The new data center for NA and the world visit system is making my head hurt a little bit trying to figure out how it'll work out
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11-18-2018, 01:56 AMBluvirus
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11-18-2018, 02:22 AMKurando
I picture it like every player that visits another world will have a time limit whilst they are there and would be kicked if inactive for more than 10mins (akin to Eureka) in order to keep the world that's being visited from being too overly populated at a single time. Of course I could be completely wrong but we'll find out in time.
The new data centres should help to spread the most populated worlds a little more evenly, but definitely queue times are going to take a hit so let's hope we get some nice jobs worth queuing up for! -
11-18-2018, 09:58 AMMirakumi
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11-18-2018, 12:22 PMHestzhyen
If they put Crystal on the east cost I will jump ship immediately... even if it means more Balmung madness. That's the only thing I really want (and won't get) out of this... servers for my side of the country. :(
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11-18-2018, 12:25 PMRangar
JFC, SE is just adding another data center, it's gonna be in the same place where the two currently are.
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02-27-2019, 01:03 PMSasha_Marigold
I've kept quiet about all this server changing....until now....and frankly....i hate it...yes this means nothing to the powers that be.....but I just found out that half my friends are planning on leaving because of the redistribution. The other half are staying because we have too much time and effort in our housing which is so limited that it would be pretty much impossible to replace if we moved. Being separated from the more active raid worlds has crushed my friend list. So this is just one more rant/complaint about the redistribution that can be ignored by all, but just had to finally chime in as this is rather depressing. This is supposed to be fun and the redistribution is yanking the fun away from this game......*sad in Coeurl*
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02-27-2019, 03:16 PMIbuki-
I would love to have an oceanic data center.
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02-27-2019, 04:08 PMOskarXCI
EU will be getting 2 new servers. One for each DC, when the split happen.
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02-27-2019, 11:51 PMthantaimetmoi
we have new when 5.0 coming
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02-28-2019, 01:32 AMKazrahAs bad as it is, I only have two words for it: blame Balmung. I'd argue that this is all happening because players on crowded servers like Balmung don't want to leave their servers for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasha_Marigold
But community? The upcoming world transfer system means that you can visit and be part of communities on other servers.
But housing? Players will get reimbursed in full and then some for transferring for any housing plots or apartments they leave behind with. In fact, this would motivate others getting housing since some players might transfer from a high-pop server where getting a house would be next to impossible to a lower-pop server where it's not too hard to get a house.
But static? Yes, some statics may be broken, and while that is certainly unfortunate, but there will always be more raiders and whole statics can be moved to their datacenter of choice without having to worry about things like housing. Furthermore, by the time we get our free transfers in response to (either before or after) the datacenter change-up, there will likely be more statics prepping for the Shadowbringers raid rather than working on Omega.
But, but....something? At least for NA servers, this is only happening because Balmung is not just as bloated as it is, but is filled with so many players that absolutely refuse to leave for one reason or another. What is being done is an attempt to nullify (or at least shrink down) the major excuses players on high-pop servers may have against transferring to lower-pop servers.
As for EU servers, I'm not as sure. The only real theory I have short of increased marketing targeted at the EU is that SE might tighten the limit at which a server becomes classified as "congested" as a means of evening out server populations. This would not only mean that the most populated servers on EU could become listed as "congested", but that more players on NA servers like Balmung would need to transfer before being classified again as "standard", and at that point, players wouldn't have much excuse anymore not to leave.
SERIOUSLY, WHY IS THIS NOT A THING YET? Although I feel like by now, the Aussie playerbase should've banded together and conquered a JP datacenter, or at least a couple of servers on the same datacenter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuki-
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02-28-2019, 02:39 AMEnlaReally not just Balmung anymore. The issue is that Aether has the three most populated servers in the entire game. Balmung at 17k according to LuckyBancho, Gilgamesh at 12k, and Mateus at 14k. A quick check at the other servers on Aether show similar signs of being larger than their Japanese or EU counterparts as well, with even our smallest servers dwarfing theirs by a couple thousand players in some cases. Which all combine together to create massive server strain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
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02-28-2019, 02:42 AMGomJabbarIsn't that pretty much what they did with Tonberry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
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02-28-2019, 05:18 AMKazrahGilgamesh, while definitely a crowded server, not once has ever been deemed a "congested" server despite being the prime hub for hardcore players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enla
Meanwile, Mateus is only as crowded as it is because it's Balmung's overflow server. That's how I know that it's not a problem with Aether as much as it's a problem with Balmung.
