Sony Reverses Stance on CrossPlay - Can we get an update on FFXIV for Xbox?

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Originally Posted by Maero

I am not talking about other games because i can admit Sony has put up a barrier put regarding FFXIV like i said Ms never ever changed their stance wanting their own servers. They have had 3 meetings between MS and SE that i know of and it never went anywhere.
Dualshockers had covered it at the time and i have a friend that works at SE

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Thanks, if that is true and the case, then MS is flat out wrong, and I support Yoshi-P... However, if that's the case, I'd love to hear that from Yoshi-P that way we can put pressure on Microsoft for this wrong idea when it comes to FFXIV. :)

Just as a reference, different sites have this as the last update from Yoshi-P: https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/...-producer-says

That is actually an old update but the latest the media has heard. They had started talk as far back as early 2016 perhaps even earlier if memory serves.
Despite me not caring for xbot too much i think everyone should enjoy FFXIV no matter the platform but companies need to stop being selfish and adding barriers

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Originally Posted by Maero

That is actually an old update but the latest the media has heard. They had started talk as far back as early 2016 perhaps even earlier if memory serves.
Despite me not caring for xbot too much i think everyone should enjoy FFXIV no matter the platform but companies need to stop being selfish and adding barriers

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Agreed 1000% :) I'm blessed that I can afford all systems, but not everyone can, and when I play Xbox with some of my college buddies, they want to play XIV but don't have the means, and just have an Xbox (no gaming PC, etc)... I'm sure there are others in the same boat.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I was of the understanding that it *is* generally mandatory for PS4 (but not PS3) games but this one is an exception, presumably because it already requires a separate subscription to play. Otherwise why would developers choose to lock multiplayer behind a paywall if they're not required to?

I don't know what the rules are for any other subscription games though.

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This is correct. As a PS4 player I can say that I'm not required to have PS+ membership to access FFXIV, but I am required to have it to access online content of literally every other game I own. I suspect this is a grandfathered in feature as it's the only online exclusive game I'm aware of that existed in the PS3 generation and persisted into the PS4, and I'm certain Square went to bat to say that they weren't going to support making their player base pay both Sony and Square to access the game.

As an opposite example, however, ESO has no monthly fee to Bethesda and does require you pay Sony for online access. Additionally it has a LOT more micro transactions, making it feel more like a freemium game than FFXIV, especially considering these purchases are available and encouraged in-game.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

This is correct. As a PS4 player I can say that I'm not required to have PS+ membership to access FFXIV, but I am required to have it to access online content of literally every other game I own. I suspect this is a grandfathered in feature as it's the only online exclusive game I'm aware of that existed in the PS3 generation and persisted into the PS4, and I'm certain Square went to bat to say that they weren't going to support making their player base pay both Sony and Square to access the game.

As an opposite example, however, ESO has no monthly fee to Bethesda and does require you pay Sony for online access. Additionally it has a LOT more micro transactions, making it feel more like a freemium game than FFXIV, especially considering these purchases are available and encouraged in-game.

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f2p and mmos do not require PS+, only standard multiplayer games do, from what i remember. tho if ESO requires ps+, that kind of goes out the window.

I’m all for Switch, and Xbox versions of the game. Anything that expands the player base is welcome in my book, so long as they get more team members, more money, and more support.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2016/03/...x-updates-gdc/

Cuz from here:

Of course, it’s up to game developers to support this feature, and Xbox Live players will always have the option of choosing to play only with other Xbox Live players.

Which means, That games have to support Xbox Live only, as well as cross platform.

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Not necessarily. MMORPG's are not the same as instanced-per-play content like Fortnite, Splatoon, Overwatch, TeamFortress, Minecraft, etc. The stumbling block with MMORPG's and cross-platform play is the cross-contamination of friends-lists due to the PII (Personally Identifiable Information) that overlaps. eg if my email is abc123 @example.com and I signed up for Xbox and Playstation with the same email, yet have completely different friends on the platforms, suddenly those friends lists collapse into each other. This actually happened when Microsoft bought Skype and fused it with the Windows Signin, Cloud services, and migrated MSN and Xbox into this PII monster. So as much as I love SSO (single sign on) for non-gaming reasons, I don't want my business associates finding me in McShootyGame2019 nor do I want friends and family finding me in WorldOfWherecraft2019.

(As it is, none of my real life family play a MMORPG, though some play the same mobile game.)

It would actually be easier to produce a Xbox One port of the PC version by simply hitting "recompile" as everything already exists in the game to support it, and the Xbox One is only somewhat weaker than the PS4. The Xbox One X and the PS4 Pro reverses this. Really the only thing they need to do is design a launcher that works like the PS4 version.

But not to get ahead of everything else, keep in mind that the least-common-denominator rule still applies. The weakest console will set the baseline by which all ports are handled, and thus if the Switch is the weakest in CPU and GPU power, if you have a PC weaker than the switch (Weaker than the Samsung Galaxy S8 in theory) , and the GPU power is roughly in the realm of the GeForce GTX 750 (going by passmark numbers alone) where as a top-of-the-line PC with a GTX 1080Ti is 690% more powerful. To put that in perspective, the Switch is 1500% more powerful than the PS3's GPU.

