Request: Polls To Add Certain Limited Items To The Mog Station

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

If the Statue Emotes were promised to stay exclusive then they should stay as such. Same thing with the White Raven earrings.

The issue here is that we now have a prededent set by Yoshida and SE to not expect any of the promises to be upheld given the broken 1.0 promise with the White Ravens. Chances are further down the line they might bring them back to cash shop to correspond with their nature of being actual bought items.

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Yoshida stated he regrets not looking into the feedback in time due to his travels. Chances of the White Raven situation happening again are low.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

If the Statue Emotes were promised to stay exclusive then they should stay as such. Same thing with the White Raven earrings.

The issue here is that we now have a prededent set by Yoshida and SE to not expect any of the promises to be upheld given the broken 1.0 promise with the White Ravens. Chances are further down the line they might bring them back to cash shop to correspond with their nature of being actual bought items.

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There is no promise of exclusivity when it comes to some of the items, like the emotes on the statues. The issue for some items are the exclusivity of the physical items (like said statues). The emotes are a bonus to an exclusive item. If they want to do things like keep the emotes tied to the statue, filling per order or keeping the items in stock would be nice.

https://i.gyazo.com/a8f67d9d8090f7c2...bb2ed0a769.png

Technically, the statue does not even say it is of limited stock or exclusive. However, the Odin and Shiva statues no longer being stocked, we know Ultima will end up the same way.

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Originally Posted by Derio

I didnt even buy a statue and I dont want it in the Mog Station.

It would greatly be a slap in the face to those who bought the statues.

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I bought one of the statues. I don't think it's a slap in the face.

Were many of the merchandise items promised to be exclusive? I remember the statues were supposed to be Square Enix Store exclusive and I think the pre order items were said to be exclusive (along with certain physical Collector’s Edition items), but I don’t remember the other bonus codes stated to be exclusive.

The idea here was to ask for a poll for the people who already have the items if they’re fine with them being on the Mog Station. I personally already have the Odin statue and pre ordered Ultima, and have bought a lot of other merch (3 plushes, 4 soundtracks, both soundtracks, pre orders on every expansion, the Amazon items, and other no code items) and would love to see all of it on the Mog Station. I personally don’t like them being locked behind expensive physical merch with codes that eventually expire (so even if you buy older items like the Before Meteor soundtrack, you don’t get the minion anymore). I don’t think having money to burn at the right time is something that deserves exclusivity. However, if enough people did buy specifically for the in game stuff and want to keep it exclusive, it would be unfair to them to make it available on the Mog Station. And there might be a case where say statue owners don’t want the emotes available, but soundtrack owners don’t care if the minions are and the Amazon mount plus glamour gear people want the stuff on the Mog Station.

Then there’s also the 1.0 stuff. That went beyond just buying an item, it also involved buying a bad game with no guarantee it would ever be good. There’s much more meaning behind those, but again, if the majority of them don’t care about the exclusivity, there’s not much reason to keep it exclusive.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I bought one of the statues. I don't think it's a slap in the face.

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I bought all three of the statues, primarily for the emotes. I'm happy to throw money at such things whether they're on the Mog Station or part of a promotion. I do think a solid compromise would be to ensure that all merchandise related codes are available permanently. That way if people really want a specific emote, minion or some such and it's tied to merchandise they can save up over time and not have to worry about missing out if money is tight at the time of their initial launch.

Sadly as a pair of earrings proved those that have will throw a fit even more so than those that would like to have. I'm surprised how no one cared about the butler/maid outfits because they added a word to the name, so why not call them "replica" or something for 1.0 items? Besides, I'm pretty sure most people with 1.0 (or the CE) stuff never even give it the time of day and it just sits in a retainer and collects e-dust.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

Sadly as a pair of earrings proved those that have will throw a fit even more so than those that would like to have. I'm surprised how no one cared about the butler/maid outfits because they added a word to the name, so why not call them "replica" or something for 1.0 items? Besides, I'm pretty sure most people with 1.0 (or the CE) stuff never even give it the time of day and it just sits in a retainer and collects e-dust.

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To be fair about the earrings, they weren’t just a random exclusive item, they were essentially the only reward to clearing the final raid in 1.x. You had to not only have of bought and played 1.0, but gotten to cap, geared up, found a group, and learned and beat one of the hardest fights in the game, in a bad, dying game with a relaunch that might’ve failed. They were not only a 1.0 sign, but a sign of someone having cleared 1.0 endgame, at least iirc). Then they were given out for completing a set of fates during an event, exactly the same. Those had to be earned and could only be gotten by people willing to sink time and money into 1.0.

