The only thing I've noticed is the crazy amount of new players coming into Zalera. Primetime is actually reflected in all cities now instead of just Limsa. A higher population in game is hardly a bad thing. With regards to toxicity I haven't noticed any big issues. I've been leveling an alt and I can't say things have gotten worse or better. I welcome more people into a game that I enjoy greatly.
The "Wow Refugee's" impact on the FFXIV Community?
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03-30-2019, 01:14 PMZeromon
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03-30-2019, 01:56 PMTaiyoShikasu
Nah blood, the great community btw was always garb, you'd just have to not be able to notice usual passive aggression.
Anywho, could it be the Wowfugee boogeyman or is the mask slipping? I'm voting on the latter because no online community is cool and good. -
03-30-2019, 03:16 PMkamikrazy
I hate how they come here and complain that it isn't more like the trash game they are coming from. I quit WoW during MoP because there finally were too many things that I didn't like, and I fell in love with this game and its enormously different design philosophy. It was similar but made different in deliberate ways that solved many of WoW's egregious fundamental problems, and thus I stuck with this game and haven't looked back. I detest how the WoW community is finally bleeding out and coming here and demanding that this game cater to their crappy game design that drove me away from WoW in the first place.
Protip, the problems with WoW aren't just one feature or idea...its the baseline philosophy that they design the game around. This game is BETTER because it has a completely different philosophy that naturally produces a better game, just as WoW organically produces a terrible game because of its design philosophy. Don't come here and whine that "because this game doesn't have WoW's design philosophy its bad!" Its because this game DOESN'T have that design philosophy that its GOOD. If it had the same design philosophy, it'd be just as terrible as the burning trash heap you just ran away from. -
03-30-2019, 03:27 PMVahlnirI'm currently subbed to WoW, but in recent years I have been known to vanish for months at a time. Probably due to unsub again before this next month is over. The game's design is in the wrong hands, period. But I enjoy what time I spend there for the most part. I just wish I had more incentive to stay subbed longer than a month or 2. With FF XIV I could be tempted to take a break here and there but I also don't want to lose my house. This game isn't perfect by any means but I do think it is in decent hands. Mostly. Would prefer more creative hands sometimes but they know how to win me back every now and then. PS devs, thank you for the Manderville Mambo. The mess that was Eureka has been forgiven.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
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03-30-2019, 03:37 PMshiroxkatsuya
Well the community is not perfect by any means, some recent experiences have reminded me just how great the community can be. I recently started an alt and because i never really remember to take the sprout icon off, many people assume i may be new. The amount of tells ive been getting from ppl welcoming me to the game, asking me how my time has been and offering to help has really reminded me why ive put so many hours into this game and have generally enjoyed all of it.
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03-30-2019, 04:08 PMkamikrazyWhat I was specifically referring too was that FFXIV has sort of a permanent framework in which all content is still relevant in a standard way that isn't just junk data forced onto your HDD (or SSD in some cases) for the reason of "just because." In WoW, old content is utterly forgotten and basically a waste of data, whereas in this game all of the content is added into a permanent part of the game's overall content. Because of this, FFXIV gets BIGGER with every expansion, whereas WoW's expansions actually make the game smaller. The best thing I can point out would be endgame dungeons content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
In FF14, you have something like 100 dungeons to play at level cap in order to help you gear up. In WoW, you get 8-10 and that's it. After 2 years, those 8-10 become unused and now you are forced to play another 8-10 for 2 years, and that's all you're permitted to do period. How could anyone compare having nearly 100 dungeons to having literally 1/10th of that? Its a joke and terrible design.
Look at FF14 Roulettes vs. WoW's Timewalking. In FF14 all of the old content in the game is available for play at max level, and even better the system is designed to create a permanent ecosystem in which low and max level players engage together and are united in a common purpose that delivers relevant rewards for both parties involved, and insures that characters not at level cap are able to get parties for dungeons. It is a fantastic idea that was around for a DECADE before FF14, as this exact system was featured in City of Heroes, and it was just a terrific idea so it was also used in FF14.
