Alphascape Just Feels Out of Place (Spoilers)

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

did you just draw that yourself? why are you numbering players and matches? those would change depending on who won. so you could have Player 7 vs Player 8, 7 vs 5, 7 vs 2 for the final. there's no order that needs to be had.

we don't know what the names are, they don't have to be seeding numbers, it can be world IDs or simply group IDs. even if they are seeding numbers, there could be seeding across multiple groups. in March Madness, you can have a 4 play a 14 in the Elite Eight, play a 3 in the Final Four and play a 10 in the Championship game.

number every country in the Olympics (by whatever criteria, alphabetical by name, population) and see if there's any order to the ID given to the top 8 basketball teams or top 8 hockey teams.

why is Marvel Comics based in Earth-616 and the Marvel Cinematic Universe Earth-199999?

did you have a problem with the Containment Bay IDs too?

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I guess if you think of them as seeds that can work. Like we versed Seed Delta and then Seed Sigma and finally seed Alpha. The numbers were just place holders like variables. So like i was considering match order so like first round would be match 1 thru 4. then second would be match 5 would be the winner of match 1 vs winner of match 2 and so on.

The seed thing could work then even could work that Omega and his crew were seed 1 or alpha. Then they could be in any order cause as you said there could be upsets.

I didn't have a problem with Containment bays, they barely defined the how their numbering system worked.

Chaos was from Psiscape, so we didn't even see all of the possible scapes all with powerful foes, only the strong survived and moved on. Omega was never part of one, fighting him was just the prize for winning the tournament. It is safe to assume our group was Alphascape, since we have Alpha and were routinely called Alpha Group. So, Delta and Sigma were the focus of the first 2 raids, then it was our group that was the focus of the last, being winning the tournament, beating the foe Omega could not, then facing Omega itself.

I think I couldnt disagree more than OP...
This tiers is for me the most relevant to FF14 story line and I'm really relieved that we dont have just another irrelevant fan service tiers. This time we come back to the what the story was all about since the beginning, fighting Omega.
Could they have picked up Sephiroth or Zeromus for the first fight? Sure. But they picked Chaos who is perfectly fitted for the strongest foe anyway since he is the first final boss of the whole serie. He is not the most known or appreciated ennemy in the franchise, but he is still one of the most iconic.
Midgardsorm had to be fighted against. As long as you paid attention to the story, it is stated that he was the strongerst foe Omega ever fought, and the reason of her presence on hydaelyn.
I wasn't expecting a double Omega fight, but they got it pretty fine anyway and consistent with what Omega looks to achieve.
So unless you were blindly wishing to be fan served and did not pay any attention to the story line, this whole tiers is everything but random or out of place.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

1. SE never said anything about FF7 or what this tier would be in the slightest until the trailer for chaos.
2. FF7 would not make sense as the finale for the tier because it holds no higher meaning than any of the other games (5 + 6).
3. The story leads us to believe the above, we would just be fighting FF7 enemies as a combatant in omegas tournament, rather than resolving the plot neatly and concisely.
4. Do you really believe Omega would not be the final boss of the Omega raid? Hell, I'm surprised we didn't get Omega prime with how predictable SE is.
5. If it was just sephiroth as O9 instead of Chaos, I have to ask... why? Chaos is arguably far more powerful being born as a god rather than becoming one, and his place as the final boss as FF1 is more poetic as the final tournament boss.
6. The only one who is trolling is your assumptions and your emotions on this matter, complain to your inner monologue on how it has cheated you, not to SE.

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No need to get aggressive.

(1): SE didn't say anything about FF7, but they implied it via their use of FF5 and FF6 for the first two. They knew what the likely conclusion would be, and they went ahead and let people muse anyway, with no effort made to dispel it, no hints dropped.
(2) - (5): The storyline for any XIV raid is almost entirely malleable. SE could easily have thrown in Sephiroth or Emerald / Ruby weapons wherever they wanted. Whether or not Chaos is a 'better' choice is subjective. You're certainly entitled to feel that way, but it wasn't set in stone, and as I pointed out, SE provided a good bit of misdirection toward FF7. Say what you will about the tactic, but backlash is fairly predictable.
(6): Where did I say anything about my emotions or assumptions? I'm supporting others here, not speaking for me personally. Like I said, I found this entire raid storyline to be goofy to the point of interfering with my enjoyment of the overall content. I couldn't care less about what bosses they choose to use. I'm also entirely within my rights to voice my feelings wherever I want, as are others. Making attempts to shut others up is rude and uncalled for.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I mean, it basically is. Gray hair. Long sword. Mysterious origin.

