Tanks that annoy the heck outta me.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

tethers in The Enkidu/Gilgamesh fight; you need to run into each other so you dispel minature status and do more than a tenth of your damage. Tether not good.

Positive/negative tethers in Alexander and other fights: stay far apart when opposites, close together with same.

They actually have an issue where they can overload mechanics like this, though. You pretty much need to have the boss focused to understand when he does stuff sometimes

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TBH, tether mechanics were the hardest for me to get down, and I constantly had trouble with them. What I quickly noticed was that player to player tethers were never red, and like enemy tethers, they are cancelled out when spread too far apart. Because of this, I can totally understand that when a player sees themselves tethered, their initial reaction is to get away from everyone else, regardless of the tether color.

I can take step back with this one, and acknowledge that tethers bring different and varied mechanics. However, if there is a player to player tether that is red, please point it out to me.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

However, if there is a player to player tether that is red, please point it out to me.

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As bright already mentioned, Dragon Sight is a red tether.

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

As bright already mentioned, Dragon Sight is a red tether.

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Good lord, I no longer blame anyone for failing a tether mechanic. There are now green, blue, and red tethers coming from other players. Fix this schite SE, or is confusing players your best way to challenge them?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Good lord, I no longer blame anyone for failing a tether mechanic. There are now green, blue, and red tethers coming from other players. Fix this schite SE, or is confusing players your best way to challenge them?

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Every bad tether is a debuff or at least an odd status effect like polar tethers. Every good one is a buff.

I hopefully dont have to tell you how to tell them apart.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Every bad tether is a debuff or at least an odd status effect like polar tethers. Every good one is a buff.

I hopefully dont have to tell you how to tell them apart.

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You'd be surprised how many players don't know how to tell them apart. They'd stick to the other person like glue for debuffs, but run the heck away for things like Dragon Sight and Cover. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Every bad tether is a debuff or at least an odd status effect like polar tethers. Every good one is a buff.

I hopefully dont have to tell you how to tell them apart.

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You don't. I'm not being entirely serious and can tell when a tether is doing bad or good things to me. I would like to think that players who exalts about experience would be able to tell the difference. But to cast this expectation on the playerbase as a whole will be met with disappointment I assure you. That is why I assume inexperience is the main reason why a mechanic is failed instead of thinking someone just sucks. Is there something enlightening you would like to point out though?

Tell SE to fix the effect. When you toned down the effects, you couldn't see any bubble from SCH at all not even the outline of the bubble. However you could still see some glittering stars from AST though.

My friend was like, "stand in the bubble, man, how hard could it be?" , and I was like "what bubble? I don't see any bubble"(cause I turned off the effect).

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Every bad tether is a debuff or at least an odd status effect like polar tethers. Every good one is a buff.

I hopefully dont have to tell you how to tell them apart.

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Problem is that you only know what you know. By your third, fourth, twelfth Vault run I'd expect you to know how the tethers work. The first time though, how would you know?

Some things are obvious. Even if when fighting a new mob you've never seen before, if it throws down a trail of fire or a purple poison pool or something, moving out of the way is the safe bet every time. Tethers can be anything though. Some are good, some are bad, some require you to run away, some require you to stay together, etc. If you come across a tether mechanic you've never seen before you're almost guaranteed to mess it up the first couple of times because there's never an obvious indication of what it does or how you're supposed to handle it.

I main tank, I normally Main tank in DR expert(DREX), I main tank in my raid group. I am the go to tank in my FC... It used to be the leader of the FC but I've replaced him.


I don't hold new tanks up to these standards but someone in DR 50 or higher content they should have a better understanding of tanking if over geared party.
In DREX,
1.I can't stand when tanks don't quickly head to the next group of mobs.
--this is often caused by issue 3, When the last mob of a pull is dieing you should be planning where you are heading next.
2.Don't get hate on all mobs at the beginning.
--Understand that range attack quickly, time AOE hate move to next group of mobs repeat range and AOE 2 times and hate should be set for most of the fight.
3.I can't stand when tanks don't pass though the mobs being deepist in the dugeon making postion required attack harder.
--I don't know how many tank do range AOE and stop. Making Postions attack run passed the mob and agro a roaming mob or taking extra time to get beyond the tank.
4.I can't stand when tanks Keep moving making postion required attacks harder.
--When I tank and need to move out of marked AOE it is a dance. Move out move back in so postionals don't have to keep moving randomly around to keep DPS numbers up.
--I'm so glad I played THF main in FFXI to learn the importances of postion.

