Vote for GNB Sounds

I posted it to see. Also I believe the live letter is soon and no maintenance tonight so... Let's hope I guess?

As someone said, no mention of the sound changes in the live letter apparently.... :mad:

Noticed that the “poll” didn’t record my no vote...

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Noticed that the “poll” didn’t record my no vote...

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I don't see why it wouldn't. It should unless you already voted, only counts 1 vote per IP. There's no way to fix these or cheat them, even with the options provided by the site.

Nice attempt to debunk my poll though.

Where is the "I don't care" option in the poll? It actually makes a difference and is important for metrics (not that the poll will ever get a statistically relevant sampling, but still...)

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Where is the "I don't care" option in the poll? It actually makes a difference and is important for metrics (not that the poll will ever get a statistically relevant sampling, but still...)

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Not that I'm saying your wrong, but could you explain why you feel like that is a needed option? I just assume that the amount of people that don't care is greater than those that do on both sides combined. Also, if a person doesn't care that means they would be fine either way, so it would basically be a vote for both yes and no, which cancel out. Again, this is how I see it but I would love to hear your perspective.

5.05 hotfix patch tomorrow apparently. Let's hope we see something about Gunbreaker!

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Originally Posted by samuraipew7

5.05 hotfix patch tomorrow apparently. Let's hope we see something about Gunbreaker!

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I wouldn't bet on that. Developers already showed us their true face. But it doesn't mean we should stop trying.

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Originally Posted by firedrake

Not that I'm saying your wrong, but could you explain why you feel like that is a needed option? I just assume that the amount of people that don't care is greater than those that do on both sides combined. Also, if a person doesn't care that means they would be fine either way, so it would basically be a vote for both yes and no, which cancel out. Again, this is how I see it but I would love to hear your perspective.

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Pretty much what I was going to say. Saying I don't care is the equivalent of "I'm not touching you" and holding our hand near them. Don't see a point really, especially when the objective here is to simplify the desire of the community to ease the team's work to just be reverting sounds back instead of changing the specifics.

I got solucion for you, option to set old and new sound in options ...

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Originally Posted by Dynia

I got solucion for you, option to set old and new sound in options ...

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Then like 90% of playerbase would just set original in options. Either way it's better to create something that satisfies majority, we can't make everything customizable. And i wouldn't feel very comfortable knowing that there are players who hear that my sword sounds like a hammer.

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Originally Posted by Cetek14

Then like 90% of playerbase would just set original in options. Either way it's better to create something that satisfies majority, we can't make everything customizable. And i wouldn't feel very comfortable knowing that there are players who hear that my sword sounds like a hammer.

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Iirc, they SHOULD be able to do it like the bahamut size code. Where the player sets how big/small their bahamut is, but that doesn't define every single bahamut. In such a sense, we COULD get a toggle for old and new sounds but honestly, I'd feel weird knowing we're the only job that has a 2nd set of SFX. Still, to have that option would please the masses though and wouldn't force SE to create anymore sounds or unnecessary work.... If people don't like the new or old sounds at this point, don't play the damn thing.

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Originally Posted by Valic

Iirc, they SHOULD be able to do it like the bahamut size code. Where the player sets how big/small their bahamut is, but that doesn't define every single bahamut. In such a sense, we COULD get a toggle for old and new sounds but honestly, I'd feel weird knowing we're the only job that has a 2nd set of SFX. Still, to have that option would please the masses though and wouldn't force SE to create anymore sounds or unnecessary work.... If people don't like the new or old sounds at this point, don't play the damn thing.

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Still i don't think this is the solution. Even if Square Enix has to listen to that minority that hates 5.0 sounds, at least create something in between. Something that sounds like a gunblade. They even removed trigger sounds. This is insane.

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Originally Posted by Cetek14

Still i don't think this is the solution. Even if Square Enix has to listen to that minority that hates 5.0 sounds, at least create something in between. Something that sounds like a gunblade. They even removed trigger sounds. This is insane.

