helped my SO with sorting inventory today. FFIV needs better inventory management

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04-10-2018, 01:19 AM
ErryK

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

I see conflicting statements here. Paying close to your sub cost just on inventory space and it is fine? okay....

I mean, if you want to penny pinch, it's obviously not gonna be fine. But that's a you problem, and I'm giving you my perspective as this is a public forum.
04-10-2018, 01:52 AM
Tridus

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I mean, if you want to penny pinch, it's obviously not gonna be fine. But that's a you problem, and I'm giving you my perspective as this is a public forum.

I mean, I could pay someone to manage my inventory for me, but that doesn't make inventory management fine.
04-10-2018, 02:04 AM
Aivi_lo

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I mean, if you want to penny pinch, it's obviously not gonna be fine. But that's a you problem, and I'm giving you my perspective as this is a public forum.

I wouldn't say its penny pinching, not to want to have to pay for storage!
04-10-2018, 02:08 AM
Sigma-Astra

Honestly, a lot of inventory problems could and would be solved if XIV had the means/desire/foresight/all of those fun words to implement a separate storage system for crafting/gathering materials that GW2 had and uses where they could stack to 999 and you basically would never have to pull the item directly out of storage, it would just be used from storage during crafting. If we all had that? There would probably be less complaints as anything else can just be considered a personal user problem if you're hoarding glamour items, furniture, whatever it is that you do, etc...and you need the extra retainer space for that or something.
04-10-2018, 02:08 AM
Sigma-Astra

I mean, buying extra retainers isn't SE's fault exactly, they're supplying a service to the consumer, and you willingly bought that service. You can't willingly buy something and use it, and then turn around and cry that it's costing you money in the first place, you kind of have to and should take financial responsibility about what you do with your own money and how much you value its worth. It's not as if they're in your house holding a smoking gun to your head and forcing you to hand over your credit card here.
04-10-2018, 02:11 AM
MageBlack

Well, Final Fantasy 4 is an older game so I don't think SE will be improving the sorting function anytime soon...
04-10-2018, 02:17 AM
Vstarstruck

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I mean, if you want to penny pinch, it's obviously not gonna be fine. But that's a you problem, and I'm giving you my perspective as this is a public forum.

And I get to criticize what you said on a public forum for the same reason.
If they are going to charge that much for something like that, I better see some results be put back in the game, and it is clear that is not the case.

Calling it "penny pinching" is a bit self defeating since that is what SE does to this game anyway. If you are going to tell the player base to "stop penny pinching" then the same should apply to SE as well.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I mean, buying extra retainers isn't SE's fault exactly,

Yes it is, they over bloat you in items to try make you pay more for your sub then you should be doing.

It is not "extra service" do you forget this game is a sub base model? If this game was f2P model, sure I would be agreeing with you.
04-10-2018, 02:18 AM
Soupa

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Originally Posted by Soupa

We just got more inventory space in 4.0 and more recently the chocobo saddlebag. The fault lies with your SO, clean it out and stop hoarding stuff. Extra retainers are O P T I O N A L. This thread will have no new or interesting discussion due to OP anyway. /thread

Lmao you guys still bumping this? What I said a while ago came true.
04-10-2018, 02:36 AM
Mahrze

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

If they are going to charge that much for something like that, I better see some results be put back in the game, and it is clear that is not the case.

So that's what it is. It's all full circle now.
04-10-2018, 02:43 AM
Sigma-Astra

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Yes it is, they over bloat you in items to try make you pay more for your sub then you should be doing.

It is not "extra service" do you forget this game is a sub base model? If this game was f2P model, sure I would be agreeing with you.

Are you paying for ADDITIONAL services with your OWN money WILLINGLY and by agreeing to the TERMS OF SERVICE that SE has provided!?

