Is Baldesian Arsenal discord a mistake?

We spent a good hour and a half organizing tonight, spending roughly 45 minutes server hopping. I gave up. There are just too many discord groups looking for too few instances, and we would consistently just queue in instances with other premades, including hardcore raiders. This is getting really tedious and just not fun gameplay. Server hopping isn't gameplay.

And then when you try joining BA in an instance without a premade in it, it's absolutely empty. You're have little choice but to "steal" premades' portals to get to do the content without wasting hours away in Discord making no progress.

To me, BA design is full of flaw. It is called public dungeon but it is really limited. In addition, it needs support from outside party, and the worst thing about outside party, they only get 10 crystal for their works (and 9 lockboxes). What they should do: abolished outside NM support and 144 can join in directly (like what diadem is).

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Originally Posted by Sapphire_Dianta

The BA Discord should not NEED to exist.

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This is hitting the nail on the head right here. While I don't think they should nerf BA into the ground to please the casual playerbase, I think something has to be done. I wouldn't remove perma-death, But I honestly dont know what they can do to compromise.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

This is hitting the nail on the head right here. While I don't think they should nerf BA into the ground to please the casual playerbase, I think something has to be done. I wouldn't remove perma-death, But I honestly dont know what they can do to compromise.

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Create a 56 alliance recruitment in party finder and allow them into to queue into instances that doesn't have another party made by that system. And they can use alliance chat instead of shout chat to communicate. Or even allow them to do so inside of Eureka.

Own the chaos discord

can confirm it was a mistake

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

This is hitting the nail on the head right here. While I don't think they should nerf BA into the ground to please the casual playerbase, I think something has to be done. I wouldn't remove perma-death, But I honestly dont know what they can do to compromise.

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In my opinion, there should have been two 56-player dungeons released. Baldesion Arsenal should have been something you access from the duty/party finder, like a 24-man raid or a savage raid. And then something else should have been created specifically for Eureka, something that is actually pug-friendly and can conceivably be cleared by a large group of randoms.

The Arsenal itself is fine. It's the entry conditions that are the problem.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Man, they really captured FFXI's end game almost perfectly XD

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No they did not...this is a perverted, corrupted and twisted version of XI in general. Which proves to me that Yoshi P has some kind of grudge against XI. There is just no way that you pay homage to a game and system that spawned this current game and system the way he has.

BA needs to be part of the duty finder. Only way to fix this massive oversight.

Make adjustments as necessary allow rezzing etc. Make difficulty in between 24 man and savage.

BA is so extremely pug unfriendly that the discord probably is the only way you'll see clears.
They give out the info freely and you can always just go in mute and use the tools they provide to get in without ever talking at all.

You can't really party finder 48 people for a group queue without an external resource to organize and the dungeon itself actually is designed in a way that the content is easy but one random person that doesn't know what they're doing can wipe out everyone

With the myriad of flaws in the implementation of BA and Hydatos in general. The discord is pretty much the one thing making it workable

I think a pug group could get through it but the way it is we will never find out. I manage to get a hours worth of play in the last 7 days. first time was with a group of 3 pts never got past first boss but was fun I enjoyed it. 2nd time I lucked into we ran out of time but I could see absolute virtue in the back :D. 3rd time I seen discord doing there thing but 1 party was not locked and password protected.... it blew my mind so I took it. then came the discord password which I don't use to play games. after 5 min of convincing them I could do that I pug savage they said ok enter at your own risk lol so I did and died at end of first boss cause I was a tad slow on the last aoe he did. left for dead I had no choice but to leave. Before this I figured in the next 5 months or so till Shadow brings comes out I could get a clear and the mount. I have my doubts. But wouldn't it be simple enough to have open PF's or just take in 3-4 full pts to leave room for ppl in the zone. As much forms I have read on the matter I cant believe how much blame is tossed towards full discord groups and taking portals not to mention miss leading facts on those matters ex. taking portal is sniping which is untrue I seen the follow up gm report about it If u take to play and no just to get in and exit etc.. that nothing has evolved past that. Until if ever SE makes it DF optional or takes away locked PF etc. I see no reason why we the ppl who play cant simply say PF is unlocked discord is not needed feel free to join. I'm willing to bet that will cut done the real sniping. There has got to be like over hundred ppl that are actively playing BA who can make this happen. The ball is not on the pugs court. ty all I said more than I said all day lol but id really love to play this content on my ps4 and no discord.

