You can't "lock" something that doesn't exist.

Viera and Ronso in FF lore have distinguished genders. That's the problem people have. End of discussion.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Viera and Ronso in FF lore have distinguished genders. That's the problem people have. End of discussion.

---

thats false lol
Ronso had a large amount of female fighters and blitzball players in fact in ff10-2 you can get one of them through taming

so nice try there but thats purely a lie

also vierra do have males you dont see them often but they do exist and lore with them can be twitched 2 exiled from the forest

Gender lock used in the way to be described as locked out from male Viera/female Hrothgar is wrong
Gender lock used in the way to be described as being locked in to female Viera/male Hrothgar is correct
what's the difference locked out implies there is another option there you just can't use it, locked in implies that is the only option and asking for removal in this case is asking for another option to be added.

See semantics is fun and the English language is so easy to know every meaning right :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

i mean if they don't got enough manpower they should hire more peopl

---

So simple! Why didn't SE think of that? Just hire more people! ..... you are kidding right? You do know companies have overhead costs, limited space, limited funding etc.... If you don't, I want to live in your fantasy world.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

thats false lol
Ronso had a large amount of female fighters and blitzball players in fact in ff10-2 you can get one of them through taming

so nice try there but thats purely a lie

also vierra do have males you dont see them often but they do exist and lore with them can be twitched 2 exiled from the forest

---

You just reiterated my point. Thanks friend.

Or did you think I was implying that Viera and Ronso were Female and Male only respectively?

I am laughing at you. Very hard.

I heard fanart. WHERE?!

Links pls.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nyxn607

So simple! Why didn't SE think of that? Just hire more people! ..... you are kidding right? You do know companies have overhead costs, limited space, limited funding etc.... If you don't, I want to live in your fantasy world.

---

acturally its simple math and logic

okay best server is around 20-30k cash x lets say q per database

nxt the software is around 1-10k depending how they did it
the ppl maybe make 32-35 a hour

so lets say xiv start up project was around 600k total

now take into account turn ins
15-30 dollar month sub depend on retainers u got
70 inital buy
and then mogstation randoms/name/data/server changes
so around add that up x the number of players
so lets say total income amount into the game is around 1.7million -2million is a pretty good estimate

so maybe you should stop believing what companys tell you its usually a lie lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

acturally its simple math and logic

okay best server is around 20-30k cash x lets say q per database

nxt the software is around 1-10k depending how they did it
the ppl maybe make 32-35 a hour

so lets say xiv start up project was around 600k total

now take into account turn ins
15-30 dollar month sub depend on retainers u got
70 inital buy
and then mogstation randoms/name/data/server changes
so around add that up x the number of players
so lets say total income amount into the game is around 1.7million -2million is a pretty good estimate

so maybe you should stop believing what companys tell you its usually a lie lol

---

So let's add to that :


* Shareholders cut
* Taxes
* Maintenance costs for buildings, office, salaries, equipment, licenses, software, propetaria rights
* hosting costs (our company pays 80k a month on AWS alone)


so maybe you should get some experience on how a company works?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

acturally its simple math and logic

okay best server is around 20-30k cash x lets say q per database

nxt the software is around 1-10k depending how they did it
the ppl maybe make 32-35 a hour

so lets say xiv start up project was around 600k total

now take into account turn ins
15-30 dollar month sub depend on retainers u got
70 inital buy
and then mogstation randoms/name/data/server changes
so around add that up x the number of players
so lets say total income amount into the game is around 1.7million -2million is a pretty good estimate

so maybe you should stop believing what companys tell you its usually a lie lol

---

Money is not the only issue ... they may not have the space, may not have the funding to provide space or another salary for a new person, they may not have gotten good enough applicants, the list goes on. The only people that know that answer is SE themselves. Suggesting that they did not already think of hiring a new person is a ludicrous thought. That is most likely the first thing they thought about.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nyxn607

Suggesting that they did not already think of hiring a new person is a ludicrous thought. That is most likely the first thing they thought about.

---

Actually, Yoshida's department hiring people since 1st April. ツ　Not necessarily for FFXIV tho since they work on other projects as well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Halivel

Actually, Yoshida's department hiring people since 1st April. ツ　Not necessarily for FFXIV tho since they work on other projects as well.

---

Indeed. That is part of my point with the other person up there ^. There is more than just money involved and they most likely thought of hiring someone long ago, just couldn't or didn't for unknown reasons to us.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nyxn607

Indeed. That is part of my point with the other person up there ^. There is more than just money involved and they most likely thought of hiring someone long ago, just couldn't or didn't for unknown reasons to us.