WoW's Timewalking system is garbage in comparison. It doesn't unite low and high level players, it only covers (once again) 8-10 dungeons at a time, it delivers bad, supbar, if not useless rewards, and it doesn't add to the game, it just adds something to do that doesn't contribute to gearing and doesn't add to an ecosystem like FF14's roulettes. If you were a competitive player, Timewalking is an actual waste of time because it doesn't help you at all...and the worst part is that it is arbitrarily switched on and off for NO REASON AT ALL. Its literally the exact same system, but implemented in an egregiously poor manner. Activision could fix many problems by simply making this system operate in the same way it does in FF14, who's system connects early-game, mid-game, and end game players. But Activision doesn't...probably because they use it to stretch out subs and they don't want to stop selling their precious level boosts.
There's countless areas where you can compare both games having directly the same systems in which FF14 has the exact same thing but its better in every single way and actually ADDS to the game. Farming in MoP was abandoned, in FF14 it was made a permanent and very productive part of the in-game economy. In WoW everyone hated followers and they were abandoned with each expansion and all your invested time in them is a loss now, in FF14 retainers are your bank, your auction house, they farm goods for you, they level up, you gear them, you can even place them around your estates to serve technical functions.
In WoW, Activision added garrisons with the idea that, "They won't allow you to express yourself like real player housing would, but we made up for it by making them actually useful. Something that's meant to express yourself can't be useful too, because then it would become outdated." In FF14, SE added player housing in which you can equally express yourself AND it serves technical functions that make it useful...not just for the current content but for ALL CONTENT MOVING FORWARDS. They proved Activision wrong and made a system that became a permanent part of the game's ecosystem and continues to be used and expanded upon to this day.
The examples are countless. Anyone who believes WoW has an equal or better design to this game is either an addict or delusional. This game is running laps around WoW. -
03-30-2019, 04:47 PMRivers23
1. The number of Wowfugees is greatly, greatly exaggerated
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03-30-2019, 05:36 PMNoodle_Trinidad1) Relevancy of content is horrid for FFXIV and honestly makes me wonder what kind of game you're playing since the very fact that we have iLvl as a gearing system pretty much guarantees that most content will be dead when something new pop ups that gives a higher number spread. One could argue "Glamour" but for the most part that does little to keep most content alive for long if at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
2) It's funny you bring up "100s of Dungeons" at level cap when Stormblood in of itself had 10 Dungeons to work with at cap from 4.0 to now. We had 3 at launch and had 7 added up from 4.1 to 4.5 with one or two being rotated out of the EDR as time went on. Those were your dungeons for the 2 years of Stormblood, especially so given how Tomestones are spread in the roulettes and dungeons themselves, still once again I guess at least Skalla and its Skallic armor did keep it kicking around longer than most of the other Stormblood Dungeons and probably will due to the great design of the armor.
List of all Stormblood 70 Dungeons: Ala Mhigo, Kugane Castle, Temple of the Fist, The Drowned City of Skalla, Hells' Lud, Fractal Hard, Swallow's Compass, Saint Moc Arbor Hard, The Burn and Ghimylt.
That's sad when you compare ARR's 17 4-man Cap Dungeons and HW's 13 4-man Cap Dungeons, means we have kept going down with each consequent expansion with no change to the 3 tunnels and 3 circle bosses setup that each dungeon presents.
3) You do realize Roulettes at the moment suffer from engagement outside of EDR, Trials and 60/70R correct? It's why the Devs keep pushing as many rewards as they can to try and bring people and why MSR became a big point of contention as the older players did not want to suffer the long cutscenes for a barely justified reward. If it were not for the Extra Relevant Tomes being in some of these the content would be dead outside of maybe the latest Dungeons released. Most rewards from dungeon content or even other Roulette content is outdated if not current making the interest of veterans pretty low.