One thing they could actually do that would be beneficial would be to have the Ovni NM give a specific item that is uique and one time use to allow players to enter BA from the outside by turning it into Rodney. This is one of the better ways that I think could fix the issue with people sniping portals. Yes, his defeats the purpose of having an open dungeon. I think this would alleviate the whole situation that is going on with people and not being able to do BA. Tonight my group tried for 3 hours before giving up. We even waited for the current group to get out and when they did we asked if we could go in and they said they were going back in and to wait their turn. We even helped their support group by killing the Support NM.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

I don't know about your server/datacenter, but when I've been in BA groups, the people in the group almost always shout a link to the discord in eureka, asking that people join the discord if they want to get in on organized BA runs. There are multiple public discords out there, running groups ranging from newbie-friendly fragment farms + prog learning, to clear attempts. If you look around, you should be able to find one for your DC pretty easily.

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The problem with that is with the upcoming server migrations is that a lot of people are going to be fragmented. I created a friendly Crystal Discord for BA and I have received nothing but grief from another discord about it. Saying that there is no need we already have a discord on the other data centers and they seem to think that people are going to stay with them.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

If they're a huge raid premade and politely ask people to leave portals for them and you snipe it. You're just being a jerk.

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How about when a group has 4-5 groups already and are actively recruiting from inside the instance like it was intended and the big group that comes in see's that you are recruiting and says since you are not a full 56-man group you have to wait for us to finish. No telling how long that is. I've seen groups go in back to back leaving other out in the wind to do their support NM with little to no reward or chance to have a shot to even learn.

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Originally Posted by Toshu

The problem with that is with the upcoming server migrations is that a lot of people are going to be fragmented. I created a friendly Crystal Discord for BA and I have received nothing but grief from another discord about it. Saying that there is no need we already have a discord on the other data centers and they seem to think that people are going to stay with them.

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To be fair, the issue with dividing the Discords between Crystal and Aether/Crystal and Primal right now—before the split has even happened—is that it makes it difficult to not only recruit (because you’ve now fragmented your playerbase for no reason—Crystal isn’t here yet, and they’ve made no announcement about WHEN we’re actually getting it), but to also queue in and get an instance that doesn’t already have another BA group waiting (it’s already hard enough with the Aether one and us trying to organize multiple arsenal groups during prime times when the game simply won’t allow fresh instances to spawn). You have two discords for Primal that are not communicating with one another, so there will be friction when one of you organize a group and try to go into an instance and find out that there’s already another group from the other Discord there waiting.

It’s easier to keep everyone in one server until the split, and then start utilizing the Crystal-only BA server afterward, imo. This isn’t like Savage recruitment, where you are trying to gather people for content in the future (e.g., the Crystal raid discords that have popped up to try and recruit teams for 5.0 and beyond). You’re trying to recruit people to do content right now—like a large-scale PF in Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by Toshu

How about when a group has 4-5 groups already and are actively recruiting from inside the instance like it was intended and the big group that comes in see's that you are recruiting and says since you are not a full 56-man group you have to wait for us to finish. No telling how long that is. I've seen groups go in back to back leaving other out in the wind to do their support NM with little to no reward or chance to have a shot to even learn.

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For the Aether BA discord, if you have 2+ groups from your arsenal already in the instance and are trying to fill in any open spots with pick-ups from the instance, you have priority over any other arsenal that comes in. So, say you’re Arsenal 1 for example, but you need to find a few more people for one of your teams or for your support team if you’re going for AV/Ozma and you’re trying to pick up anyone already inside your instance who may be interested. Arsenal 8 comes in and tries to secure the instance for their Ozma run. You (Arsenal 1) were there first, so you get priority. And Arsenal 8 bows out. That’s how things are handled on Aether with multiple groups. I’ve never seen one arsenal try to take the instance away from another almost full group that was already there.

simply need to give up discord only. not everyone wants to use it. make the PF unlocked for ppl. That would solve a huge problem.

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Originally Posted by ErdrickT

simply need to give up discord only. not everyone wants to use it. make the PF unlocked for ppl. That would solve a huge problem.

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The problem isn't discord tho. The PF suggestion is fine - that I agree with, but let's not sit here and blame discord, because that truly isn't the problem.

The "method" of access Baldesion Arsenal is a horrible mistake.

Just spent a hour in a party that constantly had to dip in and out of Hydatos hoping and praying for a clean instance, but nope, different groups were already in each one.

Future "public dungeons" like this need to be done via DF. End of discussion.

its just the discord only part of it. using discord if fine. I have only ask a few times to get in just to be referred to use discord but maybe I just got unlucky those tries. Next few days ill keep active getting in PF with out discord. If I am wrong which I hope I am ill get the word round for others to give it a try.