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Originally Posted by RaquelleAvarosa

The tank could have moved. He clearly has enough room to move to the right. Hraesvelgr would still be facing AWAY from everyone else. Instead of blaming the healer for not placing the bubble "correctly", how about the tank IMPROVISE?

After reading through all your replies to many different posts, I can conclude that you are/will be a very self-centered tank.

If my bubble covers majority of the party but not you, and you have room to move. YOU.FRIGGIN.MOVE.

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Or the healer could have placed it over the tank. I'm not saying the tank shouldn't have stood in it but it goes both ways. The dungeon doesn't revolve around your bubble.

how often have i seen the AST makes his bubble over the party and i think: "hey, it's just right there, i can slip under it, grab a HoT and be back without rotating the boss (too much)." and in the moment i reach the bubble the AST puts it down and starts casting some other stuff... yeah, i just don't care anymore.
of course i will do 1 or 2 steps forward when there is a bubble. but i won't change my position too much. staying too close to the middle of the hitbox of a mob will quickly resolve in a 90 degree rotation, even when i think i am staying still in front of it...
i understand that an AST doesn't want to stay in front of the boss just to place the bubble over the tank. but when a WHM or SCH doesn't place it over me, i think it's not meant for me *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by RaquelleAvarosa

I’m already standing at the butt of the boss. Any closer I would be in front of the boss. That’s for collective. My asylum is macro-ed onto my target which would always be the boss. Unless the hitbox of the boss is exceptionally large, asylum would usually be the same size as the boss’ hitbox.

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Well here you gave it. You are doing it wrong. Place it so its on the tank. You aren't healing the boss... I'm not moving either when I'm tanking. You saying that they can move in without turning the boss is kind of a joke. You are giving the tank 0 room to manuever and tanking under the boss does result in him turning if you move at all.

As a caster what really annoys me is tanks seem to stay in place for a bit, ok cool then as casting (something with a longer cast time) the tank decides to run off and go somewheres else. And yes there is still plenty of hp left on said enemies... And many tanks do this because they are very indecisive. That stuff pisses me off, lol

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Originally Posted by Maero

As a caster what really annoys me is tanks seem to stay in place for a bit, ok cool then as casting (something with a longer cast time) the tank decides to run off and go somewheres else. And yes there is still plenty of hp left on said enemies... And many tanks do this because they are very indecisive. That stuff pisses me off, lol

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They might be waiting on cooldowns before pulling more mobs

Stuff that drives me nuts:

Tanks that wait till mobs are half dead to pull the next pack. Super annoying, screws up everybody's rotation, and wastes CDs. As others have said, if it takes you more than a couple GCDs at most, you're doing it wrong. As an extension of this, tanks not new to expert dungeons that pull the first pack of mobs at the start, wait till everybody starts blowing up the mobs, then run to the wall. Don't be that bad tank. you're basically trolling the group at that point.

DRKs that complain excessively about stuns. Seriously, just wait a few seconds until the stun resist kicks in to use those CDs. I'm not going to sacrifice that much burst DPS and free mitigation on big pulls because you think you can do more.

Tanks that actively avoid good bubbles that are placed properly. Happens a lot.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

Or the healer could have placed it over the tank. I'm not saying the tank shouldn't have stood in it but it goes both ways. The dungeon doesn't revolve around your bubble.

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Yeah could have, but since it's already placed. MOVE? No one said anything about the dungeon revolving around the bubble. It's about improvising.
PLD could have used Passage of Arms in a weird location and people would still move behind him/her.

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Originally Posted by Cirgellon

Well here you gave it. You are doing it wrong. Place it so its on the tank. You aren't healing the boss... I'm not moving either when I'm tanking. You saying that they can move in without turning the boss is kind of a joke. You are giving the tank 0 room to manuever and tanking under the boss does result in him turning if you move at all.