Meanwhile, the merch item codes are gotten by having money to spare when the merch comes out. They aren’t earned and only represent you bought merch. I personally love the merch and have money for it. However, I don’t think me having money at the right time means I did anything to earn them and absolutely wouldn’t mind seeing them on the Mog Station. Heck, I wouldn’t even mind them being earnable in game (or having something like WoW Tokens that can be sold for gil and redeemed for currency). But that’s just me.

If something is exclusive, or even heavily implied to be exclusive, then it shouldn't end up on the mogstation.

As far as I'm concerned; if SE was selling items that were limited in supply or only gave players a limited time window to purchase said items, then the value of said items are intrinsically tied to the scarcity of them. With that said, the scarcity value of said items or emotes needs to be considered when deciding if or when to introduce more of said items into the market (thus lowering the scarcity of the items in question and diminishing their monetary value).

If SE was using the scarcity value of these items to sell them in the first place, "Limited supply!" or "Buy now before it's too late!", then it would be pretty sleazy, in my opinion, to bring these limited time only items back and put them for sale on mogstation.

For those unfamiliar with the concept of scarcity value, I've provided a basic definition of it below. Courtesy of Wikipedia.

"Scarcity value is the economic factor that increases an item's relative price based upon artificially low supply. Whereas the prices of newly manufactured products depends mostly on the cost of production (the cost of inputs used to produce them, which in turn reflects the scarcity of the inputs), the prices of many goods—such as antiques, rare stamps, and those raw materials in high demand—reflects the scarcity of the products themselves."

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Originally Posted by linay

Next to the salvager, there is a seasonal NPC with all the seasonal events listed but nothing to sell, even during a seasonal event.

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If you completed a quest prior to the change to selling items on the mogstation you can get items there. Like the Christmas items for the first year. I didnt complete it because I did a dumb. So I cant buy the stuff. But this year, on some servers, our very awesome fellow players that had were buying items and putting them up on the auction house for a loss so people could get them. All my alts thank you.

I can buy the swimsuits I already have there on my main, but my alts who were created after can not.

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Originally Posted by Pixiehawk

If you completed a quest prior to the change to selling items on the mogstation you can get items there. Like the Christmas items for the first year. I didnt complete it because I did a dumb. So I cant buy the stuff. But this year, on some servers, our very awesome fellow players that had were buying items and putting them up on the auction house for a loss so people could get them. All my alts thank you.

I can buy the swimsuits I already have there on my main, but my alts who were created after can not.

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Ah, well I started playing in January of 2017 and I don't remember when I did my first seasonal event, probably that year's valentione's day as I remembered I forgot to get the angel minion.

That is after they changed to selling past event items in the Mogshop instead of that vendor :( so the only way to get it is real money.

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Originally Posted by Yshal

For those unfamiliar with the concept of scarcity value, I've provided a basic definition of it below. Courtesy of Wikipedia.

"Scarcity value is the economic factor that increases an item's relative price based upon artificially low supply. Whereas the prices of newly manufactured products depends mostly on the cost of production (the cost of inputs used to produce them, which in turn reflects the scarcity of the inputs), the prices of many goods—such as antiques, rare stamps, and those raw materials in high demand—reflects the scarcity of the products themselves."

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I don't think scarcity value can really be applied here. Two reasons:

1. The original selling price of the physical item is not determined by supply and demand. Rather it's set to a fixed value by Square Enix. If the price was based on scarcity value, the statues would be much more expensive, and would get more expensive as supplies dwindle.

2. Once the in-game bonus item has been applied to an account it can no longer be sold. In a free market situation some of these items might have high scarcity value but it's moot because the item is forever locked to its original owner.

I can agree though that if something is promised to be forever exclusive, that promise should not be broken. The White Heron earrings have evidently been marketed as such, but have any other items? I can't see any promises of exclusivity of the emotes accompanying the statues. Nor do I see any such promises for the retail campaign items. So it seems to me that Square Enix would not be going back on any promises by making these items available on the mog station.

I was against them using the earrings in the event because they had been rewards for people that beat a hard boss in an older version of the game. Strangely they had no problem doing that to this so why should merchandise emotes stay exclusive forever? Unlike the earrings that were part of a whole older version these are all things that are part of the new version.

Maybe they could at least release all the items in the mog station that are not buyable anymore since their coded expired. This way people that wanted certain recent items would still have to buy the merchandise.

In the end it would be interesting to know who was okay with the release of the earrings in the event but is now suddenly against such a thing with merchandise items. (Especially since people would still have to pay money for those items and dont have the merchandise on top of that..while the earrings were given out for free in an easy event.)

I would also like to see old items added to Mogstation after they've expired (or make them available again with a permanent code through the SE store). They've already done it with some items like the early plushies. Might as well be consistent and make the others available. I purchased a few items which I forgot to enter the code for at the time and now they're expired. :( I'm even willing to rebuy the item but would like to be able to get a new working code.