Why do tanks have so many skills?

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

How exactly do you expect anyone to be able to reach 6 through = without using a second hand on the keyboard? I dare you to keybind without using W S A D as a keybind with modifiers, or 6 through = ... Many of us can't reach those buttons during one handed keyboard/one handed mouse play... If you end up binding WSAD (movement) to any modifiers, you stop moving while holding that modifier. Bad news during anything that needs you to constantly move but to also use a skill with that modifier.

I really think there needs to be an optional one-handed keyboard option for players where it combines the main combo skills of classes so I'm not stuck separating each and every skill. I'd like to be able to play this game since I'm paying for it. The least SE can do is give me a way to do it properly.

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I'm good with 1-6 with WASD only for movement, granted I am using a mouse with 18 buttons. QEZXC are also convenient binds. Shift, Control, and Alt keys effectively double triple and quadruple your keys. Assuming ~ + 1-5 + QEZXC, 44 binds are available without modification to WASD.

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

How exactly do you expect anyone to be able to reach 6 through = without using a second hand on the keyboard? I dare you to keybind without using W S A D as a keybind with modifiers, or 6 through = ... Many of us can't reach those buttons during one handed keyboard/one handed mouse play... If you end up binding WSAD (movement) to any modifiers, you stop moving while holding that modifier. Bad news during anything that needs you to constantly move but to also use a skill with that modifier.

I really think there needs to be an optional one-handed keyboard option for players where it combines the main combo skills of classes so I'm not stuck separating each and every skill. I'd like to be able to play this game since I'm paying for it. The least SE can do is give me a way to do it properly.

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I'm on PS4. watch the video it'll give you a bit of context. I play on controller so everything is reachable for me.

OP send me a screenshot of your skill bar.
I use mouse for movement , QWEASDZXC for keybinds.

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

OP send me a screenshot of your skill bar.
I use mouse for movement , QWEASDZXC for keybinds.

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The problem is that keybinding WSAD to any modifiers will stop movement while that modifier is being held. Even for a split second, that could be the moment of escaping a mechanic or dying.

My keybinds are here https://imgur.com/a/j3ySKOr

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

The problem is that keybinding WSAD to any modifiers will stop movement while that modifier is being held. Even for a split second, that could be the moment of escaping a mechanic or dying.

My keybinds are here https://imgur.com/a/j3ySKOr

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If you dont want to sacrifice wasd, I'd either recommend besides control, using shift for another set of keybinds or binding some stuff in the mouse buttons if it allows. (No need for those fancy mmo mouses, one with 2 extra buttons should suffice looking at your UI)

The only tank class I felt was even remotely... cluttered... feeling was PLD. Wasn’t bad or anything just couldn’t really find a way to map the buttons that I felt a good flow with personally. DRK and GNB felt just right, WAR felt pretty barren TBH.

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

If you dont want to sacrifice wasd, I'd either recommend besides control, using shift for another set of keybinds or binding some stuff in the mouse buttons if it allows. (No need for those fancy mmo mouses, one with 2 extra buttons should suffice looking at your UI)

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That's the thing though. My hands hurt like hell if I use ctrl or shift too much, so I keybound those to the two side mouse buttons I am comfortable using. I don't have any extra modifiers I can use aside from ALT...

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

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Physical limitations suck and I commiserate with the difficulty you are encountering, however I feel it is less of an issue with the game itself and more just general difficulty of finding a setup that works for you.

Since your issue seems to stem from potential limited mobility with your hands that results in pain, perhaps using the traditional mouse+keyboard setup is not the way to go.

Here are some potential solutions that may help you out.

Using a controller.
This requires much less stretching and moving of your fingers and many players even prefer it while playing on their PCs because they find it more comfortable over long play sessions. The game actually has very good controller support for an MMO and with some good key-mapping it can work incredibly well. If you can get your hands on a good controller that has programmable extra buttons, you could even set those extra buttons as the shift/ctrl/etc modifiers.

Getting a gamepad
Gamepads like the Razer Orbweaver or this option from Hori could help you fit more keys and abilities all at your fingertips.
I myself use the orbweaver and couldn't imagine playing the game without it. I have my basic movement mapped to the thumbstick and then about 3 full hotbars of abilities bound to the keys, using the left-most column as the modifier keys that I can easily press with my pinky and then the other four columns as the actions themselves.
I also use a Razer Naga where I bind my most commonly used offensive actions, but you expressed you have difficulty with the sidekeys on a mouse like that which leads me to ...