So considering that there was in fact a PS3 version of FFXIV, and the DX11 version of the game can actually run on the Intel iGPU's that are twice the power of the PS3, I'm going to say a Switch port, the GPU is not going to be the weakest link, it's going to be the storage. You would be more than justified in getting a SSD upgrade for a console if you intend to play MMO's on it. The Switch basically requires a SSD (via SD card or cartridge.)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2016/03/...x-updates-gdc/

Cuz from here:

Of course, it’s up to game developers to support this feature, and Xbox Live players will always have the option of choosing to play only with other Xbox Live players.

Which means, That games have to support Xbox Live only, as well as cross platform.

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This is the issue with microsoft. I am just glad that Sony is more open now according to their ps blog article and this should be the next step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Last we heard all the hold up have been issues with Microsoft, the last official statement we had on this was that they haven't even formally talked to Sony as the talks with Microsoft weren't making enough progress. The issues the main issues we have been been aware of with getting 14 on Xbox was gold membership being required and Microsoft having a policy requiring all Microsoft live players having the option to only play with other Xbox live players. As far as we know Sony has not been an issue in this.

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The last time we heared of Yoshi talking about this topic, he said that they make steady progress and hold talks with all three of them.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

f2p and mmos do not require PS+, only standard multiplayer games do, from what i remember. tho if ESO requires ps+, that kind of goes out the window.

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ESO definitely requires PS+

That's what really angered me about both Bethesda and Sony since the game is advertised as no monthly fee, but no where on the packaging did it say you must have PS+. It wasn't until I got home with the disc and tried to play that I found out I couldn't because I didn't have PS+. I haven't played any game on the system yet where I was able to go online without that membership to Sony.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

ESO definitely requires PS+

That's what really angered me about both Bethesda and Sony since the game is advertised as no monthly fee, but nowhere on the packaging did it say you must have PS+. It wasn't until I got home with the disc and tried to play that I found out I couldn't because I didn't have PS+. I haven't played any game on the system yet where I was able to go online without that membership to Sony.

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When ESO was originally going to be a sub game Xbox said that it wouldn't require it to be Gold, but once it went FTP, then Gold became a requirement. I'm wondering if it was the same for PS4. This is long forgotten and I couldn't even find the article anymore that talked about it because ESO failed as a sub game so they delayed it on Console, and by the time it was released it was FTP...

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Originally Posted by Maero

You do realize the main reason no Xbox with this game is because Microsoft has not changed their stance on wanting their own servers right?
No FFXIV on Xbox was never because of Sony....

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It was both Sony and Microsoft. Sony was named here https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv...ps4-1827024591

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We’ve also run into an issue with Sony - being able to play cross-platform. That’s another issue that we’d have to take care of as well.

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On whether Sony will allow Final Fantasy XIV to have cross-play with platforms beside PC

“We had discussions with Andrew House before, but with the transition to a new president I’m afraid we have not properly met them yet, had proper introductions, or sat down for a discussion,” Yoshida said. (Sony’s new president, Kenichiro Yoshida, started in April.)

“So unfortunately we don’t have any visibility on the current stance Sony is taking. We’re hoping that with the transition there may be some kind of shift but we have not had the opportunity to sit down and discuss.”

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So depending on how things work out with the stance reversal it will be just Microsoft left, whether they will want to waive sub requirement.

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Originally Posted by Delmontyb

When ESO was originally going to be a sub game Xbox said that it wouldn't require it to be Gold, but once it went FTP, then Gold became a requirement. I'm wondering if it was the same for PS4. This is long forgotten and I couldn't even find the article anymore that talked about it because ESO failed as a sub game so they delayed it on Console, and by the time it was released it was FTP...

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ESO on PS4 requires PS Plus, however there are FTP games like Star Trek Online on PS4 that don’t require it. The difference with ESO might be that you have to pay for the game itself so it’s not fully FTP while Star Trek Online is free.

Having XBOX One players would be great, more players coming to the game.
besides...think xbox could use more games :x

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

ESO on PS4 requires PS Plus, however, there are FTP games like Star Trek Online on PS4 that don’t require it. The difference with ESO might be that you have to pay for the game itself so it’s not fully FTP while Star Trek Online is free.

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ESO on Xbox also requires Gold. But in the end, yes, if Xbox insists on Gold being a requirement that would be a mistake. Hopefully, this gets resolved soon.

Can we turn off crossplay in pvp. PSN players are fed up with all the cheating from PC players.

I don't really understand what stands in the way of FFXIV and Xbox. Whenever I plugged in my controller on PC, it shows in Xbox buttons instead of PS buttons which makes it clear the game in its current state can work on an Xbox controller without the need for any development resources going that way. I know it's not as simple as pressing the button to upload the game on the Xbox store but I don't see how that keeps a company from bringing its most profitable game of all times to the Xbox. Can someone explains to me why?

The only reason I'm even here right now in FF14 a decade later is because I randomly decided to buy the xbox 360 FF11 wings of the goddess all-in-one pack. Microsoft is making a huge mistake by dragging their feet both in profit and good will towards the FF community. I know the JP weren't happy in FF11 when we came over from 360-no-scope land but I'm assuming FF14 would be a more welcoming community.

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If Micros~1 does not allow it then there is no chance to get crossplay on the Xbox. :)


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