As it stands thinking XIV is better than WoW is foolish as both are games that are set in keeping the status quo in a genre that is stagnating across the board. WoW is finally dying out and getting closer and closer to XIV like numbers and XIV is in a sub-1mil count thats staying stable for the time being. They both give excuses as to why they can't do anything other than more of the same and both seem to have a good disconnect from their community when it comes to understanding feedback, or in WoW's case "You think you do but you don't".
The closest we have to "Empirical" data thanks to SE not sharing numbers, though not to blame given the current trend with most MMOs and other Games as a Service hiding their numbers, do not actually support this claim making me wonder where this "WoWfugee Exodus" came from. One can spout Anecdotal Evidence all they want but the Active Character count has been stable since 4.1 with predictable Drops and Rises with each consequent patch and content lull.Quote:
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03-30-2019, 06:10 PMkamikrazyLol you didn't respond specifically to any of my numerous examples, instead with the "but its only useful for muh glamour" spoken like someone who completely missed the point of my post. Maybe you should reread instead of just getting huffy and reading just enough to spit your opinions about completely unrelated topics as a "reply" to my post. None of what you're saying has any relation to what I was pointing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad
Nearly all of the content in this game is reused in some way after its time in the limelight, and continues to have some kind of purpose, even if that purpose is merely to add variety to the dungeon pool, which has resulted in a game that gets larger with each patch instead of smaller. I don't care what you think of the genre or about sub numbers or blah blah blah that you pulled out of a hat to back up your point (which has nothing to do with what I was pointing out). The simple fact is that this game solves many of the fundamental design problems of WoW by having an overall structure and plan as to what happens to content when its no longer the main content.
Is it perfect? Nope, not at all, but nowhere did I say that. I simply said that its a problem that at least has SOMEKIND of solution in this game, unlike WoW where it might as well just be removed, because its taking up HDD space that it doesn't deserve, because it is completely and utterly unused in that game in any capacity that is meaningful...because the game has no overall structure or plan or use for content that isn't the most recent patch, and even worse, it constantly abandons content because they don't think ahead at all. The lack of an overarching structure in WoW is why GOOD FEATURES that were established in its previous expansions are abandoned. The game can't improve because everytime an improvement is made, it is abandoned 2 years later. it can't expand because each time it grows, it shrinks back down 2 years later. The game is stagnate because they don't utilize any of what they have, they just leave it to rot while it inflates your HDD space.
But oh wait, it isn't just used to add variety to the dungeon pool. It's also used to connect players of all levels to play together, shorten dungeon queues overall for all players, and make sure that max level players don't have to grind 10 dungeons for 2 freaking years...before those 10 are taken away and now they get a new set of 10 for the next 2 years. No variety for you! They have the tech to allow you to have variety, but they deliberately decide to make your day as boring and monotonous as possible! They have a literal button to press to make their game less of a monotonous grind but choose not to press it for no reason at all, except for once every month or so for a few days just to rub it in your face how the majority of the game is completely wasted.
That's why FF14 has around 100 dungeons available in its pool instead of 10. If you are incapable of understanding why one is better than the other, I don't know what to tell you. Your nonsensical opinion is beyond my comprehension. -
03-30-2019, 06:14 PMvan_arnAccurate. #2 has gotten worse over time. They're multiplying, and must needs be cleansed.Quote:
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03-30-2019, 06:26 PMReportMe
WOW truly wasn't expecting this much activity on my first post thanks guys!! Keep the comments coming I really enjoy seeing the differences in the communities.:cool:
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03-30-2019, 06:29 PMReportMe
I'm glad to see that most share your thought on this! Like stated below every game has its nice and toxic players and FFXIV seems to do a good job of weeding the toxic ones out. (Or at least making them less outwardly toxic) :D
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03-30-2019, 06:33 PMReportMeI think one of the biggest things that shocked me was seeing just a "simple" patch update for both Wow and FFXIV. I think this is a great thing for anyone that may be thinking that the dev teams for the games "cant be that different" Its just unreal compare the patch notes of the last BFA update and the last FFXIV update. The Wow update took me maybe 10-15 minutes to read and the FFXIV on well... Im gonna need some more coffee to finish it.Quote:
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03-30-2019, 06:35 PMkamikrazyIts beyond pathetic how WoW has so many more players and devs working on it, but that this game with a fraction of the budget and developers pumps out more and better content at an unbelievably faster rate. 14 months of siege of orgrimmar lol.Quote:
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03-30-2019, 07:20 PMgrinkdaboy
the only thing i didn't like coming from wow to xiv was the glamour system. like, the glamour closet doesn't come anywhere as close as convenient and useful as the transmog system. get an item's appearance once, and it's yours forever. but in xiv, you need prisms and have a limited storage space.
