My Long Overdue Eureka Topic

When Eureka first launched I got to around level 8 before giving up with the whole thing, and nothing I read about it since has made me regret my decision.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

...ff8 is my favorite final & that's because I think 8 got the most realistic storyline of them all.

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Which realistic part? The

We're all from the same orphange and we just all forgot!

part? Or the

Lost in Spaaaaaaaaaaaace

part? Or maybe it was the

Laguna/Squall Rinoa/Rain/Ultimecia

brain hemorrhaging part?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think FF8 was trash. But it was the weakest mainline FF. Bear in mind, you also have FF15 to contend with now for realism.

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Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

Except that people still run PotD to level, there will always be sprouts who will run it, sure it will be slower without a more dedicated party but still doable. Can't quite say the same about Eureka's relics.

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My DRK alt waiting for three hours to no avail for 91-100 proves you wrong. If it isn't 1-10 or 51-60, good luck getting it to pop. As an aside, this was from 5-9pm EST, during prime time.

Great posts and I agree with everything in it. They imo made a big mistake by having to need each former part of Eureka for the next one. Even if the last one will be the best content ever in the game (and I doubt this), people like me, that have even stopped at Anemos would still need to go through all the other parts to get there. And then the question remains: For what?

Seemingly SEs answer for people not wanting to do this even with a relic behind it: Put huge amount of other carrots in it (with horrible RNG) so that people need to run it or get poor if they buy it from the MB. For me this just shows that even they dont feel confident anymore in this because if the content itself is fun for most, then the relic, armor and maybe some nostalgic items from FF11 should be enough. But instead we got quite some TT cards, two mounts, several pets, bardings, housing items and more..these items really feel like they want to "force" us into this. (Like getting all the TT cards was not RNG and grindy enough)

And seeing some reviews of Pyros nothing really changed. We right now only see and know of one new system (Logos actions) and other than that its still more of the same. No quests no nothing, so it feels like they dont change things at all. I feel like the last Eureka will only have those over world dungeons and again nothing else. And this is imo bad, because that is the end product of at least 17 months of work. One system that is kinda useless anyway since you need just to stack the items in certain places and now the Logos system that seems so complicated for something that is probably Eureka only. They could have just given people a certain amount of skills and give us more to do in the zone, instead they focused more on such gimmicks, that dont help much if the rest is not fun..

I definitely agree that Pagos was a big step in the wrong direction for Eureka. It does, indeed, feel like the Devs saw the way folks were handling Anemos and said to themselves, "The players aren't having fun the way we want them to! We will FORCE them to play the content as intended!" I agree, as well, that Pagos wasn't as gorgeous as Anemos was, but it's certainly not ugly.

The fact that relic weapons are a grueling grind to get - that, I don't have a problem with. It was what I was expecting from Relics. I did two in ARR, and hated myself so much for doing three in HW that I vowed to do only one in SB - and doing one was just about the correct level of effort that I was looking for. I don't feel as though SE should feel any obligation to cater to folks who want to make four, six, or more Relics; those folks should know from previous expansions what they're in for (at least, if they did them when the content was fresh, and not when the Relic process was nerfed into practically nothing).

The fact that Pagos feelies are also a grueling grind to get, I'm less comfortable with. The hoops a player has to jump through to collect a nostalgic, beloved eyesore like the O-Hat is simply obnoxious.

A lot of people had problems with Anemos, but I wasn't one of them. My only beef was the lack of elemental level sync, as it meant that I'd never be able to help my buddies (who don't play as voraciously as I do) with the content - and, as a result, they gave the content a pass. Pagos, I still managed to enjoy, even at its worst, but I could sure see why folks would be frustrated by it.

As for Pyros...

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

So Pyros is indeed bad, it is sounding like

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Only if that's the verdict you're searching for. Folks in the So, how is Pyros? thread who actually bother to write more than a short sentence seem to be indicating that it's a step up from Pagos. The worst criticism I've seen so far is that the monsters are ridiculously densely packed - which can actually be a boon if you're trying to chain them. Some players are comparing the layout of the map favorably to Anemos.

