Mendacity AND Genesis removed?

This happens every expansion I’m surprised this thread is still going.

It's silly to me that one tome is used for level 50, 60, and now 70 gear, but it's the precedent started when they retired the max level HW tome on SB release and made poetics handle 60 gear too, and I therefore was not surprised to see them do it again now with 70 gear.

I guess they really just want to keep the number of different types of tomes to a minimum.

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This happens every expansion I’m surprised this thread is still going.

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Yes, this is what happened for all of the one expansion we've been through so far.

I mean, it's one thing to say you're not surprised (as I said), but let's not act like there's a whole history of past expansions where they've done this.

But they should raise the cap on every expension for it... its soo much to buy by now and you get more and more stuff giving it...

If you want to nit pick what I said, sure go ahead, my point was there is history of them doing this and there’s no point of freaking out about SE stealing their times or making a big deal like some are, FFXIV’s tome progression formulaic and there was no reason to expect things to change.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

But they should raise the cap on every expension for it... its soo much to buy by now and you get more and more stuff giving it...

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Not really, in the 10 levels between each set you have plenty of time to replenish poetics while getting exp.

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If you want to nit pick what I said, sure go ahead, my point was there is history of them doing this and there’s no point of freaking out about SE stealing their times or making a big deal like some are, FFXIV’s tome progression formulaic and there was no reason to expect things to change.

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Let's be real here; the only reason you said "every expansion" instead of just mentioning HW was to try to legitimize your own position in making the OP/topic look more stupid/unnecessary.

Tome progression throughout a patch/expansion cycle has indeed been formulaic (one uncapped tome, one weekly capped tome), but there has been precisely one opportunity before where, at the end of a cycle (4.0 specifically) they made the decision to nuke both the latest set of tomes and put all of their stuff onto poetics. You do not make a formula or pattern out of ONE instance of it occurring.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, saying "this happens every time" when it's only happened once before is, while not technically incorrect, still kind of misleading and presumptuous.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Let's be real here; the only reason you said "every expansion" instead of just mentioning HW was to try to legitimize your own position in making the OP/topic look more stupid/unnecessary.

Tome progression throughout a patch/expansion cycle has indeed been formulaic (one uncapped tome, one weekly capped tome), but there has been precisely one opportunity before where, at the end of a cycle (4.0 specifically) they made the decision to nuke both the latest set of tomes and put all of their stuff onto poetics. You do not make a formula or pattern out of ONE instance of it occurring.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, saying "this happens every time" when it's only happened once before is, while not technically incorrect, still kind of misleading and presumptuous.

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Let’s be real here, I meant exactly what I said, end of discussion. All this thread is doing is to make people panic about loosing their tomes/ability to gear because they don’t read the lodestone page addressing this.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

people panic because they don’t read

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The real issue here, and with many things in this game.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The real issue here, and with many things in this game.

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Eh that’s true and hard to argue with lol

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Originally Posted by Unholychinchilla

That's because creation was cycled out mid-expansion. At the start of a new expansion the previous expansions tomes get rolled into poetics. This is exactly what happen at the beginning of Stormblood, where the last two tomestone types (Lore and Scripture) could be traded in for poetics. The beginning of Heavensward was a bit different as it was the first expansion and poetics was originally the final capped tomestone of A Realm Reborn so it didn't need to be traded in.

Don't think of it as trading in Genesis being traded down to poetics, it's more that poetics is having it's level range brought up to include Genesis gear and replacing Genesis.

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I wanted to thank you, by the way. I wasn't joking or making things up when I said that it's a tough subject to simply google.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Yes, this is what happened for all of the one expansion we've been through so far.

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It's not just expansions, it's also happened during ARR's run. Allagan Tomestones of Philosophy was the very first tomestone currency in the game with Mythology being the weekly tomestone and both currencies were eventually phased out to make room for newer currencies. There definitely is a precedent for this.

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Let’s be real here, I meant exactly what I said, end of discussion.

