GET OFF MY LAWN!!

It's pretty weird that Striking Dummies are fair game to non-tenants/FC members, but things like mailboxes aren't.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

It's pretty weird that Striking Dummies are fair game to non-tenants/FC members, but things like mailboxes aren't.

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Maybe it's illegal to take someone's mail in Eorzea also.

im not worryed about the dummys...but please for the love of gold fish..If someone is black listed by you or any member of your fc dont let them in the house..Ive had to report one and probly gonnahave to report a 2nd person cause there literly stalking a member of my fc.. we dont want our house locked we have friends n neghibors who come over for partys n hang out..but so sick of these little boys sitting front fc room doors yelling for girls n crap... SE please if people are black listed make it count twords houses

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Originally Posted by Beckett

It's pretty weird that Striking Dummies are fair game to non-tenants/FC members, but things like mailboxes aren't.

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It's because Striking Dummies are technically enemies and anyone can attack an enemy (unless it's in a FATE with level-sync and they're level is too high).

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

im not worryed about the dummys...but please for the love of gold fish..If someone is black listed by you or any member of your fc dont let them in the house..Ive had to report one and probly gonnahave to report a 2nd person cause there literly stalking a member of my fc.. we dont want our house locked we have friends n neghibors who come over for partys n hang out..but so sick of these little boys sitting front fc room doors yelling for girls n crap... SE please if people are black listed make it count twords houses

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I'm sorry, this is both sad and hilarious! I'm so sorry you have these sorts of problems. It's a great idea though, banning blacklisted players from your property.

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Originally Posted by Bahati

I'm sorry, this is both sad and hilarious! I'm so sorry you have these sorts of problems. It's a great idea though, banning blacklisted players from your property.

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i mean the first time i literly sat in my chair laughing cause it was a grown man (had voice chatted before) sitting on the ground in front of the locked bedroom door..yelling his love then started degrading her...some peopel i swear

And here I thought "dummy hobos" would be a well-understood term, instead of being treated like some sort of slander...

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

It's not about having people, it's about how those people behave.
I have no issue seeing others in our FC house, if they're civilised and respectful.
Barging into ones house and starting to ERP in the pool isn't respectful.

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It was not it me - the pool was yellow looking before i got there - i swear :) Sometimes I get bored and wander through unlocked houses and afk in strange places, just to see if someone even notices. A few times I have come back to a locked out house. My favorite place to AFK is in the aquariums not the pool.

You are all free to come to our fc to punch the dummies, except you Female Miqo'te Voice 5 people, you go to the reach.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

i mean the first time i literly sat in my chair laughing cause it was a grown man (had voice chatted before) sitting on the ground in front of the locked bedroom door..yelling his love then started degrading her...some peopel i swear

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The man clearly wanted some ethot action. Though I think you are going about this the wrong way think of the profits turn your FC house into a brothel. Who knows might even get a kotaku article.

I like it when people visit my house :3 I spent hours/days decorating my yard/house, and I don't mind showing it off. As long as they don't go and outright steal my exact decoration ideas. That's my personal peeve around housing.

I think it would be awesome if they did not give you the option to permanently remove people from your property.

BUT... they did give you permission to kick anyone off your property (for 24 real-life hours) at any time, at your own discretion. Just click and remove and *poof* stuck outside the fence.
Sure... they can come back in after 24 hours... and then you can just poof them away again! :D

I think that would be hilarious.

