Soo.. next Part of Omega: FFVII?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

You may want to re-watch some cut scenes from deltascape. They actually do refer to one of the bosses as a fictional character from a story book.

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Only the flavor text refers to this for Deltascape v3 and v4. However Omega says different:
https://i.imgur.com/xJz8OIx.jpg


And Nero also says this:
https://i.imgur.com/wCXRgPB.jpg

Note "recreated", these are all defeated bosses from other dimensions.


For the sake of continuity, the only games that makes sense is FF8 or FFX, and since FFX actually has a different backstory for Omega, FF8's the most obvious one. That said, they could do both. Nobody said they had to stop at 12.

Omega specifically says 89. So if you do the math for ranked match, either there are 8, 4 or 2 ladders with one remainder. Delta(Δ) is "4", Sigma(Σ) is "200".

If you want to get into continuity fumbling, FF7 FF8 and FFX 's main protagonists all got put into kingdom hearts. So FF7 is probably overplayed at this point.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Omega wasn’t in 6 either...

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It was added to FF6's GBA version, so that's not quite right.

And if we're going to nitpick the difference between Omega and Omega Weapon.

Revised versions of FF1 and FF4 have Omega. Omega appears in FF5, FF11, FF12 and FF13-2, and FF15
Revised versions of FF6 have Omega Weapon, Omega Weapon appears in FF X, FFX-2, FF7(Dirge or Cerebus)

That's not really a nitpick, Omega and the omega weapon are very distinct things. Omega has been generally consistent in appearance in all incarnations, 4 legged robot, while the omega weapon takes on various more demonic forms in his different incarnations.

To call that a nitpick would be like saying making a distinction between imp and imperial soldier is a nitpick because they both have "imp" in the name.

To that end the omega weapon added in the GBA ff6 definitely is not the same as Omega. The same way the ultima beast in fractal continuum hard is not the same as the ultima weapon in Praetorium.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Omega was in 7. well, okay, Dirge of Cerberus, but it is a part of official lore. Had a pretty big role too.

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this is true, but I only used the #'d titles as that is where they have pulled from for this so far.

Additionally, a curveball could be from one of ENIX's original franchises...

Gabriel Celeste
Iselia Queen
9/10 Wise men
Indalecio

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Omega specifically says 89. So if you do the math for ranked match, either there are 8, 4 or 2 ladders with one remainder. Delta(Δ) is "4", Sigma(Σ) is "200".

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im not following, care to explain?

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

im not following, care to explain?

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When you do tournament fight arrangements, usually you start with X number of players.

So Omega says 89. This doesn't evenly divide, so lets' assume "omega" itself is the remainder whom we fight at the end.

That leaves 88 players, divided by 4 per game. Elsewhere in the game there was already a mention of there being other worlds, but for the sake framing this storyline, we're going to assume players didn't pay attention to both the Heavensward ending and the Warring Triad storylines.

So Deltascape was 4 bosses from FFV, Sigmascape was 4 bosses from FF6. So that means these two already won against others. (The developers probably did something like this)

FF1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/X/XII 8 from each

FF1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/X/XII 4 from each

FF1/4/5/6/8/X 4 from each

FF1/5/6/8 4 from each <-- we're here (making an assumption about who the other winning games are)

The last fight still ends up being WOL vs Omega. So it would only make sense for the three battles before it to be the "sole winner" of 3 other games, which could just as easily be the final boss of 7, 8 and 9. Objectively, they wouldn't use FF III again since it was used for all three parts of the Crystal Tower alliance raids. And FFXII's used for the current Stormblood alliance raid.

At any rate, we'd be jumping the gun to claim that FF7 or any other FF game is used. Like if SE wanted to tie in the next fight to FFXV, they could do that and get away with it.

I see. thanks for clearing that up for me. I was not looking at it from that perspective.

FF4 would be the best option because we could get some interesting bosses like:

Magus Sisters
4 Fiends
Giant of Babel

etc


FF7 is very limited...not counting Jenova which is a story character, we have: Airbuster, Schizo, Bottomswell, Aps, Rapps, Proud Clad, Hojo as potential bosses (not counting Red Dragon or Demonswall because they're generic).

FF8 bosses could work too, we have Trauma, Triface, Sphinxaur, Red Giant.

I don't think we'll see Sephiroth because 1) we have a boss named Sephirot already (BTW Sephirot and Sephiroth both have the same spelling in Japanese, they're both セフィロス (Sefirosu). 2) God Kefka was an angelic being that used Heartless Angel, and Heartless Angel was a One Winged Angel attack. It would be too similar of a character to battle.'

Instead, I see Omegascape being the "finalists", or rather v1.0-v3.0 won't be story bosses but should be super bosses from previous FF games:

Omegascape 1.0: Vercingetorix
Omegascape 2.0: Yiazmat
Omegascape 3.0: Absolute Virtue (Calls those self-destructing Wynavs for add phase, and Chainspells Meteors!)
Omegascape 4.0: Omega

1. Black waltz
2. Beatrix
3.kuja
4. Garland

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Omegascape 1.0: Vercingetorix
Omegascape 2.0: Yiazmat
Omegascape 3.0: Absolute Virtue
Omegascape 4.0: Omega

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Those are really good choices. Id like to see superbosses as well.