If you answered yes towards any of that, then no, it's not the company's fault that you have such a loose control over your own wallet. I've been playing XIV for five years and only have two retainers on my main account and I've run into plenty of storage/inventory problems that I dealt with WITHOUT buying additional retainers. And why didn't I buy them, if you may ask? Because I actually place value in where my money goes which I guess isn't the case for you.
04-10-2018, 02:43 AM
Sigma-Astra

You sound like a consumer who pays for a hot coffee and then complains that its too hot, while knowing what to fully expect, and that it's the coffee shop's fault for burning your tongue when you willingly placed your lips on it.
04-10-2018, 02:52 AM
MageBlack

When all you have is molehills, you have the OP...
04-10-2018, 02:53 AM
Vstarstruck

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

You sound like a consumer who pays for a hot coffee and then complains that its too hot, while knowing what to fully expect, and that it's the coffee shop's fault for burning your tongue when you willingly placed your lips on it.

That Mc'D hot coffee case jab? sounds like you are misinformed on that case, pretty reflective on your feedback with this inventory issue.
04-10-2018, 04:00 AM
Vhailor

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Why not start cutting out items? I really need to ask that I am shocked no one has answered yet, no one has complained about this? really? I am really confused, are people just that scared of player base blacklash like I got hit with?

My personal reason? I like more items. They contribute to the depth of the game world for me. I mean, the most fluid system wouldn't use any items for crafting at all, beyond Crystals; or, to maintain a link to Gathering, would have at most one farmed (monster-dropped) item, one Miner item, one Botanist item, and one Fisher item. Personally, though, that would greatly diminish the richness of Gathering and Crafting for me. I like making Tama-hagane ingots with Oroshigane and Iron Ore. And, by the way, Oroshigane Steel and Tamahagane are real things - they aren't fantasy. There is an element of realism here.

In many ways, this is a similar argument to abilities. FFXIV could also be simplified from a gameplay perspective by eliminating abilities, so that each Job has, oh, maybe 10-15. Why have multiple combos, right? It's all button-mashing in the end - why make me worry about which series to push when? Well, it's because a lot of people like the depth that results from additional complexity. The simpler something is, the shallower it is.

I also think most people don't have unique inventory problems relating to FFXIV. I would wager that the vast majority of people with non-Glamour inventory issues, struggle with it in every RPG they've ever played. Those that don't struggle with it, have no cause to complain. And then there's what I'd guess is a small subset of people having similar feelings to your own - that even disregarding Glamours, FFXIV is unduly burdensome on players, and something should be done to remedy it, even if it means eliminating items from the game. Hence, relatively few people echoing your concerns.

Edit / Aside: I'd also like to point out that, while my SO struggles with her inventory, and while I sometimes sink significant effort into cleaning it up, neither of us are remotely inclined to blame SE. We know her tendency to hang on to things she doesn't need is the problem. She even commented after our last World of Darkness run on the Alliance Roulette that she should probably stop even casting a lot on useless shit like Timeworn Sand, to which I said "yeah, probably so". She knows exactly what generates her inventory woes, and she knows that 90% of it - the non-Glamour side of it - is due to her behaviour, not a systemic limitation. I'd encourage you to spend some time reflecting, too. You seem to have a lot of anger over an issue that is largely arising because you're dealing with a somewhat-disorganized SO who has a half-dozen or so Retainers. Is it really SE that's at the root of the problem, here?

One more edit:

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Yes it is, they over bloat you in items to try make you pay more for your sub then you should be doing.

It is not "extra service" do you forget this game is a sub base model? If this game was f2P model, sure I would be agreeing with you.

This is patently absurd, and it's clear you haven't really played games that actually try to do this. This is a company that has (a) introduced additional Glamour storage, (b) added a Chocobo Saddlebag, and (c) increased raw inventory storage, all in the past six months or so. Yeah, you're right, they sure are trying to coerce us into buying Retainers.

I typically find it very difficult to defend SE, but you're making it hard for me not to.
04-10-2018, 04:10 AM
Mahrze

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I see the metaphor completely flew over your head and that you're being belligerent over something that isn't the fault of the company or anyone, but yourself.

Their posts in a nutshell.

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