It's probably more like an homage to Sephy, but that was my initial thought.

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It's an homage to Amano more than Sephiroth. Omega-M looks just like the guy from the FFXIV 1.0 Collector's Edition box which was an Amano artwork.

I think there was a tongue-in-cheek reference to VII. Omega-M looks like a mixture of Sephiroth and Emperor Mateus.

I came here expecting criticism of the story and got this instead. As many said before, this tier made perfect sense within the context of XIV's own story (shocking thing to consider, I know) and actually relatively easy to predict how it was to go down if you heard about the leaks. The one thing I got wrong was thinking Middy would fight us himself as a prep fight for Omega, and not a simulation, but oh well.
Also, as someone who played very few other FF titles, I was thrilled this one finally tied back to the game I was actually playing instead of banking on some nostalgia factor I couldn't enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Kirsten_Rev

No need to get aggressive.

(1): SE didn't say anything about FF7, but they implied it via their use of FF5 and FF6 for the first two. They knew what the likely conclusion would be, and they went ahead and let people muse anyway, with no effort made to dispel it, no hints dropped.
(2) - (5): The storyline for any XIV raid is almost entirely malleable. SE could easily have thrown in Sephiroth or Emerald / Ruby weapons wherever they wanted. Whether or not Chaos is a 'better' choice is subjective. You're certainly entitled to feel that way, but it wasn't set in stone, and as I pointed out, SE provided a good bit of misdirection toward FF7. Say what you will about the tactic, but backlash is fairly predictable.

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This is my point though, you say things like "they knew what the conclusion would be" and "backlash is predictable", but everyone I talked to didn't think FF7 would be the next raid, and the speculation I saw on forums and subreddits shared that trend. There was lots of speculation, some people thought FF4, some people thought FF8, some thought varying final bosses. Most people agreed that Omega would be in there somewhere. There was no general consensus that FF7 was next.

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Originally Posted by Kirsten_Rev

Where did I say anything about my emotions or assumptions?

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You didn't, I did. To be upset (or in your case to saying that SE is "mean-spirited trolling", with apparently no emotional investment in the topic) that FF7 is not the focus of the raid, is a baffling concept, because it entirely hinges on the idea that the raids are going in raid order, which with only two entries has no basis in truth, and is most likely just a coincidence (why start at 5 if you are going in order).

With the evidence we had, any number of possibilities could have happened, and all were speculated on. You can't be upset if idle speculation (based on little fact) doesn't come true, and the OP saying that it doesn't feel right is simple talking from within a bubble in which FF7 is the only next logical step, which simply isn't true. And when the outcome of that upset is to say SE is wrong, when actually your speculation was wrong, of course I'm going to call you out on it (not being agressive, just making a point).

The conclusion among my circle of friends was that FF7 was unlikely because they wouldn't want to have Sephiroth as anything but a final boss which wouldn't happen since Omega kind of had to be the final boss of the raid tier. The only way we would see FF7 in the tier is if they put something like Emerald/Ruby Weapon was the general conclusion.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I think there was a tongue-in-cheek reference to VII. Omega-M looks like a mixture of Sephiroth and Emperor Mateus.

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I didn't get that feeling at all. I just saw him as a generic Yoshitaka Amano hero.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I didn't get that feeling at all. I just saw him as a generic Yoshitaka Amano hero.

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As I pointed out earlier, Omega-M is literally on the box of the FFXIV 1.0 Collector's Edition. It's art by Amano. People saying that it's related to Sephiroth are wrong aside from the fact that Amano did the art for both so there's similarities that way.

I assume Omega-F was designed to fit with the Omega-M aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by IsuzuSento

As I pointed out earlier, Omega-M is literally on the box of the FFXIV 1.0 Collector's Edition. It's art by Amano. People saying that it's related to Sephiroth are wrong aside from the fact that Amano did the art for both so there's similarities that way.