I thought so too, but I've been seeing more and more Aussie players on NA servers, so I wasn't sure these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by GomJabbar
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02-28-2019, 05:56 AMAraminaGilgamesh was closed the first time along with Balmung. So it *was* a congested server, it just did not continue to be one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
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02-28-2019, 07:07 AMEnlaYou're ignoring my point about the entirety of Aether even so. By all means look at the census numbers on Lucky Bancho. With almost any server you click, the numbers reflected show that Aether simply has more character than any other data center. Balmung and Mateus might have the biggest numbers but the data center itself is bloated beyond capacity. Hence why I said it's not /JUST/ a Balmung issue anymore. At no point was I absolving my server of facing an overpopulation problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
Also like Aramina said, Gilgamesh has been closed before and was for a fairly decent time before reopening. -
02-28-2019, 07:27 AMlinay
At least on the NA side, it is interesting that, alongside Balmung and Mateus, new datacenter Crystal will have all the servers that SE has currently designated as preferred worlds earlier this year as well as my own server which has enjoyed a long run on and off (mostly on, but currently off) as a preferred world. To think that new players would most likely be directed to a datacenter with balmung on first login going forward, at least at the start.
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02-28-2019, 11:31 PMBambooShoo
Honestly the main baffling thing is that they're splitting EU.
Last I saw, EU already has one of the lowest populations, and now they're splitting it in half, effectively making the game worse for everyone that plays there. -
02-28-2019, 11:35 PMlinayThey're probably adjusting for peak potential. Were EU servers affected by the problem at the beginning of Stormblood? Did EU servers had to use instances on lochs and possibly other SB zones?Quote:
Originally Posted by BambooShoo
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02-28-2019, 11:40 PMBambooShooI understand that that's probably the reasoning, but it's a flawed way of actually solving that problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by linay
Because what happens 3 months after launch? Surprise surprise, the EU servers are a barren wasteland because SE took away 50% of the population.
I wouldn't be as worried if they could at least promise compensation for when this does occur, or a promise to merge the data-centers again.
Just a pure split is probably the laziest, and most harmful way to actually "fix" this. -
03-01-2019, 01:08 AMDriavnaIMO looks like SE plan is to allow cross duty/party finder between data-centers at some point in the future. Will be like macro servers but without merges so everyone can keep their house and names.Quote:
Originally Posted by BambooShoo
At least is the next logical step. -
03-01-2019, 06:07 PMMansionBambooShoo did not reply so I willQuote:
Originally Posted by linay
Yes : we had instanced areas on Lochs and I think other SB areas (the Ruby sea I think but I don't remember well).
Yes Raubahn was a problem. So was the instance on the island on 4.2, the alphinaud instance on 4.3 on launch day.
We do have congestion, so it makes sense to split DC for the sake of congestion.
Now it's a big chunk of EU population separated, so we can't tell how it will be in terms of population before the split lands. We will see :) -
03-01-2019, 08:28 PMLegion88Yes: We also had login queues between 10k to 25k in the early access period and the first week of Stormblood. Also people got kicked out of the queues due to overflowing the lobby server.Quote:
Originally Posted by linay
EU also had instanced areas in 4.0 which got erased with 4.01 i think and shortly after reintroduced for the Lochs.Quote:
Originally Posted by linay
Meanwhile the population on the EU datacenter wakes up from its hiatus and beginns preparing for Shadowbringers and the free starter edition from twitch prime flooded us with new players already "congesting" prefered worlds. -
03-01-2019, 11:46 PMMetalwrathThere are 24 American worlds.Your playerbase is only double that of EU and we have 10 worlds and considering the fact that out of your server population Balmung is completly congested making up a good portion of those numbers i would say that EU worlds are probably more evenly populated than the US ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by BambooShoo
We've also seen a large spike in player base on a lot of EU servers since the WOW refugees came here in droves at Winter.A lot of those accounts will have caught up to current content by expansion release so this will replace any 'void' left in duty finder by spilitting the data centre.