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03-30-2019, 08:24 PMThe-Real-Link
New players are always good; welcome to Eorzea!
That being said as others have mentioned, while this is an MMO, this is not WoW. I have played WoW since late Cata (started raiding in Mists) since I had been on FFXI prior, and also started FFXIV since 1.0 / beta so a decent veteran to both games. While many things are familiar, some things do work differently here so being polite and asking questions is a nice way forward. While FF does have some comparable things to WoW (Transmog=Glamour), (Crafting being well. there to = Crafting being challenging, fun, and useful), (Mythic+=Closest comparison could be Deep Dungeon high floors perhaps), some things are different such as a rich story driven MSQ, raiding sizes, casual alliance raids, side quests, flying, beast tribe / daily factions and rep, and some totally new to FFXIV such as Eureka and Arsenal.
What I'd suggest for someone from WoW personally is to take their time, not judge it compared to WoW but treat the game as its own entity and enjoy the ride. Watch the cutscenes and enjoy yourself. -
03-30-2019, 11:31 PMLiam_HarperI think FF has a few fundemental flaws to iron out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
WoW has (used to have) far better, more fluid, reactive combat. WoW has tons of QoL that we can't have due to "server limitations", better glamour, better mount tab, better minion tab, the toy box (I loved the toy box), crafting from your bank, all bank space and mobile app and alts are free. WoW has add-ons too, which is a big thing. Both games have fairly bleak initial leveling, but 3 buttons at level 30 with a 2.5sec GCD takes the cake. That said, I still believe FF14 is the better game now. FF14 feels like an MMO, WoW feels like a facebook game and they've been shredding their QoL and combat the last few expansions.
FF has the potential to nab WoW's players, but the game just doesn't give a good enough first impression. Jumping over from a lv120 with fast combat to 3 slow buttons, clunky retainers and 50 fetch quests for Titans dinner puts players off.
The other big one is that FF14 isn't built for success. They do not have the server capacity for even a 100k spike in player interest, never mind nabbing a million of WoW's 5 million players. They don't advertise or invest in upgrades for a large spike in players. They seem content to simply sit on what they've got. -
03-30-2019, 11:49 PMDyvid
Generally people will conform to the community they enter. True you'll always have a small percent that doesn't but that is the exception rather than the norm.
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03-31-2019, 12:01 AMFhaerronFraction of budget and developers?Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
Activision has next to World of Warcraft also a few other games. The're also firing 800 developers and the newly appointed CEO just get's 15 million.
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03-31-2019, 02:59 AMImuka
The only thing, that keeps the 14 toxicity a bit in check is the lack of PvP in this Game.
But outside of that we have the same toxicity here like in WoW. It's not a Lol or Overwatch Level, but we have also enough toxic Idiots in this Community.
But we have our "Fail = Kick and Blacklist" Players for Years. Our horrible toxic Raiders who see everybody who does not have +90% Parses as Trash.
The Players pushing for Yoshi and blaming him for raiding being ruined.
I would not call it ruined, but they tried to make Raiding a Midcore Content, instead of makign real Midcore Content and now we have two Parties who not feel super happy with Savage.
Even the nice Raiders say, that it feels to easy for them outside of Ultimate and I can understand them.