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I can't fathom that understanding either, or the fact they messed with Blasting Zone. A skill that didn't even have an issue :/ I'd hate for them to make a third set of sounds honestly, more resources wasted on something mundane on something that was already fine to begin with. If they gave us a code to swap between the two, I feel like that would take out the middle man and save them the time/effort wasted for making yet ANOTHER set of sounds tbh. I still have my issues with the idea but it sounds the most logical from their perspective if it was a solution to consider.

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Originally Posted by firedrake

Not that I'm saying your wrong, but could you explain why you feel like that is a needed option? I just assume that the amount of people that don't care is greater than those that do on both sides combined. Also, if a person doesn't care that means they would be fine either way, so it would basically be a vote for both yes and no, which cancel out. Again, this is how I see it but I would love to hear your perspective.

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Because knowing how many people out of your sample are indifferent is just as important as knowing which like something or don't like something.

For example, let's say you have a sample size of 1000. With an "I don't care" option, you can get a more accurate picture of your demographic. So 300 might say yes, 200 might say no, but then you have 500 that say "I don't care". That in itself tells you that your topic is unimportant to the majority of your population and thus not worth investing resources to change.

It also prevents either side from claiming the "silent majority" is on their side.

But as I mentioned, it's moot, since the poll in question here will never be statistically relevant. Not only is the sample size insufficient, but the sampling method is invalid (self-select, not a valid random sampling).

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

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Thanks for explaining! That does make a lot more sense looking at it from that perspective.

My only counter in this particular scenario is that SE has already determined that the SFX were worth changing based on a minor amount of feedback. I see this poll as simply an indication of how many people (out of the subset of people that care about SFX) prefer the old or the new. However, if this poll was created prior to SE changing the SFX, knowing the amount of people that didn't care would have been more beneficial. They could have seen that most didn't care and concluded that it wasn't worth the time to adjust.

But as you said, this is not statistically relevant, so really it's more for curiosity than anything else. No disagreement there.

So... um... has it been changed? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Miu-Tiiu

So... um... has it been changed? :confused:

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No, it hasn't been changed. Best bet is 5.08 minor patch or 5.1 major patch.

Was really hoping they'd slide something in during that.... nope. They're still the same gdi.

I think the new sounds are fine. I don’t see the issue.

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Originally Posted by Brotein00

I think the new sounds are fine. I don’t see the issue.

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Read page 1 or 2 of any of the 50 threads about this and you will see what people's issues are about it.


On another note, we've hit 300 votes people. 253 for change back to the original, 47 for the current.

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Originally Posted by Brotein00

I think the new sounds are fine. I don’t see the issue.

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I can probably use this form another thread. Perhaps it can help explain the issue.

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Originally Posted by Yin111

The problem often come about during combat with other players or NPCs involved. In the flurry of sounds the GNB SFX will be less prominent overall. However the aspect that sounds most prominent during that time, would be a "wamp" or "smack" sound that comes about during the animation. This sound, sounds more like a Cyclops or Minotaur's 1 - 100 ton swing attack, where if you get hit, makes a "whack" or "wamp". Which is where the blunt weapon sound comes from.

By yourself with few players and enemies or vs a training dummy. You would be-able to hear the SFX more clearly. However it sounds a bit too weighted for the one handed bladed weapon you are using. With the slashing sound not being prominent enough to give the impression that the weapon is a bladed mechanical weapon, that the gunblade is.

Also I use headsets as well.

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To give you a comparison or example, take PLD's SFX. It sounds like a one handed sword. But most prominently has a slashing sound. But when you compare GNB's SFX, GNB does sound more weighted and blunt overall then it should be.

If we look at WAR, the SFX is heavy weighted and has a "ringing" sound, as the weapon is a mass of iron (typically) think of the sound Gut's Dragonslayer makes from Berserk. Axes while bladed, are weapons that employ heavy momentum and that is reflected.