There's also the fact that Eurekas release took out duty finder for 3 days here in EU where it only badly affected US data centre for half a day.
This should be an obvious indication that EU data centre is under more strain than others. -
03-02-2019, 12:23 AMBarraindMore evenly populated than Crystal (ir anywhere Balmung + any small servers are), but thats why people are really worried about Crystal on the NA side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalwrath
As of January:
Server / Relevant PoP / total PoP (Organized this way for highlighting where servers contribute to the "we dont want patch day instance issues" problem)
And together in one List:Code:(NA-C) Balmung 9.700 18.511
(NA-A) Gilgamesh 7.839 12.542
(NA-P) Leviathan 7.265 11.743
(NA-A) Cactuar 7.021 11.761
(NA-P) Excalibur 6.178 9.688
(NA-P) Behemoth 6.155 10.526
(NA-C) Mateus 6.149 14.854
(NA-P) Hyperion 6.106 9.825
(NA-A) Sargatanas 6.012 10.135
(NA-A) Faerie 5.980 10.353
(NA-P) Ultros 5.868 10.128
(NA-A) Jenova 5.657 10.891
(NA-A) Midgardsormr 5.196 10.186
(NA-P) Lamia 5.182 9.727
(NA-C) Diabolos 5.120 9.724
(NA-P) Famfrit 5.046 11.498
(NA-A) Siren 5.087 10.664
(NA-P) Exodus 4.837 10.678
(NA-A) Adamantoise 4.789 9.330
(NA-C) Malboro 4.775 9.489
(NA-C) Coeurl 4.657 9.392
(NA-C) Brynhildr 4.625 9.431
(NA-C) Zalera 4.311 9.207
(NA-C) Goblin 4.057 9.403
(EU-H) Ragnarok 7.109 11.495
(EU-L) Shiva 6.900 11.361
(EU-H) Cerberus 6.745 11.104
(EU-L) Phoenix 6.621 10.975
(EU-H) Moogle 6.429 10.990
(EU-L) Odin 6.374 10.579
(EU-L) Zodiark 5.727 12.246
(EU-L) Lich 5.264 10.361
(EU-H) Omega 5.129 10.336
(EU-H) Louisoix 4.391 10.867
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(NA-C) Balmung 9.700 18.511
(NA-A) Gilgamesh 7.839 12.542
(NA-P) Leviathan 7.265 11.743
(EU-H) Ragnarok 7.109 11.495
(NA-A) Cactuar 7.021 11.761
(EU-L) Shiva 6.900 11.361
(EU-H) Cerberus 6.745 11.104
(EU-L) Phoenix 6.621 10.975
(EU-H) Moogle 6.429 10.990
(EU-L) Odin 6.374 10.579
(NA-P) Excalibur 6.178 9.688
(NA-P) Behemoth 6.155 10.526
(NA-C) Mateus 6.149 14.854
(NA-P) Hyperion 6.106 9.825
(NA-A) Sargatanas 6.012 10.135
(NA-A) Faerie 5.980 10.353
(NA-P) Ultros 5.868 10.128
(EU-L) Zodiark 5.727 12.246
(NA-A) Jenova 5.657 10.891
(EU-L) Lich 5.264 10.361
(NA-A) Midgardsormr 5.196 10.186
(NA-P) Lamia 5.182 9.727
(EU-H) Omega 5.129 10.336
(NA-C) Diabolos 5.120 9.724
(NA-P) Famfrit 5.046 11.498
(NA-A) Siren 5.087 10.664
(NA-P) Exodus 4.837 10.678
(NA-A) Adamantoise 4.789 9.330
(NA-C) Malboro 4.775 9.489
(NA-C) Coeurl 4.657 9.392
(NA-C) Brynhildr 4.625 9.431
(EU-H) Louisoix 4.391 10.867
(NA-C) Zalera 4.311 9.207
(NA-C) Goblin 4.057 9.403
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03-02-2019, 12:41 AMBarraindOf the 34 total servers:Code:
Datacenter / Active / total
Aether 47.581 85.862
Primal 46,637 83,813
Crystal 43,394 90,011
Light 30,886 55,522
Chaos 29,803 54,792
Top 25%: 1 Crystal, 2 Aether, 1 Primal, 2 Light, 2 Chaos
Second 25%: 1 Crystal, 2 Aether, 4 Primal. 1 Light, 1 Chaos
Third 25%: 1 Crystal, 3 Aether, 2 Primal, 2 Light, 1 Chaos
Bottom 25%: 5 Crystal, 1 Aether, 1 Primal, 0 Light, 1 Chaos
Crystal says please halp. -
03-02-2019, 12:48 AMMetalwrathId imagine also that roleplayers spend a lot less time in duty finder making the issue even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraind
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03-02-2019, 12:57 AMBarraind
Crystal's representation in Eureka instances and Party Finder for EX runs is SIGNIFICANTLY below Aether (its about 3.5:1 based on my tracking this stuff for the last few weeks). Cant speak for the two its picking up from Primal.