I assume Omega-F was designed to fit with the Omega-M aesthetic.

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Oh, that is indeed him. Thanks for pointing that out. I knew it looked like an Amano character, just didn't know it was that one. Never saw that box art.

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Originally Posted by Quinaeats

Oh I am aware, I am not sure why the first two turns are lumps of characters from particular games, and then the third turn is a hodgepodge of random bosses with a touch of original flair at the end.

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Because Omega is a strong independent interdimensional machine and it need no consistency!

Honestly? I'm glad they went (mostly) original for Alphascape. FFVII fans are spoiled enough by SE already as it is.

honestly the only good thing about 7 was sephiroth

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Originally Posted by Quinaeats

It feels wrong. Why go do the former omega raids in numerical order (Delta was bosses from V, Sigma was bosses from VI), and then there is Alpha with the Final Fantasy I final boss, Midgardsormr from FFIV (even though XIV has its own Midgardsormr..), Omega from FFV, and finally some random humanoid named Omega-M.

Honestly they could have done something with VII. Not even asking for Sephiroth and Jenova here.. Just something like Emerald, Ruby, Diamond, and then Omega weapon.

Getting sick of SE withholding VII content just because they reserve it for when they are looking to hype something.

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honestly 7 was a hot mess the story was meh at best the only good thing to come from 7 was sephiroth and SE knows it all of the ff7 kids are spoiled as all can be fact of the matter and no matter what website you look at the best game in the series as far as storyline was ff6

You might think you want sephiroth but you do not. He would be one shotting everyone like they are trash and swing his sword would 1 hit everyone infront of him

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Originally Posted by Quinaeats

It feels wrong. Why go do the former omega raids in numerical order (Delta was bosses from V, Sigma was bosses from VI), and then there is Alpha with the Final Fantasy I final boss, Midgardsormr from FFIV (even though XIV has its own Midgardsormr..), Omega from FFV, and finally some random humanoid named Omega-M.

Honestly they could have done something with VII. Not even asking for Sephiroth and Jenova here.. Just something like Emerald, Ruby, Diamond, and then Omega weapon.

Getting sick of SE withholding VII content just because they reserve it for when they are looking to hype something.

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Originally Posted by Kirsten_Rev

No need to get aggressive.

(1): SE didn't say anything about FF7, but they implied it via their use of FF5 and FF6 for the first two. They knew what the likely conclusion would be, and they went ahead and let people muse anyway, with no effort made to dispel it, no hints dropped.
(2) - (5): The storyline for any XIV raid is almost entirely malleable. SE could easily have thrown in Sephiroth or Emerald / Ruby weapons wherever they wanted. Whether or not Chaos is a 'better' choice is subjective. You're certainly entitled to feel that way, but it wasn't set in stone, and as I pointed out, SE provided a good bit of misdirection toward FF7. Say what you will about the tactic, but backlash is fairly predictable.
(6): Where did I say anything about my emotions or assumptions? I'm supporting others here, not speaking for me personally. Like I said, I found this entire raid storyline to be goofy to the point of interfering with my enjoyment of the overall content. I couldn't care less about what bosses they choose to use. I'm also entirely within my rights to voice my feelings wherever I want, as are others. Making attempts to shut others up is rude and uncalled for.

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TLDR translation: "I wanted FF7 bosses. I am now angry that I did not receive what I wanted."

If you followed story it made perfect sense. At no point did they foreshadow FF7 content. You only have yourself to blame for hyping yourself up for nothing.

A good lesson to take away from this. Temper your expectations until you see what you're actually getting.

I would hazard a guess you that "Alphascape" is called as such because story-wise, it's about discovering who the "Alpha" (i.e. the strongest, #1) of the tournament is. Then this is continued by discovering who is stronger: the WoL or Omega.

Also, as I recall, there were other groups, were there not? The fights between the WoL and the Sigmascape/Deltascape bosses weren't the only ones going on. So it's possible that Betascape got bested by Sigmascape, and Gammascape got bested by Deltascape, then the WoL fights the winners of those battles. Or something like that.