While I've yet to try the new content myself, I'm cautiously optimistic. It's a shame that Pagos is still in the way of folks who want to participate, but even Pagos isn't quite as bad as it used to be.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

The fact that relic weapons are a grueling grind to get - that, I don't have a problem with. .

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Here's why I do.

Relics are always behind what is currently
1) The Best equipment in the game (raids At 405)
2) Tome equipment (390 weapons unlocked last week and Pyros weapons are 385)

Why would you grind for weeks on end for something that is outdated the day it releases?

There is ZERO incentive to do that other than glamour.

I'm one of the people that quit Day One after getting to level 3. I've been watching Eureka ever since and I still have absolutely no regrets. I played FFXI for six years and it wasn't because of the leveling system. Give me Besieged, give me Assault, give me BCNMs that take advantage of the game's beastiary with interesting trial fights against more than the newest primal on the block. Campaign operations, Dynamis where you have a whole open map to fight through and you can pick your objectives rather than being funneled through the same path every week. Eureka could have been the funnest thing ever if it had even incorporated a few of those systems.

Nope, do the most mindless, soul-crushing grind possible. Wait, what're you doing? Stop being creative with that train! Get back to paying us $15/mo so you can grind like ants for your subpar items!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Only if that's the verdict you're searching for. Folks in the So, how is Pyros? thread who actually bother to write more than a short sentence seem to be indicating that it's a step up from Pagos. The worst criticism I've seen so far is that the monsters are ridiculously densely packed - which can actually be a boon if you're trying to chain them. Some players are comparing the layout of the map favorably to Anemos.

While I've yet to try the new content myself, I'm cautiously optimistic. It's a shame that Pagos is still in the way of folks who want to participate, but even Pagos isn't quite as bad as it used to be.

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A step up would still be bad, and that is not bothering with how Pyros is locked behind Pagos, which is again locked behind Anemos, which is still yet worth giving a damn about this content enough to unlock it.. I had read that topic before I made the short, tired post you responded to. RNG layers at multiple aspects was another complaint, not just the monsters being unnecessarily beefy (again).

After giving up day 1 after lvl3 I figured I should give it another go today. And today I really did give it a try, 3h in there. For me it is a mindless grind, there is just nothing beside the grind, you grind the challenge log, you grind mobs, you grind fates, you grind and grind to then grind some more, all so you can get to the next area and grind, then the one after that and grind.
I know mmorpgs are all at the core grinds, just that it is masked, an effort is made to make it feel less like a grind and more like something fun.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

Which realistic part? The

We're all from the same orphange and we just all forgot!

part? Or the

Lost in Spaaaaaaaaaaaace

part? Or maybe it was the

Laguna/Squall Rinoa/Rain/Ultimecia

brain hemorrhaging part?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think FF8 was trash. But it was the weakest mainline FF. Bear in mind, you also have FF15 to contend with now for realism.

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Yes all theses parts, as a teenager, as technology moved forward with graphics & what not,the jump from ff7 graphical look (on gameplay not cutscenes necessarily) to ff8,the storyline felt much more adult with the graphic design & there was an actual empathy toward the characters for me at the very least, I felt like scenarios were similar to rl in that game at times ;P Also a witch, a spaceship & a sniper is kinda realistic versus some of the never ending coma/headaches moments we get with like,go get me a wine bottle WoL atm in ff14.Ffviii is one of the rare final fantasys where i have not succeeded beating the secret boss (Omega in this case) and that is because holy wars were gated behind triple triads & i lost the 99% completed game i had saved with a failure at discovering the third pupu ovni for the card & I also did not use the open disc tray cheat to stop Zell special attack combos… but my point is… There is even a lot people that have seen this movie >>>>

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& most have no clue that the movie is based upon viii (unless im mistaken,,,) I thought movie wasnt too good when I've first seen it, but then ive seen FFVII advent children later on & way later i realized that the spirit within story was based onto ff8 & as ive grown up I finally thought it is not a bad movie at all, I actually like it more than advent children.