Wait, after so many people saying there are against instanced housing because of "i like to interact with my neighbours and have a lively ward where i can cross the path of tons of other players" reasons, you want them to go away and be alone all by yourself ? Are you some kind of ermit or something ? Just enjoy the social experience XD

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

Wait, after so many people saying there are against instanced housing because of "i like to interact with my neighbours and have a lively ward where i can cross the path of tons of other players" reasons, you want them to go away and be alone all by yourself ? Are you some kind of ermit or something ? Just enjoy the social experience XD

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Theres interacting, and then interacting with peoples properties. You can keep the social experience minus random people interacting with property items like the striking dummy.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

Wait, after so many people saying there are against instanced housing because of "i like to interact with my neighbours and have a lively ward where i can cross the path of tons of other players" reasons, you want them to go away and be alone all by yourself ? Are you some kind of ermit or something ? Just enjoy the social experience XD

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I don't mind people "visiting" my house and enjoy looking at the creativity of others. Just don't take up roots there or get jiggy in my hottub. in properly executed instanced housing (Wildstar), you can set your property inside and out to allow visitors if you feel so inclined or not. In WS, you could buy, win, craft actual mini-game insets and nodes for the outside property and allow people to interact with them. We made a lot of friends doing that and sharing the inset nodes/stations with a gathering/crafting circle there.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

Wait, after so many people saying there are against instanced housing because of "i like to interact with my neighbours and have a lively ward where i can cross the path of tons of other players" reasons, you want them to go away and be alone all by yourself ? Are you some kind of ermit or something ? Just enjoy the social experience XD

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Yes. It's almost like there are individuals with preferences instead of a homogenous group. Shocking.

I wish people would show up in my yard.

I've been in Shirogane since it opened and have seen people twice (checking the marketboard). My ward is so empty of life.

So all I need to attract some visitors is a striking dummy? Thanks for advice!

If I had a house I'd install dummies if it meant driving traffic to my place so I can sell thru vendor NPCs there, possibly make new friends. But I only have rooms I wish the public could interact with. You don't want strangers at your place, probably best to lock stuff up than leave them out/open.

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Originally Posted by illgot

I wish people would show up in my yard.

I've been in Shirogane since it opened and have seen people twice (checking the marketboard). My ward is so empty of life.

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My ward has been seeing some life recently, but I noticed alot of empty or mostly plots have changed hands as well in that time (house sellers? maybe.....)...

I have this roe that likes invading my lawn. He's pretty cool.

But as far as I am aware theres no FC's in my ward either..........which would bump the people visibility. Like our FC house in the mist is in an FC heavy ward so you always see people at some point.

I hate a neighbourhood community too.
Get rid of everything social.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I hate a neighbourhood community too.
Get rid of everything social.

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Is it really social if they never talk to/interact with you and only "visit" to use things in your yard/house? :B

I don't know I'm funny I suppose but using something in someone else's yard without asking if it's ok especially if they're there would bother me. I don't care if it's a virtual world like final fantasy or the real one. But that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Jinglybell

You are all free to come to our fc to punch the dummies, except you Female Miqo'te Voice 5 people, you go to the reach.

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I just laughed out loud. Thank you for this. Roflmao!

I'm glad FC will get first crack at the new wards.... I'm planning on transferring my fc house to a new ward in hopes of it being more of a social hub...

Oh God, I just realized something...
This is like payback for all the random NPCs' houses players have entered and ransacked in past FF games. D:

This feels like such a first world problem as far as housing goes. Like, I cringe to use the term, but it sort of reeks of "house privilege". Be happy you have a house/yard at all. If it really bothers you that much to have random people running around the ward dipping into your yard, maybe fight harder for instanced housing? Try to relocate your house to another ward? Maybe see about swapping to an apartment if you don't really use your yard all that much to begin with (this only applies if they actually follow through with looking into expanding the size of apartments. As they are now, it's not at all a fair trade).

In the mean time, maybe store striking dummies when you are not using them. The store room is pretty handy, on top of the fact that (in my opinion) some of the striking dummies are an eye sour anyways (at least the lower level ones, higher level ones look pretty neat as statues, honestly sad you can't get several as non-interactive items). Maybe use the store room trick that allows you to stick items into things, and try to get your striking dummy somewhere creatively hidden but still functional for you/your FC, the only person(s) that know where it is? Could be a fun game of hide and seek, finding new ways to hide it if the squatters find it.