And the Midcore Players who always wished for something like Mythic Dungeons get told that now Savage is made for them. It feels weird, like there is a Content planed for everybody but wished by nobody.
You don't want to know how many Devs and how much of the Budget Activision-Blizzard took way over the Years from WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
I would even say, that their Budget could be around the same as 14 and they also struggle to keep up with all the things WoW added over the Years. It's like you were a Company with 1000 people doing 100 things and now they are just 400 and need to Update all the things those 1000 did back then.
I am pretty sure, that Activision-Blizzard took several Millions of WoWs Budget away to pay for the Overwatch League and all that crap around this Bubble of being the biggest ESports in the World.
If I would need to guess, they at least paid half a billion Dollars just for Marketing for Overwatch and keep on burning Money for that and this is paid by the WoW Subs.
Boby the Devil Kotick. One of the most overpaid things (I refuse to call him a Human) in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhaerron
I will always love the WildStar Glamour System. There were no limits what you could wear from the Gear, except that you could only pick the Weapons from your own Class for the Glamour.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinkdaboy
But that was okay using a Pistol as a Sword would have looked super weird. ^^
You wanted to wear the heavy Armor of a Engineer? Just drop it on the Plate, pick a Color, close it and pick the Plate from your Characterscreen...done, be happy.
Only in PvP they were deactivated to make it not possible to hide your true Class in the Game.
I absolutly loved being able to wear those long and heavy Coats of Classes like the Engineer as a Spellslinger.
I will always wish we would get a Housing System like in WS for 14.
The Houses we have at the moments are nice, but there are not enough for everybody and real instanced Housing could solve so many Problems.
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03-31-2019, 03:24 AMRagnhar
The only things I want from WoW in my FFXIV is their glamour storage system and their M+ system but toned down a notch as I do not want to be doing the same dungeons 156 times over and over for a few scraps of gear, not to mention here gaining gear is not a problem so M+ would be more of a novelty thing.
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03-31-2019, 03:54 AMDustytomeThe glamour and account-wide collectables (mounts, achievements, companions, etc) are the features I miss most from WoW. I love having alts, but I'm still just one person. I also don't like rolling on the same rare items on multiple characters, especially when it's against someone that may not have it on any characters.Quote:
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03-31-2019, 03:58 AMVexander
Most World of Warcraft players I've met have been overwhelmed by how friendly and helpful the FFXIV community has been, and they, in turn, have been able to relax and be more pleasant in turn. That's my personal experience.
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03-31-2019, 04:53 AMVoltyblast...well as long as you completely agree with everyone around you, sure the community is all sweetness and sunshine and the land of paradise.Quote:
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03-31-2019, 06:12 AMKaijinRhadaI don't fall under the WoW refugee category, but I have been playing both games in a split fashion since the latter half of ARR, up until recently where I stopped playing WoW in the most recent expac. Here are my thoughts:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReportMe
An influx of players simply mean that: more players. You're going to get a mix of players. If there is a common denominator, it's that people I know coming from WoW are surprised at how talkative and friendly people as a whole are here. Instancing in WoW is largely silent (the grand majority of the time), and occasionally with people trolling and yelling at each other for reasons. On the flip-side, criticism, even of the constructive sort, isn't taken as well here. WoW players leaving now could have left for a myriad of reasons: burn out (WoW is 15 years old, for those that don't know), wanting to try something new, frustration with game mechanics and/or story, guilds falling apart, etc... You get a blank slate when you start new somewhere, so I judge not by the games they play, but how they conduct themselves as a person.
Changes I would want to see in this game are hard for me to pinpoint, since I've not yet experienced highend-game in FFXIV enough and left raiding to WoW (which is still well designed, if you aren't playing an undesirable spec or class). Changes I want here are mostly aesthetic, such as a dye system where there are dye channels to apply multiple colours to gear (also more variety in colours). As far as job mechanics and combat goes, that will depend on how they currently are at any given point. Certainly there are jobs that can definitely use QoL improvements, but it's nothing compared to how obsolete some specs are in WoW at any given raid tier, so even underperforming jobs look great when you compare it to WoW.