Try another gaming mouse
In addition to using a gamepad, you could potentially try using a different gaming mouse to see if it's extra keys are easier for you. Since you have difficulty with a gaming mouse that has a 12-key pad on the side, you could perhaps try one of the ones designed for MOBAs instead. They have half as many keys and the keys are much larger and arranged in an easier to press layout. While it is fewer keys, it could still be more keys that you could actually use.

Lastly, and this may not even apply to you and your specific situation, but never underestimate the benefit of good writs and hand support for extended gaming/computer use sessions. I find that a lot of the instances where people begin to develop or experience wrist and hand pain while using a computer, it is because they are putting excessive strain on their wrists which in turn results in strain and pain in the ligaments of their fingers which can eventually result in permanent damage. I always recommend that anyone that uses a computer for long periods of time, whether for work or gaming, get themselves a good wrist cushion that is comfortable during extended use. I personally prefer the ones with the small beads inside them as I find that they cushion and cradle my wrists better, making for better longterm comfort. If the pain gets really bad, sometimes wearing a wrist support style glove can help quite a bit.

Anyways, those are the things that I can think of off the top of my head that may help you.

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

How exactly do you expect anyone to be able to reach 6 through = without using a second hand on the keyboard? I dare you to keybind without using W S A D as a keybind with modifiers, or 6 through = ... Many of us can't reach those buttons during one handed keyboard/one handed mouse play... If you end up binding WSAD (movement) to any modifiers, you stop moving while holding that modifier. Bad news during anything that needs you to constantly move but to also use a skill with that modifier.

I really think there needs to be an optional one-handed keyboard option for players where it combines the main combo skills of classes so I'm not stuck separating each and every skill. I'd like to be able to play this game since I'm paying for it. The least SE can do is give me a way to do it properly.

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But you could play it properly, thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game and like the combat which is rich in skills.
You dont have to play it if you cant, try out playing on PS4 controller instead of keyboard.

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

How exactly do you expect anyone to be able to reach 6 through = without using a second hand on the keyboard? I dare you to keybind without using W S A D as a keybind with modifiers, or 6 through = ... Many of us can't reach those buttons during one handed keyboard/one handed mouse play... If you end up binding WSAD (movement) to any modifiers, you stop moving while holding that modifier. Bad news during anything that needs you to constantly move but to also use a skill with that modifier.

I really think there needs to be an optional one-handed keyboard option for players where it combines the main combo skills of classes so I'm not stuck separating each and every skill. I'd like to be able to play this game since I'm paying for it. The least SE can do is give me a way to do it properly.

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Deal.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ent_hotbar.png

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

Am I legitimately supposed to keybind every one of these skills? Why are the combo skills not combined like Thancred's? I have ran out of space and I am afraid to run GNB because I can't use its full potential... Am I missing something? This just makes me wanna run back to my WHM and be unable to help my friends who need tanks...

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This is why tanks are being dumbed down more and more with each expansion.
Next expansion i expect us to have 6 abilites, 1-2-3 combo, 2 defensive cool downs, (insert cool down here)

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Originally Posted by IBLazORI

This is why tanks are being dumbed down more and more with each expansion.
Next expansion i expect us to have 6 abilites, 1-2-3 combo, 2 defensive cool downs, (insert cool down here)

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You keep saying that and still can't optimize the job.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

You keep saying that and still can't optimize the job.

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How are you able to make that statement, that i'm not able to optimize the job?
How have i Kept saying that statement? I believe this was the only time i mentioned that.

With my keypad’s 20 keys, I can bind 18 of them and set aside 2 for shift and control.
I have 54 keybinds with ease.

You could do close to that with a standard keyboard by moving keybinds around to comfortable things for your hands to hit.

I do think the modern action gaming sustems with 3-8 abilities and hitscan aim targeting is better... but I don’t see the lack of enough keys to bind as a problem with the style of game engine we have here.

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Originally Posted by IBLazORI

How are you able to make that statement, that i'm not able to optimize the job?
How have i Kept saying that statement? I believe this was the only time i mentioned that.

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My bad, I took this post as a rhetorical question since you forgot the last interrogation point.