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I know you did, that's why I'm letting you know how it's received.

Don't accuse others of being nitpicky if you can't take it yourself.

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It's not just expansions, it's also happened during ARR's run. Allagan Tomestones of Philosophy was the very first tomestone currency in the game with Mythology being the weekly tomestone and both currencies were eventually phased out to make room for newer currencies. There definitely is a precedent for this.

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Not the same thing, and I already explained this if you bothered to read the sentence past the one you quoted.

3.5->4.0 was the first, and so far only, time they simultaneously phased out the latest tomestones AND put their gear on an older tomestone. They did this to accommodate for the level cap increase and because presumably they don't want too many types of tomestone available at any one time. They did not do this for 2.5->3.0, because the latest tomestone available at that point (poetics) were kept in the game at that point to serve as the "level 50" tome.

It... completely is the same thing. You're being nitpicky for the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by dragonkyn20

It... completely is the same thing. You're being nitpicky for the sake of it.

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Yeah, it really is. The timing is irrelevant as the end result is the same.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, it really is. The timing is irrelevant as the end result is the same.

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Agreed. They only ever phase out currencies to avoid clutter so people won't need to juggle so many of them to buy gear. Whether it's through the game's normal patch cycle or through the start of the expansion, the reasoning is always the same.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I wanted to thank you, by the way. I wasn't joking or making things up when I said that it's a tough subject to simply google.

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No problem. I can understand how it all might be a little confusing if you haven't been through this before.

While it's entirely possible SE could curveball us on this, it's unlikely as they're not prone to changing a process that has worked for them before and folding previous expansions into poetics is doing just that. The other factor is allowing current tomes to trade for newer ones would make it possible to gain a headstart on level 80 gear before having played 80 content and they've never liked that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

3.5->4.0 was the first, and so far only, time they simultaneously phased out the latest tomestones AND put their gear on an older tomestone. They did this to accommodate for the level cap increase and because presumably they don't want too many types of tomestone available at any one time. They did not do this for 2.5->3.0, because the latest tomestone available at that point (poetics) were kept in the game at that point to serve as the "level 50" tome.

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If you want to phrase it that way, yes.
Another way of viewing it is that for both of the previous expansions, all old tomestone gear became available for Poetics, and new tomestones were introduced for the new gear.
So they have done this twice beore, establishing a pattern, and is now continuing along that pattern.

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Yes, this is what happened for all of the one expansion we've been through so far

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This will now be the third expansion where Poetics will be used as the "non-current expansion" currency, and two new currencies will be introduced for Max level content.

It will also be the 4th version of 14 where those two currencies will likely be obsoleted before the end, the first to be replaced in x.2 and the second to be replaced in x.4.

We will likely then see the 5.2 and 5.4 currencies obsoleted with the release of 6.0, where poetics will then continue to be the old currency.

Don't forget, if you're worried about gearing for 71-80, that unless SE changes the trend, All the leveling dungeons will award you a piece of gear for your current job you DON'T already own (excluding weapons). Buy the lvl 70 Scaevian gear with poetics come 5.0 patch, ride that to probably 73-74, then just chain run a dungeon to update your gear as needed. Once you hit 80, it's back on the tome treadmill.

The reason why it isn't being discussed is that there's nothing to discuss. This is standard procedure at this point.

Some history: Poetics were the last lv 50 Tomestones. When Heavensward came out, Poetics remained lv 50 and new lv 60 tomestones were released. When Stormblood came out the lv 60 tomestones were removed, lv 70 tomestones were added, and the lv 60 gear was changed to cost Poetics instead of the old lv 60 tomestones. The lv 70 gear that currently costs lv 70 tomestones will be bought with Poetics when the lv 70 tomestones are gone.

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It... completely is the same thing. You're being nitpicky for the sake of it.

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No, it really isn't.

Normally when tomes get retired, the gear that's on them becomes obtainable through a totally different method, usually hunt seals. They don't just get shifted down to poetics. They also don't usually retire both the current uncapped and capped tomestone at the same time and move BOTH of their stuff down to poetics.