As far as what I would want former WoW players to know before coming over, there's a few things. The game is story heavy; if you aren't going to be interested in the story, then this might not be a good fit for you. Additionally, the story (in my opinion) only picks up in the later part of ARR, and level 1-50 is going to feel like a bit of a slog in terms of combat. The GCD in this game is baseline 2.5 seconds compared to the 1-1.5 seconds in BFA, but once you get into the higher levels, you'll get more oGCDs to fill in those gaps (unlike WoW going backwards and adding most things onto the GCD). Your highend raids are 8-mans, not 20. 24 mans aren't quite LFR, they're a separate tier of raids. Your base party has 4 members, not five. Each Job has only one role, and there are no specs in this game. Crafting and gathering professions are their own Jobs with their own crafting and gathering mechanics. Mods are illegal in this game, but it also falls under that weird "don't ask don't tell" void.
In the end, both games have their pros and cons. Welcome to FFXIV. Be good and kind to each other, and have fun.
I'm in a Discord server with people that post frequently on the Official WoW forums lore subforum, and from what I gathered, a lot of them play on Zalera.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromon
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03-31-2019, 06:26 AMVahlnirIt's definitely a better atmosphere but people will still be people which was the point I was trying to make earlier in this thread. We've all seen it recently with a certain decision regarding playable races. The forums aren't exactly a representation of those playing but man oh man did I see some real winners crawl out from the woodwork. They pay a sub otherwise they wouldn't be here, which also means they probably play the game. I love this community but jerks still exist which is why I can't say 'zomg this community is the pinnacle of awesomeness". It's the internet. lol There just doesn't seem to be as many jerks as I've encountered in some other games which is great. I hope it stays that way.Quote:
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03-31-2019, 07:41 AMSelova
I've played WoW for 14 years, started 4 months after the game launched. I started FFXIV when Heavensward launched and have dabbled in both FFXIV and WoW simultaneously until BfA launched, I now strictly only play this game. It's incredibly sad and depressing to watch as a game you grew up with deteriorate into the current state that it's in.
My fondest memories and the moment the game peaked for me was in The Burning Crusades expansion, FFXIV is the only game that has given me that feeling i had playing BC and made me feel like i want to keep playing it and not just logging in 2-3 nights a week for 3 hours just to raid and do nothing else. It's obvious that FFXIV is getting a lot of "WoW refugees" which in my opinion, can only be a good thing for the games health.
I think a lot of people that have only played exclusively FF11 and migrated to FFXIV have a certain perception of WoW players and how toxic a lot of the community is and i think it stems mostly from the periodic decline that WoW has been in over the years. It turns out that people don't take too kindly as they watch the game they grew up with and loved gradually burn to the ground and is nothing but a lifeless husk of what it used to be. I'm seeing quite a few WoW veteran's, like myself give FFXIV a shot and from what I've been seeing and hearing they also echo my sentiments on how FFXIV is a refreshing oasis in a dry desert when it comes to MMO's and that it's given them back that oldschool feeling of actually wanting to play a MMO and being immersed in a fantasy world.
So, regardless of what hangups people might have with either WoW or it's community, I firmly believe all the previous WoW players coming over will only serve to improve the game, as it's currently in the healthiest state it's ever been and i hope it continues to move forward. -
03-31-2019, 08:48 AMWindwalker
WoW made people anti social with garrisons, pvp created hate and split the playerbase between alliance and horde... in ffxiv however we work togheter, we need eachother to share tactics in dungeons/raids to beat a boss and move forward, which in turn creates more social experiences in dungeon and raid runs.
And thanks to the novice network, its only getting better, new players can ask questions, hints and tricks, all in all it creates a friendly enviroment.