Im trying to think, though, if maybe Bhunivelze would be a better choice from XIII

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

1. Black waltz
2. Beatrix
3.kuja
4. Garland

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They kinda cant do Garland, though... Probably Necron if they went the FFIX route

While I wouldnt be bothered either way if VII was next raid theme, the argument that Sephirot can't be in it because of Primal Sephirot is weak when there's two Halicarnassus' in this game already.

But One Winged Angel Sephiroth and God Kefka are too similar and share many of the same abilities. Having O8S and O11S both being a winged god that uses Heartless Angel and Ultima is too similar.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Dont know if this has been discussed already but...

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Yes it has, did you even look? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-tier-of-Omega

I honestly feel VII has reached a level of over saturation that borders on absurdity but that's neither here nor there. I would prefer them to stick with games that actually had Omega (Omega Weapon is not the same thing) but the inclusion of enemies from VI already throws that out the window. If this were to be the final tier of raids I'd much rather prefer a "boss rush" of sorts comprised of the various forms of Omega from all the games its appeared in.

Please no FFVII, i like FFVII but let it be alone for once.

If the next set will be the final set, what about only final bosses excluding VII, much as I am disappointed about it.

FF8 Ultimecia + Seifer (We are lacking a multiple bad guy boss encounter)
FF9 Kuja
FF10 lol Yu Yevon (I'd really like Jecht)
Omega

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

But One Winged Angel Sephiroth and God Kefka are too similar and share many of the same abilities. Having O8S and O11S both being a winged god that uses Heartless Angel and Ultima is too similar.

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There's nothing stopping SE from simply changing what said abilities do, like how Forsaken is different in XIV compared to VI. Or how Charbydis (sp?) by Alte Roite is different to the Charbydis in Crystal Tower.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

While I wouldnt be bothered either way if VII was next raid theme, the argument that Sephirot can't be in it because of Primal Sephirot is weak when there's two Halicarnassus' in this game already.

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The people that don't want Sephiroth in here is because they are fed up of VII. Most people like the game, but enough is enough. -.-

I feel like they made Omega to omnipotent to be the final boss of this content. It would be to difficult to defeat him directly but it may be possible to beat him by straining it's resources.

Since it seems so adamant about finding a foe within lore/fantasy to defeat the Warrior of Light, the last arc may involve a chimera of different fights to test out how strong the Warrior of Light is to the point that Omega throws everything at you causing it to leave itself vulnerable to attack.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

But One Winged Angel Sephiroth and God Kefka are too similar and share many of the same abilities. Having O8S and O11S both being a winged god that uses Heartless Angel and Ultima is too similar.

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First and foremost, there is not a chance in hell Sephiroth is the third fight. If they do pull from FFVII, we either won't directly fight Omega, he'll be relegated to a story instance or they do intend to expand Stormblood beyond the 4.55 cycle. Putting any of the main villains as essential chump fights to Omega goes against the whole idea of nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

FF7 is very limited...not counting Jenova which is a story character, we have: Airbuster, Schizo, Bottomswell, Aps, Rapps, Proud Clad, Hojo as potential bosses (not counting Red Dragon or Demonswall because they're generic).

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They could pull the Weapons, though I imagine Ruby and Emerald will make an appearance later as stronger fights than an O9S roll over.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

The people that don't want Sephiroth in here is because they are fed up of VII. Most people like the game, but enough is enough. -.-

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Although tempted to agree, I cannot help think of how awesome an Ultimate version of Sephiroth and Kefka might be. :D

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

Yes, it got already discussed.

And once again: No.

Reason: There was no Omega in FF7.

Omega Weapon is not the same as Omega.

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/O...l_Fantasy_VII) yes Omega was they just call it a weapon that is created to protect the planet.

Really hope its not VII for the simple fact it has been over done to death. I'm sick of hearing about it at this point. I'd be happier with them giving some focus towards VIII or IX at this point.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/O...al_Fantasy_VII) yes Omega was they just call it a weapon that is created to protect the planet.

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This will probably become a technical situation since while it's called Omega, it's definitely one of the series of Weapons which would make it Omega Weapon. Though to be fair Dirge of Cerberus had some odd things going on and its naming convention may have been tweaked by the team.

Again though since they put VI into the raid series (which also did not have an Omega), anything is up for grabs now at this point. I would prefer almost anything besides VII but can't really rule it out at this time.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Dont know if this has been discussed already but...

We had Final Fantasy 5 for the first Omega Part. Final Fantasy 6 for the Second Omega Part... so am i right to see a Katana (Nodachi?) swinging Silver-Haired Guy named Sephiroth as the Final Boss for the third Part of Omega?? If not (because we already have that treeguy Sephirot) Maybe Jenova?

It would be indeed freaking awesome!

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And Midgardsormr in his original body, with Beta as one of his attacks.

Really hope not, Sephiroth is the definition of overrated, sick of seing them every single time .

This fight was not even challenging in the original game so give us a break with this weak mommy-boy and put some good old real gutsy bad guys for some epic fight !