For DRK, while it is a heavy bladed weapon, the sound sounds as if the strikes are coated, or used in conjunction with magic. It is also hinted at since when you slash with your weapon as DRK, a trail of dark magic follows and hangs in the air for longer then any other Job weaponskills. But you still ultimately hear a slashing sound.

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Furthermore there is a large disparity in the sounds between the Solid Barrel combo and Powder/Carthage combo. As of now, Solid Barrel combo sounds very heavy and blunted in the most general situations, (combat in a dungeon or raid). It gives the sound of "whamp" "smack" and "Bun" due to the lack of a prominent slashing sound. However when using the Powder combo, Burst Strike and Fated Circle, the Gunblade suddenly sounds like a sword with the sound effects of "Ching" and "Shing" before the explosions.

This is the second thing that bothers people, the inconsistency of the Job's sound, going from blunt to bladed then back to blunt. The first being the disconnect between the job's actions to the sounds presented by those actions.

Edit: Recently I found out that the frog robots in northern Kholusia uses the same sound as GNB's Solid Barrel Combo. Coincidentally, the skill name is "Bludgeon".

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Originally Posted by Yin111

I can probably use this form another thread. Perhaps it can help explain the issue.



Furthermore there is a large disparity in the sounds between the Solid Barrel combo and Powder/Carthage combo. As of now, Solid Barrel combo sounds very heavy and blunted in the most general situations, (combat in a dungeon or raid). It gives the sound of "whamp" "smack" and "Bun" due to the lack of a prominent slashing sound. However when using the Powder combo, Burst Strike and Fated Circle, the Gunblade suddenly sounds like a sword with the sound effects of "Ching" and "Shing" before the explosions.

This is the second thing that bothers people, the inconsistency of the Job's sound, going from blunt to bladed then back to blunt. The first being the disconnect between the job's actions to the sounds presented by those actions.

Edit: Recently I found out that the frog robots in northern Kholusia uses the same sound as GNB's Solid Barrel Combo. Coincidentally, the skill name is "Bludgeon".

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LOL. Maybe they messed up some files, we can pray that's what they did and they actually intend to give us back our OG sounds.

Just a bump, not letting this ever go down, I still can't stand my sounds, there was a run in Innocence I had where everything I did was literally unheard because of the sounds around being so similar, I don't like the thought of getting stockhome syndrome with these sounds, because they're quite unpleasant. I refuse to "settle" with these crappy new sounds when our trailer makes them sound amazing (and they're not anymore.)

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Originally Posted by Valic

Just a bump, not letting this ever go down, I still can't stand my sounds, there was a run in Innocence I had where everything I did was literally unheard because of the sounds around being so similar, I don't like the thought of getting stockhome syndrome with these sounds, because they're quite unpleasant. I refuse to "settle" with these crappy new sounds when our trailer makes them sound amazing (and they're not anymore.)

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I gave up GNB, it's simply not fun. I enjoy DRK now, it's not as perfect, but GNB is not the job we once knew.
Honestly i'm seeing less and less GNBs since 5.01. I wouldn't be surprised if people stop playing because of awful sound design.

Yeah I gave it up also. I still check in to make sure this thread is up on the first page every so often lol.

Does anyone recall this situation happening with any other skills? I would be interested to know if something like this happened before and what ended up happening. I can't think of any other example but maybe I'm forgetting something.

I was leveling my GNB on my alt and i decided to do it on my main afterwards,did 1 HoH just to check the new sounds quickly and i shelved the GNB D:
It just doesnt sound "gunbreaker" anymore D: pls gib old sounds

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Originally Posted by firedrake

Yeah I gave it up also. I still check in to make sure this thread is up on the first page every so often lol.

Does anyone recall this situation happening with any other skills? I would be interested to know if something like this happened before and what ended up happening. I can't think of any other example but maybe I'm forgetting something.

