted by KRIPTICON

Well look at you! All high, mighty, and entitled. Shame on all of us for not living up to your standard, oh great one. Thank The Twelve that this forum thread now exists; that we may all be reminded when your PF expectations haven't been met.

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Perhaps you would understand the frustration when you do all the mechanics perfectly and memorized the fight after a short amount of time, to the point you're doing it on autopilot. Now imagine that, and then having to watch people die to dumb shit over and over, knowing you are doing everything you need to do, but the only reason you can not clear is others just can't get it together. At that point, you can only be left scratching your head in frustration, wondering what people find so hard about the fight.

I remember my static joking about the "Pro sch" when trying to pug E1S who kept dying to Eden's flare, didn't matter how many times they've seen it, they kept dying to it.

It's a pretty good indication of the state of party finder, yeah there are good people out there, but most of them are in statics and aren't trying to get clears from party finder.

Heck I'm sick enough of banging my head against a wall for extreme trials, the things that are a lot easier than savage but people can't seem to learn.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Perhaps you would understand the frustration when you do all the mechanics perfectly and memorized the fight after a short amount of time, to the point you're doing it on autopilot. Now imagine that, and then having to watch people die to dumb shit over and over, knowing you are doing everything you need to do, but the only reason you can not clear is others just can't get it together. At that point, you can only be left scratching your head in frustration, wondering what people find so hard about the fight.

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I can see how that is frustrating but unfortunatly people learn at different rates. Also if you end up joining different parties you always end up with people who have learned different bits of the fight.

I totally agree that it is frustrating. It usually drives me up the wall and I'm arguably the worst person in my static.

(I might use PF to make me feel better about myself sometimes when i'm in a sullen mood about how much i suck)

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Perhaps you would understand the frustration when you do all the mechanics perfectly and memorized the fight after a short amount of time, to the point you're doing it on autopilot. Now imagine that, and then having to watch people die to dumb shit over and over, knowing you are doing everything you need to do, but the only reason you can not clear is others just can't get it together. At that point, you can only be left scratching your head in frustration, wondering what people find so hard about the fight.

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I am not trying to instigate the conversation your having with the other guy but this sounds like me and Titania EX right now. I have all the mechs memorized to the point of it being easy and yet I still can’t get my first clear because other keep dying or not using lb or whatever. I’m not trying to be mad at them because everyone learns at their own pace but wow... the struggle is getting real...I just needed a mini vent ... lol

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"

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I have a hard time believing you've done any relevant savage content, Alexander savage in Stormblood doesn't count by the way.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

As for the OP, I literally forgot 75% of E1S’s mechanics already. I cleared it within an hour of going in there on Day 1, and then spent the rest of the week on the other fights. My entire static was kind of like “so uh...how does this fight go again?” when we zoned in today because we were all probably still thinking about Titan strats.

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Same, I love week 2 re-prog lol

Lol no one has to watch a video on anything. C'mon now. If someone isn't learning, just leave after a few wipes and make a PF.

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

I run PF parties for Aether fairly often. I helped 4 groups clear E1S last week.

Party Finder players need a big attitude adjustment. You do often get those 1-2 problem players, and when you kick them, the rest of your party elects to go join one of the 10 other parties where the leader will not kick these players. I announce in my PF that I do a macro for positions, and when I throw that macro into chat and ask people to take positions around a marker, there's someone half the time who either refuses to comply or throws their hands up in the air, making the whole process unfun for the 6-7 other people involved.

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Whats ur ingame name? Im only level 60 but when I get up there. I would like to join you!

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Originally Posted by Gula

Lol no one has to watch a video on anything. C'mon now. If someone isn't learning, just leave after a few wipes and make a PF.

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I mean you are right, but it's really annoying and nobody wants to wipe to Ser Cherrybutt in the vault because you don't know how to deal with chains and just end up standing there like an idiot taking 1000's of damage and killing the poor healer tethered to you.

PUG skill increase by its nature is gonna be a lot slower than statics, since a clear one week will be have its players split into different groups + have to relearn with different people the next. You'll probably have to wait a little longer to get more reliable e1s clears, like when tome gear becomes a bit more prevalent, a bit of extra vit + defense helps a lot with not falling over when a mechanic isn't done 100% correctly.

I couldn’t clear E1S last week in a static. Much of that was me, new to DPSing and new to FFXIV raiding. But it was not all me, maybe 30% me. My dancer was sometimes #2 DPS after all.

My new FC leader cleared it in an hour or two in a PUG.

So... results can be all over the place.

As for me... I will eventually get good. I only first started DPSing in BfA of WoW. Was always a tank before that. I held up my first raid group there, and left when they told me such (only to be asked why I left). Then my second raid, we steam rolled into heroic raiding with me as the top DPS by a margin of more than 10% above #2.

- that’s why I don’t like blacklists... people get better.

Back during WotLK in WoW I ran a guild and was our MT. I had a new recruit who absolutely sucked join and ask to raid. He sucked really bad, but he wanted to tank. I gave him my spot and stepped over to OT as our OT was so busy he’s been missing most nights anyway.
- this guy was horrible but he had one shining feature; He’d stick around for hours in chat asking how he could get better. Within a month he was the best tank I’d ever seen.

I’ll get there... as long as I don’t get on some blacklist first...