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I have to cover the rest of the party as well, not just the tank.
I'm not restricting the tank's movement, he can move out of my bubble when he needs to. But when it's POSSIBLE for him to get heals from the bubble, WHY SHOULDN'T HE?
I've tanked plenty of times pre-Stormblood while IN THE BOSS'S HITBOX, unless they've changed the way that works, I see no reason why the tank can't step into the hitbox.
No one said anything about being directly under the boss. I said the boss' HITBOX. Please read.

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Originally Posted by RaquelleAvarosa

Yeah could have, but since it's already placed. MOVE? No one said anything about the dungeon revolving around the bubble. It's about improvising.
PLD could have used Passage of Arms in a weird location and people would still move behind him/her.

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Passage of Arms, even with animation effect turned off, you can still see it. Bubble on the other hand, you can't see even an outline on the ground.

As tank I have learned to identify healer bubbles and instinctively run towards them while thinking "YAY HEALER HUGS".

Sometimes they end up in odd places, though. AST's has to be most annoying just because it's small and centered on themselves, and I have to make sure I don't move in close enough that the boss flips around to start hitting them.

As for stopping and starting when pulling, I usually have to position myself for the conal Overpower as WAR, and as PLD Flash has a slight delay so I usually pause for about a second in the middle of a pack to cast it before I move on, just to make sure I'm hitting everything in one go. I'm occasionally guilty of stopping for a bit before moving to the next pack...just because sometimes I'm in a dungeon I haven't done in a while and I just remembered there's another pack I can pick up + I decide the healer can probably handle it XD

The WHM bubble is invisible at the limited battle effects setting. If you don't place it on the tank then don't expect it to hit the tank. The other healing AoE's should be easy to adjust to. As an AST the most annoying thing is stacking perfectly with the tank and launching the bubble only to see the tank run away from you (and the bubble) in an attempt to face the mobs away.

Edit. I just checked and the WHM bubble does show up on the limited setting. It's the "off" setting that completely hides both the WHM and SCH bubbles.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The WHM bubble is invisible at the limited battle effects setting. If you don't place it on the tank then don't expect it to hit the tank. The other healing AoE's should be easy to adjust to. As an AST the most annoying thing is stacking perfectly with the tank and launching the bubble only to see the tank run away from you (and the bubble) in an attempt to face the mobs away.

Edit. I just checked and the WHM bubble does show up on the limited setting. It's the "off" setting that completely hides both the WHM and SCH bubbles.

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Hmm, that's interesting. I suppose turning it off would be more of a RP choice than a performance one.

My impression is that tanks simply don't recognize battle effects that they haven't played, or don't regularly play. I know when I've played tank and seen anything that wasn't a blue AOE, my instinct is to step out of it. The first time I saw earthly star though was while tanking and I hadn't realized that was cast by the AST, not the boss. So this is more of a visual effect of Earthly Star not being consistent with other healer AOE bubbles, and probably because it's more like Assize than it is Asylum.

The game really could use some better "player-casted aoe" telegraphs so that players know to step in them during the casting phase instead of running away from them. Like casting Cure III is one of those, where you really have no idea if it hit anyone because the target was moving.

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Originally Posted by Azbroolah

What really irks me is when they pull one pack of adds then stand there and hit it for a few seconds, so I plop down Earthly Star or Shadowflare or whatever, then they pop Sprint and run to grab two more packs leaving my lovely bubble behind. Ugh!

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I will say sometimes that unavoidable, at least as a warrior. Overpower's cone doesn't always hit all the targets if they're spread out too much so I have to reposition and swing again before I can move to the next pack, unlike dark or pld who have decent size radial aoes.

Even as a PLD, if I happen to miss something and I see people already popping CDs and such, I go ahead and stop there and let them kill what I have. No point in wasting their CDs for something that's bound to happen at some point.

In fact I just had a PLD that did what you described all the way through Hells' Lid. Wasted my CDs multiple times throughout the dungeon, and told me don't pop CDs till tank stops after I called him out on it. He stopped for several GCDs every time that weren't used on grabbing mobs, then ran off every time as soon as I popped CDs for Holy spam. Totally not my fault, and made me rage pretty hard.