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The only thing I can remember was the "Bahamut is too big and I can't see" thing and well.... they adjusted that to everyone's liking. I'e ever heard of this game's jobs getting sound adjustments like this, especially so quickly... I've only seen potency changes and the way certain things work like how Inner Release changed like 3 times in SB.

Absolutely need old SFX back, I genuinely can't fucking stand it. It's honestly sucked some of the fun out of GNB for me, Blasting Zone/Wicked Talon/Main combo all sound so bad now.

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Originally Posted by firedrake

Yeah I gave it up also. I still check in to make sure this thread is up on the first page every so often lol.

Does anyone recall this situation happening with any other skills? I would be interested to know if something like this happened before and what ended up happening. I can't think of any other example but maybe I'm forgetting something.

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The situation reminds me of the time when the visual effect for Darkside was adjusted early into Heavensward. If I remember correctly, Darkside originally shipped with a different visual than what we have currently. (The original visual can be seen in the job action trailer for Heavensward.) This particular visual effect resulted in too much "clutter" or something like that. Specifically, when idling in town. To the dismay of many, the visual got changed to something that felt bare-boned by comparison. There was no shortage of requests to have the original visual brought back, but SE never reverted to the original version.

Interestingly enough, now that it's no longer possible to idle indefinitely while under the effect of Darkside, they totally could change it back.

Absolutely yes.


The current sounds are actively turning me off from playing the job, even though the job itself is really cool.

Only reason I'm going to play GNB is after I get the blunt PVP weapon as glamour.

All the complaints about not being able to hear abilities during a raid or trial; that's how its always gonna be with every other class firing off abilities and the bosses themselves. Also the sounds literally have no impact on gameplay so I still fail to see what the deal is. Unless every weapon swing sounded like a rubber chicken squack, I don't see the need to change. GNB gameplay is fantastic and to shelve it because of sounds is very strange.

If they did change the sounds back, great glad they read these small threads written and read by a small yet passionate subsection of the playerbase. I would have no issue if they reverted the sounds even though I like them now because I play GNB for the class. Not for its sounds, not to be able to hear it during a savage eden run (because lets be honest, hearing the majority of your skills go off in a fight isn't really what you are there for), but for the amazing gameplay and class design of the GNB.

Change the sounds, don't change the sounds; whatever but don't let sound files prevent you from enjoying the wonderful class design that is GNB.

I didn't play GNB until after the sound change. I'm pretty sure the current sound effect of my 123 combo sounds like I'm using a wooden plank and swinging at air. I couldn't hear a single blade cutting sound, and it feels weird. I had to go back to job action trailer to double check the old sound effect. My god this is the most bizarre sound effect given to a blade weapon.

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Originally Posted by Brotein00

All the complaints about not being able to hear abilities during a raid or trial; that's how its always gonna be with every other class firing off abilities and the bosses themselves. Also the sounds literally have no impact on gameplay so I still fail to see what the deal is. Unless every weapon swing sounded like a rubber chicken squack, I don't see the need to change. GNB gameplay is fantastic and to shelve it because of sounds is very strange.

If they did change the sounds back, great glad they read these small threads written and read by a small yet passionate subsection of the playerbase. I would have no issue if they reverted the sounds even though I like them now because I play GNB for the class. Not for its sounds, not to be able to hear it during a savage eden run (because lets be honest, hearing the majority of your skills go off in a fight isn't really what you are there for), but for the amazing gameplay and class design of the GNB.

Change the sounds, don't change the sounds; whatever but don't let sound files prevent you from enjoying the wonderful class design that is GNB.

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We've already had this talk on how sounds in fact DO affect gameplay. People go off audio cues and also gain what is known as "game feel" (google and read some novels on the theories around it). I'm not even going to jump into that again or I'll be 5 paragraphs deep with a response again. Short of it is, they DEFINITELY DO affect how someone plays the game. You can tell what your job usually is doing as for effects/sounds, I personally can hear my loud explosions as a BLM, I hear the sharpness a red mage casts with, I can tell between a WAR/DRK/PLD slicing with their weapon... GNB? It meshes into all of it and I cannot tell it in anything. It's not distinct anymore, and it's combo sounds are all too similar to where I get lost in my own rotation and have to check my hotbars(something we were meant to remove in SB hence the job gauges being added).