The WoW folks are more than welcome to join and enjoy the game, as long as they play nice of course, if not, we can turn their attitude around. -
03-31-2019, 08:55 AMImuka
Here is the perfect example how toxic this Community can be: They needed to disable the Text Chat in the Feast.
I remember the times, when there was a Chat in the Feast and the whole Chat looked like it came straight out of LoL or Overwatch.
The Dutyfinders make Players anti social, it makes every MMO anti social. 14 is also pretty toxic, when you play PvP or go for PUGS Primales or Savage and owning a House made Players just move between the MB and their House...maybe once every two weeks the visit Rhalgrs Reach to buy Gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windwalker
You don't need other Players, you can be the biggest dick of the Game and you still find Players to play a Dungeon or a 24 Player Raid.
And the Game does not matter, WoW or 14. Every Game with a Dutyfinder became anti social in the long run.
Players don't need to leave their House, don't need to interact with somebody, they just need to press a single Icon to play Content.
The Novice Network is a joke. I stopped joining it, because you risk getting kicked if you tell somebody that what they say is just wrong.
90% of the Players running around with their Mentor Crowns have absolutly no clue what they are doing.
There is a reason why the Meme of "Mentors show you how not to do a fight" is a thing.
You make it sound like every WoW Player is a toxic Person and 14 is the nicest Community in the whole MMO Genre.
Every MMO is around the same Level of toxicity.
You could download the MMO with the cutest Graphics, filled with "Moe Moe Moe" Chibi Characters and fluffy Monsters and you will still find a bunch of Player who will flame you into the Ground for no reason. -
03-31-2019, 09:30 AMWindwalker
Well, sad to see you had bad experiences, i guess this is true for most lower populated servers, Balmung got a very friendly community in comparison, new players cannot join, nor can bots. Roleplay may also play part in a more friendly community.
However, being negative will only breed more negativity. Give the network a chance, or perhaps show them there are people better than them that can actually be helpful.
Kicking someone from the network over something so trivial will only hurt those who do it, report them and move on, simple.
Something i noticed when it came to those people, is their need of getting attention, their social skills are whack and they gain attention by acting cool and hostile, this is true for most of the online world, sad people with messed up mental health, they simply need help and guidance towards the right direction. -
03-31-2019, 09:52 AMGralnaImo, most of WoW's massive QoL features are a result of the game being over 15 years old. They've had tons of time add little things here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam_Harper
Also, WoW has nowhere near 5M players, they were just under 2M when BfA launched, and have been bouncing between 600k-1M for last few months.
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03-31-2019, 09:54 AMVahlnirTheir numbers go up pretty high with expansion launches so the interest in WoW is almost always there. Blizzard is just doing a poor job of retaining players post launch so the numbers keep going lower and lower. WoD all but ruined peoples' opinion of the game and the company too so that doesn't help and people are already starting to compare BfA to WoD. I don't think we're quite there yet but we may be if 8.2 doesn't bring something substantial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gralna
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03-31-2019, 09:56 AMWindwalker
Doesn't really help that most left after the Diablo:Immortal fiasco also key members of Blizzard left so its all run by activision now. They don't care about their playerbase, only about profits.
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03-31-2019, 10:58 AMImukaJust like with any MMO, the Players hope to get back their old good times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
With ShB we will see a lot of Players who left in the Life Span of SB coming back, hoping that the Game will be like in the past.
I must say, for me ShB feels already like this "make or break" Point for the Game. 14 is not bad, but the Devs are so into staying with their Formula all the time, that it starts to hurt the Game.
So many left because Stormblood felt like playing another run of "Heavensward but somehow weaker" and if Shadowsbringers again feels like playing "Heavensward but somehow weaker" for the third time, many might drop the Game completly.