I still dont get the need to split the EU datacenter and how they picked the Crystal servers...
If anything, the new EU servers could have gone to handling instance load issues where needed and kept it together. Those are two exceptionally small datacenters unless they've secretly been working on Cross-datacenter Party/duty finder, which would be the BEST news possible at this point for the EU and Crystal. -
03-02-2019, 02:09 AMLeticroYou can visit another world and stay there with no timer. They've already talked about how you can log off in another world and if you log back in much later, you'll still be in that world. You just can't use retainers and attend EBs in different worlds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurando
As for the split, I was okay with it until the realization that we're getting moved to the data center that has less than half the raid clears as servers staying on Aether or Primal. Clearing high level content will be much harder on Crystal if the population of people able to clear the content is so low.
If I move back to Primal however, I lose the limited large housing I worked so hard to get. All the people that say you can just buy a house again, they've probably never tried to obtain a large plot. Large plots are never available because of how high the demand for them are. If there was a server where large plots are open, I would happily transfer to that server.
If the decision was a personal thing, then whatever, but my EB partner recently came and settled in my house only to find we're getting cut off from the raid data centers. She is deciding whether to make an alt to still easily clear content with or just keep transferring back and forth between data centers, which is either a pain to maintain 2 accounts, or a dumb unnecessary cost to keep transfering. -
03-02-2019, 02:34 AMlinayHow is goblin some of the least populated when it just got bumped off the preferred worlds list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraind
As they said at fan fest, they want balmung to use world visit and spread among the other servers. Aside from mateus and goblin, all the other not-balmung servers are preferred as of now, which is perfect for people to visit (except lately all the preferred servers have been congested several times). I'm also thinking that crystal will be used to dump new players in assuming they don't change from the default data center that they get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barraind
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03-02-2019, 02:46 AMMetalwrathActually i think likely it will become the roleplay data centre.From what ive been hearing most crystal data centre raiders plan on jumping to another data centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by linay
With the fact that the 2 biggest rp servers are lumped together in df i wouldnt be suprised to see the other worlds start to fill with rper's aswell .
Personally im just happy that Moogle world wont be on my data centre anymore.This has been a personal wish of mine for years now. -
03-02-2019, 03:07 AMBarraindCoeurl is one of the smaller servers (though more active for its size than average) and as of last night, had 0 large, 0 medium and 14 small houses available (all at max cost). I cant imagine any servers with 1.5x as many people having ANY houses open, let alone larges.Quote:
If I move back to Primal however, I lose the limited large housing I worked so hard to get. All the people that say you can just buy a house again, they've probably never tried to obtain a large plot. Large plots are never available because of how high the demand for them are
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03-02-2019, 05:46 AMTakamorisan
They are just adding servers in the same place or they plan to put this new server a in a new physical location?
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03-02-2019, 05:53 AMAraminaSame physical location.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takamorisan
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03-02-2019, 05:56 AMSendohJinsame place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takamorisan
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03-02-2019, 06:12 AM347SPECTREThey're breaking out another server rack with like 5 physical servers, the rest of it is switches/routers and Virtual machines. Probably more servers if they use blade servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takamorisan
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03-02-2019, 11:08 AMRognarB
It would probably kill them to host one NA data center on the east coast so that people living there arent getting cucked out of playing high level mch, nin and brd.
Oddly enough Eureka seems to have no issue allowing double weaving and its usually a lagfest.