I don't like sounding like I'm hitting with a baseball bat when I'm using a BLADE. It's that simple really, and if you don't understand, that's fine but there's a good amount that do get it and is very well enough to turn them off the aesthetic and joy of GNB. I personally don't feel good doing my combo anymore, its not satisfying, it's just as "regular" as everything else in our blunt and crappy sounding kit atm, there's not too much joy in it by that point. The class INCLUDES the sound effects, the visuals, the mechanics. They screwed with the sounds, it's believe it or not... something people like to feel in their gameplay when they pick a job. As I also have been doing eden savage, I hate that I sometimes get lost because I can't hear the distinct slashes anymore I used to, but instead muffled explosions that meld into every other damn explosion in the instance. I had an instance today in E1s where I had to double check myself because I thought I was a GCD behind in my continuation combo.... That's not a good thing. Audio cues are a great aspect of game design, and messing with them can be trouble for some if not most.

As for the small portion of the playerbase? There's actually more forms of media and lots in game who share this opinion who don't frequent these forums. Even more amazing is how many accounts have been made SPECIFICALLY to come here to ask why this change was even warranted and why it NEEDS to go back to what was originally given to us and shown in the trailer(s).

There are jobs people will avoid because the aesthetic isn't satisfying to them (graphics or sound quality). I'd argue a LOT of players do this in fact and is why half of them even pick the jobs they enjoy the most.

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Originally Posted by Brotein00

All the complaints about not being able to hear abilities during a raid or trial; that's how its always gonna be with every other class firing off abilities and the bosses themselves. Also the sounds literally have no impact on gameplay so I still fail to see what the deal is. Unless every weapon swing sounded like a rubber chicken squack, I don't see the need to change. GNB gameplay is fantastic and to shelve it because of sounds is very strange.

If they did change the sounds back, great glad they read these small threads written and read by a small yet passionate subsection of the playerbase. I would have no issue if they reverted the sounds even though I like them now because I play GNB for the class. Not for its sounds, not to be able to hear it during a savage eden run (because lets be honest, hearing the majority of your skills go off in a fight isn't really what you are there for), but for the amazing gameplay and class design of the GNB.

Change the sounds, don't change the sounds; whatever but don't let sound files prevent you from enjoying the wonderful class design that is GNB.

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As an acknowledgement, I understand you don't hold audio in high regards, so you fail to see an issue. But it is my hope here, to explain to you what people normally expect from a game and the effects of such. Remember, that everyone has different values, video games are built around those said values.

You are correct in some ways but not at the same time. I'll try to explain in a understandable way. Within a dungeon, raid or trial, every job will have their sound mixed in with other sounds, you would not be able to hear in fine detail the complete sound the job makes. That much is true, however every Job, while they do lose clarity in sound, always have a prominent SE that donates to this job being present and doing a particular action. For example, the Dragoon's 3rd combo which sounds like a passing jet, the three punches from a Monk's boot shine, the thunder sound from a Red Mages's Ver Thunder. I may not hear the impact the Dragoon makes at the end, nor the whoosh from the Monk's Boot Shine during the animation, or the casting of Ver Thunder before it fires off. But every Job's actions has a distinct and prominent sound that even in the midst of combat, can be heard clearly which adds to the feeling or the rush of gameplay.

But what defines gameplay? Mechanics, visual cues, audio cues, story? All of them actually. You see video game, and much of visual media, is built around 4 core pillars. Visual, audio, story, and mechanic (for games)/flow (for other medias), for this purpose, I'll only focus on video games and I will primary exclude story as it's not really relevant to this discussion.