---

well, normally in Japan are few seasons when a lot of companies start to hire people. April which is also a period when students graduate from school and university so I suppose that's why they opened recuirement now (some of positions in their list do not ask experience).

It isn't our fault you don't know what a term means. Pretty embarrassing you felt the need to make an entire topic about it when a google search would have told you what "genderlocked" means.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Razard

"But you can stretch out and add pointy ears on a Hyur and call it a new race apparently. >_>"
"But you can put Kitty ears and a tail on a Hyur and call it a new race apparently. >_>"
"But you can put scales and horns on an Male Elezen/ Female Midlander Hyur and call it a new race apparently. >_>"
"But you can put Bunny Ears on a Female Elezen and call it a new race apparently. >_>
"But you can put in a Potato call it a new race apparently. >_>"

... You want to go on?

---

You say all this, but aside from Potatoes and Roes, Miqo'te, Au Ra, and Elezen all use a doctored up Hyur model.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Averax

You say all this, but aside from Potatoes and Roes, Miqo'te, Au Ra, and Elezen all use a doctored up Hyur model.

---

Which make Hrothgar a good addition to the game, because it doesn't use a doctored Roe model, its entirely unique. Viera on the other hand...... I guess the community wanted it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Which make Hrothgar a good addition to the game, because it doesn't use a doctored Roe model, its entirely unique.

---

Well, technically we will know only after 5.0 release when certain part of community will investigate it. There is high chance that they share body with Roes. Fur is a texture most likely, not part of 3D model itself.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Halivel

Well, technically we will know only after 5.0 release when certain part of community will investigate it. There is high chance that they share body with Roes. Fur is a texture most likely, not part of 3D model itself.

---

We should know with the bench mark I would suspect next month.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Halivel

Well, technically we will know only after 5.0 release when certain part of community will investigate it. There is high chance that they share body with Roes. Fur is a texture most likely, not part of 3D model itself.

---

Its a shared skeleton at most (like minotaurs and cyclops'), which I would hope for, for resource management

Yea, I suspect the Hrothgar are sharing the roe model. Keep in mind that elezen, hyur, miqote, and au ra all share the same skeleton when it comes to gear. They're just modified a bit. Hrothgar is probably using a heavily modified roe model.


If they were a brand new model that would mean SE manually mapped each piece of gear to the new skeleton. I really doubt they did that. :v Insane amount of work to do when they could use a similar model that has all that done already.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

Yea, I suspect the Hrothgar are sharing the roe model. Keep in mind that elezen, hyur, miqote, and au ra all share the same skeleton when it comes to gear. They're just modified a bit. Hrothgar is probably using a heavily modified roe model.

If they were a brand new model that would mean SE manually mapped each piece of gear to the new skeleton. I really doubt they did that. :v Insane amount of work to do when they could use a similar model that has all that done already.

---

Your statement became irrelevant the moment you said heavily modified. If Hrothgar is using a heavily modified roe model, then you could also say that it using a heavily modified Zbrush/Maya/3DS Max human base, or heavily modified cube if thats what they start with. Very few character models start as a cube, and they need a base. If the roe model was used as a base, then fair enough, it makes sense given their size and build, but that doesn't make it any less of a new model.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

It isn't our fault you don't know what a term means. Pretty embarrassing you felt the need to make an entire topic about it when a google search would have told you what "genderlocked" means.

---

And I did one. Haven't found a single link saying it's a race locked to one gender. All of it was classes/jobs locked to one gender.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Your statement became irrelevant the moment you said heavily modified. If Hrothgar is using a heavily modified roe model, then you could also say that it using a heavily modified Zbrush/Maya/3DS Max human base, or heavily modified cube if thats what they start with. Very few character models start as a cube, and they need a base. If the roe model was used as a base, then fair enough, it makes sense given their size and build, but that doesn't make it any less of a new model.

---

I was just trying to say that gear wouldn't be as big of an issue if they did use the roe model as a base, since all the gear in the game is already mapped to that model's skeleton. Not trying to downplay the effort that had to go into making the model though, it is obvious they put a lot of work into it. That's why we still aren't 100% if it is partially reused assets or not.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

I was just trying to say that gear wouldn't be as big of an issue if they did use the roe model as a base, since all the gear in the game is already mapped to that model's skeleton. Not trying to downplay the effort that had to go into making the model though, it is obvious they put a lot of work into it. That's why we still aren't 100% if it is partially reused assets or not.