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Originally Posted by Rosalynd

If you cannot see the inspiration there, then i have to wonder how you leveled to 70. They are clearly homages to Hojo and Sephiroth, which is about the closest those 2 should ever come to being in FFXIV.

Also of note, since Zenos is essentially Sephiroth, that means the primary antagonist of both expansions has been a FF7 reference.

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Scorpion tank is really only reference
The scientists showed no signs of being hojo or referencing
Hes just a scientist
And just because Zenos has long hair and uses a katana makes him a sephiorth reference especially since they only share those things Zenos is much more arrogant than sephiroth

I hope it won't be FF7 related :/
Personally I never liked the game and, the thing that I loved about Sigma is the arenas, they are so pretty I was frustrated I had to fight instead of just looking at every little details and I don't thing we can have that kind of arena with a FF7 related raid :/

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Scorpion tank is really only reference
The scientists showed no signs of being hojo or referencing
Hes just a scientist
And just because Zenos has long hair and uses a katana makes him a sephiorth reference especially since they only share those things Zenos is much more arrogant than sephiroth

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Zenos is closer to the of XII's Judge Bergan. Modified himself with powers taken from the gods to become stronger, slaughtered a holy place just because he could, battle-crazy. Little more of a straigh ham compared to Zenos's cold ham but it doesn't have to be an exact replica.

Not that we haven't already gotten VII refrences already: Nael was the head of the VIIth legion, called forth Meteor, and by being tempered by Bahamut was basically the fan theory version of Sephiroth being controlled by Jenova rather than Sephiroth using Jenova for his own ends. Not that the fact that we got our Sephiroth expy already stop SE from adding him in Omega if they wanted to do so, but we can't say we didn't aleady get him essentially.

Is it not confirmed that SB will go over 4.5?
So we could possibly get two more raid tiers?

Seeing as stormblood has been a copy/paste of HW... Finsl boss will be Omega. Unless they bresl2the formula... Highly unlikely.

Too many fanboys for them to not do 7, sadly.

But hey, maybe them doing 7's bosses in 14 will get people off their backs from doing that remake and let them work on new games and possibly make something good.

Hojo is in the game... if in name only... he's in yanxia... seems to be a rice farmer or something

I've been hoping for FFX themed bosses myself, because frankly it seems like there's more FF7 references in the game already than any other FF title. I would love to fight Seymour in virtually any of his forms (specifically Flux, he was a royal pain in the ass). The music for his Omnis form was also amazing and I'd love an Orchestrion roll for it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They could also use the name "One-Winged Angel" or something instead of Sephiroth to make a clear distinction between him and Sephirot. But I agree, anything is on the table. Could be 7, 8, 9...etc.

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I'd like to point out that the bosses of Deltascape 3 and Haukke Manor Hard have the exact same name.

Since Omega wants to find the mightiest being, I think it will be:

1- Jenova
2- Sephiroth > Bizarro> Safer Sephiroth (Savage) > Shirtless Sephiroth, so we all perform Omnislash, would be epic.
3- Gaia: Diamond > Ruby > Under Water: Saphire + Emerald > Omega Weapon (Savage)
4- Omega

I've thought about this for a while, and I'll lay my odds on them wanting to hold out on VII stuff for when the remake episodes start shipping. Instead, I'm guessing they'll go with VIII or IX for the next Deltascape.

I'm hoping for X personally.

Hi Jecht!

I'm hoping for 9, because I want a Trance Kuja boss fight, with a full remix of Dark Messenger.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Too many fanboys for them to not do 7, sadly.

But hey, maybe them doing 7's bosses in 14 will get people off their backs from doing that remake and let them work on new games and possibly make something good.

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Nah. If SE is being smart, they would keep all FF7 stuff out of 14 until they are ready to launch the FF7 remake.

It would make more sense for FF9 to be the next Omega thing.

FF5, FF6, and FF9 share very close and common themes with each other, similar levels of technology. FF7 and FF8 jump way up in tech and they are just in a completely different style.

That and FF7 is already done to death. Really, now.

I'd look forward to fighting some of FF9's nasties.

Though now that I think about it... they could also go FF4 too.

Omega is on an entirely different level of technology as well so the later games with more futuristic settings are entirely viable.

I still think it would be fun if SE threw a curveball and made the next set off either one of the FF side games (Mystic Quest, Legend, Crystal Chronicles, Explorers, etc) Or a different game or series from the SE franchise (Dragonquest, Chronotrigger, Bravely Default, Secret of Mana, Vagrant Story, Robotrek, Actraiser, 7th Saga, Ogre Battle, Illusion of Gaia, Star Ocean, Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Valkyrie Profile, Kings Knight, Kingdom Hearts, Romancing Saga, Front Mission, Xenogears, Brave Fencer Musashi, Parasite Eve, and Lufia are some that come to mind.)

It could potentially fit with the story since Omega is testing possibilities from different worlds and the initial count exceeded games in the FF franchise.

It could be, but i'd be more willing to bet we're going to be facing omega itself at the end.

Perhaps on the way to the final showdown we'll face Sephiroth, Ultimecia, and Kuja as the first three bosses.