P.s: I refuse to touch ff15 for a long time.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

My DRK alt waiting for three hours to no avail for 91-100 proves you wrong. If it isn't 1-10 or 51-60, good luck getting it to pop. As an aside, this was from 5-9pm EST, during prime time.

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Or you can solo queue those floors and get all the aetherpool you need without waiting for a party.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

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& most have no clue that the movie is based upon viii (unless im mistaken,,,) I thought movie wasnt too good when I've first seen it, but then ive seen FFVII advent children later on & way later i realized that the spirit within story was based onto ff8 & as ive grown up I finally thought it is not a bad movie at all, I actually like it more than advent children.

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It had nothing to do with the Final Fantasy franchise whatsoever except for its name. No relation to the games. Partly why some have considered it a bit of a failure. It was named "Final Fantasy" but it certainly didn't look or sound like one. At best it was sci fi action thriller.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It had nothing to do with the Final Fantasy franchise whatsoever except for its name. No relation to the games. Partly why some have considered it a bit of a failure. It was named "Final Fantasy" but it certainly didn't look or sound like one. At best it was sci fi action thriller.

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No? Watch that Movie trailer >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXVOfdGE4o

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Translucid /transparent/ phantom red monsters.

FFVIII CS? >>> Go to 36:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuc62lLk6kQ

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Originally Posted by Ruf

& most have no clue that the movie is based upon viii (unless im mistaken,,,)

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I'd say it took more from FF VII... with a direct inspiration from the Lifestream to create "Gaia".
You also have the root of the problem being a crashed meteor, and a big cannon to shoot the crater impact, etc...

They continued to call it Final Fantasy because Square had no faith that anything not called Final Fantasy would succeed in the US (see also: SaGa games called FF Legends or the first Seiken Densetsu being called FF Adventure). They also had nothing better to call it once it was done and the marketing had to begin.

Oh, late 90s and early 2000s... Good times, those. <_<

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Originally Posted by Aster_E

(see also: SaGa games called FF Legends or the first Seiken Densetsu being called FF Adventure).

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To be fair, in Japan, Seiken Densentu is actually subtitled "Final Fantasy Gaiden".

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Why would you grind for weeks on end for something that is outdated the day it releases?

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Because you're unwilling or unable to get the single weapon that outdoes it? While it hasn't been the case for Eureka weapons, for relics in general, this justifies the grind. Relics are typically the second-best weapon in the game, and by expansion's end are at times flat-out the best weapon. Several ARR and HW relics surpassed their Raid counterparts due to having better native stats as well as customization stats. Even disregarding that, many raiders pounded out a relic weapon to aid with progression through the raids.

That said, I agree the Eureka weapons are lagging behind where they should be, and I suspect this is because the content itself appeared later than SE originally planned. Every second patch cycle, the relic SHOULD wind up at an ilvl just 5 levels below the raid weapon (and in the final half of the final patch, it should MATCH the raid weapon), but this so far has not been the case in Eureka. Even so, that just means they messed up the Eureka weapon, not that the relic grind in general is unjustified. (It's also not too late for the Eureka relic to catch up; there will likely be a fourth Eureka zone in 4.5, after all.)

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It had nothing to do with the Final Fantasy franchise whatsoever except for its name. No relation to the games. Partly why some have considered it a bit of a failure. It was named "Final Fantasy" but it certainly didn't look or sound like one. At best it was sci fi action thriller.

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Eh, they had a few nods to Final Fantasy in there. Collect the Elemental McGuffins. Some guy named Cid (okay, "Sid"). Catastrophe caused by a meteor. Overall, though, the plot played out a lot more like an overly fancy-pants take on Aliens, with a dwindling team of military folks with barely fleshed-out personalities trying to hold out against ridiculously dangerous aliens. Was definitely a disappointment, even if it was a breathtaking work of art, from a technical perspective.