---

You could be right, it makes sense to use Roe as a reference, but to all the people saying "it's just a roe body with a cat head", you are all ignorant to how character models are made

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You could be right, it makes sense to use Roe as a reference, but to all the people saying "it's just a roe body with a cat head", you are all ignorant to how character models are made

---

The Hrothgar spoiler video is pretty awesome. Perhaps they used some assets from the Roe model but after all is said and done the animations and look for the male gender presented at Fanfest is pretty awesome in my opinion. I plan on Fantasia for two of my alts to Viera (perhaps one for each clan) and I will certainly be making a character for the male Hrothgar when the benchmark hits next month and will probably have fun playing it when 5.0 hits.

https://youtu.be/2l82wTaVhW0

I would certainly have to reserve judgement on any male Viera or female Hrothgar until they're shown not only as concept art if that is coming but the actually models in game with their animations. Personally I was very excited to learn female Viera were coming but I was still very reserved about my excitement until they presented them in game along with their running and other related animations. I was ecstatic to see that they were simply awesome.

Personally I could never warm up to female Elzen, Highlander or Roe's. They just didn't do it for me and still don't but that is a very personal decision and I respect those who enjoy those genders in game.

This may seem unrelated at first...but....I remember when I tried making some custom races for Skyrim via modding. I wanted to do something a little different than the rest of the race mods that existed. I wanted to make a playable race that wasn't a humanoid with a custom head and tail. I wanted a race that was actually more...beastly.

Rearrange the vertices in existing 3D models to make the proportions and poses different? That went smoothly.

Re-texturing the models so it doesn't look like they were simply stretched out? That went smoothly.

Making new animations? It took a long, long time, but it went smoothly.

Re-doing the armors/clothing in the game to match the new body structure of the race? That took even longer, but it went smoothly.

All of the individual tasks that I had to go through went rather smoothly, despite being time consuming.

So how did it turn out?

It was a consistency nightmare. Clipping. Clipping everywhere!

And things worse than clipping. Animation bugs. The game had virtually no cutscenes, but the ones that existed completely broke.

Forget riding on a horse.

Forget....um...playing the game!

Now back to talking about FFXIV:

Things may seem easy on paper, but half of the time, the real effort is in the "glue" that holds things together. This isn't Skyrim and Bethesda we're talking about, either. It's FFXIV and Square Enix. Things that other companies get away with would never work here. Players have brain aneurysms over miqo'te tail clipping.

Square Enix can make it happen, but even if it does happen, it's going to take effort and time. Save your fantasias for later.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

And I did one. Haven't found a single link saying it's a race locked to one gender. All of it was classes/jobs locked to one gender.

---

It refers to anything that is locked to one gender. It really isn't that complicated. Don't get why people are so hung up on word choice all of a sudden. People referred to miqote and roes as genderlocked back in 1.0 as well and there wasn't a raging debate over it. Think it was even used to describe Mithra and Galka too. You guys just want to argue semantics.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

you are all ignorant to how character models are made

---

It is as if it's forbidden for a designer to use a shortcut to create a new model in a quicker time and must start from a plane every time lol.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

snip

---

Sadly a lot don't understand this nightmare and think that the dev team can do all that on demand quickly and they're just lazy (they better not reuse another race as a base model!!).

Again with this:

Everyone who is familiar with MMOs understands what Gender Locking means. You are arguing semantics in an effort to discredit the crux of what people are upset about. Stop it please and stick to the more meaningful issue which is people's dissatisfaction with how two races were rolled out with only one gender selectable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Melichoir

Again with this:

Everyone who is familiar with MMOs understands what Gender Locking means. You are arguing semantics in an effort to discredit the crux of what people are upset about. Stop it please and stick to the more meaningful issue which is people's dissatisfaction with how two races were rolled out with only one gender selectable.

---

They're not trying to discredit anything, just point out that all this fussing isn't helping anything. How much of a drama poo storm would have happened if the developers had decided not to release ANY new races? The fact that we're getting TWO at once is pretty darned considerate of them even with the limitations. Also the fact that they never said they WEREN'T going to release the other genders, just not at this juncture.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Joven

They're not trying to discredit anything, just point out that all this fussing isn't helping anything. How much of a drama poo storm would have happened if the developers had decided not to release ANY new races? The fact that we're getting TWO at once is pretty darned considerate of them even with the limitations. Also the fact that they never said they WEREN'T going to release the other genders, just not at this juncture.

---

I don't see how making a thread trying to pick apart commonly accepted terminology is going to help the fact people are making fuss over this issue though. Trying to point out that "genderlock doesn't mean what you think it means because I decided what it means right now by myself!!" isn't going to do anything but add more fuel to the fire.