Whether you are capable of recognizing it or not, there has been only one previous point in time that they did this, and that was the release of Stormblood when they retired both lore and scripture. This did not occur at the release of Heavensward, because poetics were kept in the game and are still there to this day. 5.0 will mark the second time this occurs.

Trying to suggest that this happens "every time" despite it only happening once before deserves to be "nitpicked", because basic mathematics would tell you that a single instance of something occurring isn't enough to establish a pattern.

They did do it twice.

1. With the release of 3.0, everything purchasable with Allagan tomestones of soldiery and Allagan tomestones of poetics was changed to be purchasable with Allagan tomestones of poetics.
   
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   • Quests that rewarded Allagan tomestones of soldiery will now reward Allagan tomestones of poetics.
   • Timeworn maps that rewarded Allagan tomestones of soldiery will now reward Allagan tomestones of poetics.
   • 120 Allagan tomestones of soldiery -> 120 Allagan tomestones of poetics
   • [2.0] The first time completion bonus has been adjusted as follows: The type of Allagan tomestones received for first time completion has been changed. Players will now receive Allagan tomestones of poetics.
   • The items required to create and upgrade Zodiac Weapons must now be purchased using Allagan tomestones of poetics instead of Allagan tomestones of soldiery.
   • beast tribe daily quests ... that rewarded Allagan tomestones of soldiery will now reward Allagan tomestones of poetics.
   • Timeworn maps that rewarded Allagan tomestones of soldiery will now reward Allagan tomestones of poetics.

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2. With the release of 4.0, everything purchasable with Allagan tomestones of lore and Allagan tomestones of scripture was changed to be purchasable with Allagan tomestones of poetics. Since this is not in dispute I'll not bother quoting.

They have demonstrated they are unwilling to have more than four tomestones. Since they need one weekly capped tomestone for the current expansion, one uncapped tomestone for the current expansion and one tomestone that's unobtainable so you have chance to convert it before it's deleted, that leaves poetics as the only option. They could change their strategy with tomestones but there is no evidence of an intention to do so and Yoshi has said in interviews he is happy with keeping poetics for now. To make everything purchasable with genesis you would have to go back and modify two expansions worth of content, when you could just modify one (stormblood) to be purchasable with poetics.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Normally when tomes get retired, the gear that's on them becomes obtainable through a totally different method, usually hunt seals.

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That's only the case for the first two tomestones in an expansion.

In 3.0, gear from the first two tomestones, law and esoterics, were shifted to hunt seals. Gear from lore and scripture remained purchasable with tomestones.

In 4.0, gear from the first two tomestones, verity and creation, were shifted to hunt seals. Gear from creation, mendacity and genesis remain purchasable with tomestones.

Obviously creation gear will no longer be available through tomestones come 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Side-Eye

Yeah it mentions exchanging them for poetics, but poetics has a 2000 cap and I'm constantly max already. Argh.

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buy materia and junk with it if you have no other use for it.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

No, it really isn't.

Normally when tomes get retired, the gear that's on them becomes obtainable through a totally different method, usually hunt seals. They don't just get shifted down to poetics. They also don't usually retire both the current uncapped and capped tomestone at the same time and move BOTH of their stuff down to poetics.

Whether you are capable of recognizing it or not, there has been only one previous point in time that they did this, and that was the release of Stormblood when they retired both lore and scripture. This did not occur at the release of Heavensward, because poetics were kept in the game and are still there to this day. 5.0 will mark the second time this occurs.

Trying to suggest that this happens "every time" despite it only happening once before deserves to be "nitpicked", because basic mathematics would tell you that a single instance of something occurring isn't enough to establish a pattern.

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Dial back on the snarky writing. If you want to get your point across, insulting a person's intelligence is not going to get people to agree with you.

With that said, you do have a point that the first set of tomes are usually relegated to hunt seals, but that doesn't change the fact that tome currency is constantly removed and replaced as time goes on.