Many Players can accept not getting out of the Comfort Zone once, but it gets hard, if Devs to it twice. -
03-31-2019, 11:11 AMVahlnirStormblood was definitely not their brightest period in the game but it wasn't all bad. If Eureka had turned out to be something truly new and actually fun the reception probably would have been better. As of probably the last 2-3 patches I have actually been enjoying the story a good bit, and normally I hate the story for the most part. There's some things that SE probably won't shy away from, like the dungeons, raids and gear treadmill. What they are sorely lacking in is side content that has longevity (and is actually, you know, fun) and an active open world.Quote:
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I think back to the MMO named Rift (RIP original rift, sad to see the f2p/p2w version that exists now) which had occasional zone invasions that encompassed an entire zone. Small towns and hubs would come under attack and you had to either defend them or take them back. Once the event was over though things would return to normal no matter what condition things ended in and there was various rewards you could trade currencies for. That was some of the best times I've had in any MMO if I'm being honest. It'd be neat to see something similar with Shadowbringers since we're basically going to be at war with the Light on another world entirely. -
03-31-2019, 11:02 PMlinayI'd rather like that. If I want to play with different game formulas, I play with different games. I don't want to come back to FFXIV wondering if it's a different game than what I bought. The details (combat system, etc.) change and the story progresses like a good RPG, but the overall formula of the game shouldn't change with every expansion to the point of making it a different game. That's why they're called expansions, not formula-changers.Quote:
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03-31-2019, 11:54 PMKaedanAhh, Rift. The only other MMO besides FFXI and FFXIV that was good enough to hold my attention for a significant period. SE could learn a few things from the dynamic content in Rift. FATEs are a tiny bit similar, but not "involved" enough to measure up.Quote:
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04-01-2019, 12:11 AMImukaFor me, there is a difference between:Quote:
Originally Posted by linay
"Always completly sticking to the formula" and "Knowing what the Players like but going for a little twist.".
The reason why many Players remember Badrams is the second Mini Game Boss. It was different and not another "Punch it in the face Boss" and the Players enjoyed that.
And we got something like this just a single time in the whole Stormblood Addon.
The Players like Bosses in a Dungeon, but that does not mean, that every Boss needs to be a "Punch them in the Face" Boss.
It was still a Boss, but with a little twist.
Sticking to the formula is: Trash, Boss, Trash, Boss, Trash/Mini Boss, Endboss in every Dungeon.
Why not: Puzzle Boss, Mini Boss, Trash+Boss, Mini Boss+Trash, Endboss. Still 3 Bosses and things in between, but with some small changes.
I wish the Devs would see those as Elements they can mix in several Ways. And give us the Puzzle Rooms back.
Maybe a Dungeon that is a Tower and to enter it, we need to do a Machine Puzzle Boss.
After that we have a Mini Boss inside who is the Doorkeeper, from that we move upwards and see how they started to line up a defense against us, with Trashmobs and a Boss.
Later we get ambushed by a Mini Boss with some Trash and then we reach the Endboss at the top.
Sounds like fun for me. I would like to see the Devs see al those Elements as something they can combine in many different ways.
It would not change a lot in the first moment, but it would make the Dungeons feel a bit different.
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04-01-2019, 12:44 AMTitor
I’ve noticed a lot of the friendliness on xiv is fake and many will backstab given the opportunity.
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04-01-2019, 01:50 AMlinaySounds like you want some novelties in dungeons. Novelties are fine until most people find a way to just run through them in the most efficient way possible, thus lowering their value. Bardam's second boss is definitely unique, but it's just another boss after having run it multiple times on multiple characters/jobs.Quote:
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I don't mind such things myself, but unless there is a purpose behind it other than just to be different, I don't think it would matter much to the state of the game overall. Dungeons have a specific purpose in FFXIV and the current formula fits that purpose nicely as it is.
And to fit in with the topic of this thread, the reasons I've seen WoW players give for not liking FFXIV tend to be about the longer GCD (which I personally prefer), lots of noncombat quests and cutscenes, having to go through MSQ to play current content/unlock features, loading screen in between zones, and art style (which I also prefer to WoW's). Those and other reasons tend to be more pressing matters to consider than changing formula for something that is meant to be run primarily for leveling and gearing.