If I were to make a game, I need to consider those core pillars. The story should be engaging, the visual presentation should match the story's tone, the audio presentation should match the visual presentation, and the mechanic should be intuitive/engaging that players would not feel off put. If I don't want a story, and instead I want a sandbox or arcade shooter, then I need to make sure the other three pillars are up to the task of player retention. These is the basis of what people expect from a game. Naturally these element heavily effect gameplay. Gameplay can be gauged by the players satisfaction and engagement to the said game, this is why people engage in "fashion wars". Being able to look and sound the part for your personal gameplay, effects gameplay. One example is that people tend to buy a game if a famous voice actor/seiyū is voiceing a character, it add to the gameplay that someone they like is voicing a character in the game.

For example,

If in my game, I have a Character who is visually and audibly stunning (think of heroes and their powers) but have poor mechanics, then I won't be able to retain players easily. But the opposite hold true however, If I had amazing mechanics but the character is visually and audibly repulsive (think of a 500lb guy with barf on his shirts, and the sounds associated) then I still would not be able to retain players. Now another example, I'm making a game about bloody vengeance, and the graphic style is baby chibi with realistic sounds, and good game mechanics. Even so my game may not sell all too well, I have great mechanics and audio, but visually it is not appealing to the game. Now lets say I have the same game, have a serious stylization, say "Max Payne" or "Hitman", but all the sound is from a kids show. Again it would not be appealing, this is because there is a specific interrupt that brings people out of the game. You yourself recognize this in some capacity with the chicken sound comment.

People hold the pillars in different orders and priority. Some people can play a game with a bad story or the lack of one, others could play a game thats in pixel 2D. Yet at the same time, there are also others who can not handle the lack off or a bad implementation of one of those pillars. Where you can brush off the audio issue, others can not, because it effects their gameplay. Sure, you can tell some one to play the Job regardless of sound because it has good mechanics, but thats like telling someone to eat teriyaki and mayonnaise roasted roaches, dogs or cats because they tastes good.

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Originally Posted by Yin111

but that like telling someone to eat teriyaki and mayonnaise roasted roaches, dogs or cat when they don't want to, even if it tastes good.

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Man of culture here. No really though, he's absolutely correct in his disclaimer for what I said. Heck, I even played a 2d MMO and loved it's story, visuals, mechanics, and sounds. I'd rather not name it but it was a beat em up mmo, prolly won't be hard to find. Mechanically you could input combos like a street fighter game, customize them too, every hit, impact, sound, fist, fireball, crunch, slash, anything you played had a good "OOMPH" to each attack. The story was interesting enough and developed over time to be better and better and adjusted by patches/content. The music was fast paced and set the mood to pump you up to beat up dungeons and visually.. for a 2d game.. was not at all bad really. Though comparison of 2d to 3d can't be told good vs bad, that's more like saying modern art vs contemporary art... They're both still the same concept, just a different format people enjoy. By the end of it, things have to mesh and feel good. For me,I like a balance... I can deal with certain things not being 100% perfect or if other bits outweigh other areas... In this case, I find the sound not just "a little lackluster". The sounds just don't quite match the hits or the job's actions to me, and it's a large enough change that it throws me off immensely of playing the job. Mechanically? Perfect to me. Visually? Could be a bigger blasting zone or a lil bit more flourish in some areas but I really can't complain. Story? It's job quests felt meh, but I'm okay with that considering all else is fine. Sound?.... ehhhh... it's like a pool noodle hitting cardboard, it's enough to tell me I'm not really "feeling" my hits.

Voted yes! The new effects sound like I've not been sharpening my blade :\

Please SE, bring the old sounds back, or at least let us choose. The current ones are terrible!

I'm honestly glad to see the vocal group of this, not just the poll. On the outside it just looks like a bunch of numbers rather than how many people genuinely don't like it and can say why it's off. Gives the poll some realistic idea of why people vote what they vote than just a chart of "yes/no".