I don't understand the fuss over the OP's intentions. Probably because I don't actually know the OP's intentions, and would have to make assumptions to claim otherwise.

I was actually under the impression that this whole thread was about the meaning of the word "lock". (And if such a case is true, the OP truly has a point....people are asking to open a locked door only to find nothingness on the other side.)

The real controversy is whether or not SE will make content to put behind that locked door.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I don't understand the fuss over the OP's intentions. Probably because I don't actually know the OP's intentions, and would have to make assumptions to claim otherwise.

I was actually under the impression that this whole thread was about the meaning of the word "lock". (And if such a case is true, the OP truly has a point....people are asking to open a locked door only to find nothingness on the other side.)

The real controversy is whether or not SE will make content to put behind that locked door.

---

The whole thing boils down to semantics. Whether or not "genderlocked" is a misnomer has no bearing over what people are actually asking for, and that is male Viera and female Hrothgar to be added to the game. Basically you've got people who are bothered by people making noise in their request to the devs and they're trying to discredit it by nitpicking terminology.

https://media.giphy.com/media/uvEplNv4tVXlS/giphy.gif

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

The whole thing boils down to semantics. Whether or not "genderlocked" is a misnomer has no bearing over what people are actually asking for, and that is male Viera and female Hrothgar to be added to the game. Basically you've got people who are bothered by people making noise in their request to the devs and they're trying to discredit it by nitpicking terminology.

https://media.giphy.com/media/uvEplNv4tVXlS/giphy.gif

---

Uhhhh....I'm just going to nod my head anyway without actually understanding.

You may have a point and you may not, but I'm too clueless to know otherwise. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

I don't see how making a thread trying to pick apart commonly accepted terminology is going to help the fact people are making fuss over this issue though. Trying to point out that "genderlock doesn't mean what you think it means because I decided what it means right now by myself!!" isn't going to do anything but add more fuel to the fire.

---

And throwing around a misconstrued term only serves to inflate an argument and get more attention.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Joven

And throwing around a misconstrued term only serves to inflate an argument and get more attention.

---

Or you could just accept the term that is being used since it has been used that way since literally 1.0 days.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

I don't see how making a thread trying to pick apart commonly accepted terminology is going to help the fact people are making fuss over this issue though

---

If that meaning is indeed a commonly accepted meaning for the word gender-lock, I should be able to look it up on google and see that meaning. But all search results point to using it for describing a class locked to one gender only in other MMOs. If you add the word "race" to your search, you will get FFXIV forum posts and articles regarding male Viera and Hrothgar.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

Or you could just accept the term that is being used since it has been used that way since literally 1.0 days.

---

So let's continue to misuse a term just because we've always misused it. Sure, okay.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alucard135

If that meaning is indeed a commonly accepted meaning for the word gender-lock, I should be able to look it up on google and see that meaning. But all search results point to using it for describing a class locked to one gender only in other MMOs. If you add the word "race" to your search, you will get FFXIV forum posts and articles regarding male Viera and Hrothgar.

---

If people used it back during 1.0 without anyone taking issue with it, I don't see why it is a problem all of a sudden. I mean it literally makes sense if you think about it. Something is genderlocked when it is limited to a specific gender, just like when a class is limited to just one gender. How is a race any different than a class in this sense?

If you want to play Hrothgar you are locked into playing as a male. Same in concept as having to be a certain gender in order to play a certain class/job.

This notion that "genderlocked" implies that the content is already in the game and that players are just waiting for it to be unlocked is something you came up with on your own. No where else has that been stated. You're creating your own things to take issue with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Joven

So let's continue to misuse a term just because we've always misused it. Sure, okay.

---

You're expecting everyone else to change their lexicon because you think a word choice is poor? Doesn't that seem unreasonable/pointless to you?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

If people used it back during 1.0 without anyone taking issue with it, I don't see why it is a problem all of a sudden..

---

That's where the problem is. The number of players back in 1.0 was not as massive or even close to what we have today. You have a lot of players coming from different MMOs at different times and the majority came after 2.0 (and some had no idea that Miqo'te and Roes were only one gender). So naturally, the majority will not be familiar with the 1.0 usage of the term and would be using it the way they knew it in other MMOs. So in this case, the majority can actually change the meaning of a term used back in 1.0 to something else, since now the new meaning became the commonly known meaning.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lacan

You're expecting everyone else to change their lexicon because you think a word choice is poor? Doesn't that seem unreasonable/pointless to you?

---

I consider this whole ordeal to be unreasonable/pointless.