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Originally Posted by IBLazORI

What exactly are people struggling with on this new iteration of DRK? its really dumbed down right now and just a war clone(almost)

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

Am I legitimately supposed to keybind every one of these skills? Why are the combo skills not combined like Thancred's? I have ran out of space and I am afraid to run GNB because I can't use its full potential... Am I missing something? This just makes me wanna run back to my WHM and be unable to help my friends who need tanks...

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no one holding you back. stop complaining that everything is hard!
you're one of the many reasons se made all classes types to have the same skills with different names!

tank mode, 1 range pull, 1 aoe for aggro, 1 taunt, 3 hit combo, mitigation coold down, resist dmg coold down, cool down that make you immune to dmg for a brief period, ressource restoration cooldown self heal// group heal,
same for healers. if peopel woudl stop complaining that everything is too hard this game woudl be insane challenging

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Originally Posted by IBLazORI

This is why tanks are being dumbed down more and more with each expansion.
Next expansion i expect us to have 6 abilites, 1-2-3 combo, 2 defensive cool downs, (insert cool down here)

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and I guarantee the average tank still won't use their full kit

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Originally Posted by IBLazORI

This is why tanks are being dumbed down more and more with each expansion.
Next expansion i expect us to have 6 abilites, 1-2-3 combo, 2 defensive cool downs, (insert cool down here)

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Welcome to healers currently.

Everytime I peek at threads such I this, I kept wondering:

- don't you guys ever rebind keys
- is wasd so engraved in people's thoughts, that they don't even bother considering (far) more optimal setups
- am I the only person on the planet putting ctrl/alt/shift on my mouse buttons to trivially quadruple shortcuts around my left hand, so I don't have to move it, ever ?

Both Stormblood and Shadowbringers have removed abilities - Heavensward, on the other hand, ONLY ADDED abilities. I dont think a single ability was taken away from any job between the start of ARR and the end of HW. You know what the solution was to that for those that only had bindings for those specific skills?

Redesign your hotbar.

It's that simple. If you cant fit all your skills on your bar and be comfortable with it then your hotbar/keybind setup is lacking. So, change it, move things around, the UI is very customisable in this game. At worst, it'll take you a day or two to get used to them.

I myself redesigned my hotbar when i started HW, and i actually had a lot of fun doing it - Everything looked completely different afterwards, the map was in a completely different place and everything was just the right size, my hotbars were customised just the right way and centered to allow me to see cooldowns in my peripheral vision so i could see whats coming off cooldown without even having to look down. I also moved my heathbar and the enemy target bar, buffs and all that, to the center, so all i needed to do was look at the middle of the screen to see everything including making it so i could watch one place and dodge aoes and do my rotation at the same time. For example, one common thing healers do is move the party list to the middle of the screen so they are staring at the middle of the screen so they can dodge easier, instead of staring at the top-left corner all the time.

Removing skills just because you dont want to create your own solutions to your own personal problems with your hotbars is quite the stupid thing to suggest. Find solutions to your problems first, and if you cant find a solution, then you can ask, if that doesnt work? Then, and only then, can you complain.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

You keep saying that and still can't optimize the job.

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One doesnt have to play 100% on the job to enjoy its complexity and depth.
I llay like noob on gnb but i love the amount of buttons to press.

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Originally Posted by AmeiLotus

Am I legitimately supposed to keybind every one of these skills? Why are the combo skills not combined like Thancred's? I have ran out of space and I am afraid to run GNB because I can't use its full potential... Am I missing something? This just makes me wanna run back to my WHM and be unable to help my friends who need tanks...

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EXCUSE ME?!?! "So many skills"?! Are you high or something? I main tanks since the start of this game (playing via X-box controller, let me mind you) and I've never feeled them jobs so SIMPLIFIED as now. Mate, if you can't handle this many of skills with loadout options we have then damn... I have a REALY bad news for you.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

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Eh?
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What?
Yeah um... you need to keybind those skills because they are COOLDOWNS you know... for tankbusters? Offensively tanks have the least amount of options for a rotation than DPS so a large chunk of it is used for cooldowns.

Seriously? Someone is complaining about too many skills on tanks. Need I need to introduce you to WAR right now? I have empty slots on my hot bar at level 80!

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I feel you, mate. I feel you...