I will say, if you have someone blacklisted, they should not be able to enter your house/interact with anything in your yard, or be able to use any chat functions on your property, unless they make a way to lock a blacklisted person out of your yard completely.

While the striking dummy is annoying removing it doesn't always help. I did that and players stayed in my yard, climbed the walls and a few other things like a play ground. I don't mind if friends do this but it gets old when players do this to annoy you when you have kindly asked them not to. Which at the end of the day, I gave up, left my dummy in the yard, locked the house and that is the best I can do as GMs could careless about others using your yard or house as a play ground. I use to enjoy crafting outside but some like to run laps around me so now it is indoor crafting only or a few hidden places in zones that are hard to find but have a pretty view.

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Originally Posted by Tussin

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Lol!!!!
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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Is it really social if they never talk to/interact with you and only "visit" to use things in your yard/house? :B

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This is so much like my real life neighbors :)

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Originally Posted by AriesMouse

house privilege

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Ooooof course someone would use "privilege", because owning a virtual house in an online game is just like racial or socio economic privilege that can make actual survival in the actual world more difficult.

You know if everyone complaining about not have access to a house would spend any time watching the wards they would have a house. When camping for a mansion, which took almost a year thank you, I noticed just how many houses open. You see multiple smalls throughout the week and mediums at least once. And you only needed to check once an hour since the houses all opened at the top of the hour. Who knows the actual numbers since I really only checked a few times a day.

I camped my house for nearly a year, if I wanna complain because some idiots are using the house that I spent time not only earning the gil for but actually taking the time to check wards for every now and then and we have an actual equal chance of getting them because there is no outside bias. Then yeah I am going to complain. That is not privilege that is something actually annoying that takes away from the thing I actually put effort into.

You want a house so bad, put some time into getting one instead of complaining about some twisted form of elitism on the forums.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

Then yeah I am going to complain.

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I love how you missed basically everything else in my post past the word "privilege" (even after I stated I cringed to use it). I did mention things like: people should actually try to get the system changed, or suggestions that might help with the yard squatter problem.

You can go on and on about how you worked for your house, but at the end of the day, you worked for something that you knew would be open to the public to a degree, so you can't really complain. It's like ordering a cake you KNEW had a certain fruit in it, didn't do anything at all to see to it that that fruit wasn't put into the cake,
then ate the cake, and are now complaining that cake had that specific fruit in it.

The real problem with housing is that it doesn't really take work, it takes RNG like everything else in the game. Also, that it is a grossly finite resource, and SE insists on sticking to the Ward system, meaning people will always have open yards for people to troll around in. You want a house? Accept that the yards are public property as far as SE sees it.

How in the world is house availability come down to randomly generated numbers? There is nothing random about it. You can buy one or actually put some effort into finding one that is open. It has nothing to do with rng.

It takes work to actually earn the gil and then you need to put effort into actually obtaining it by watching the wards. And your solutions are not viable if you are actively being harassed and forced to close your house and GMs refuse to do anything about it.

I love visitors, ppl come in and chat or look around and we have a good time. But after a FC invades your house, spams emotes, talks or rp in /s, jumps on your furnishings and erp in your bedroom or bathtub and the only solution you have is to close it off completely, yeah that's a good reason to complain. And I shouldn't have to put up with any of that and that's a whole different thing from getting the wrong fruit on a cake. Its still cake and givin the choice I could remove it. I cant remove just squatters without actually taking away part of having a house I actually liked...

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

I cant remove squatters...

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It is basically random when a house auto-demos, so yes, by your method of "working to get a house", that is rng to some extent. It is completely random (from your perspective as a waiting buyer), when a house is going to auto demo. This is getting worse with the random timer on when a house will go up for sale.

It is debatable if it is hard or not to make gil. Everyone has a different opinion on this, and honestly it really isn't that hard, the only struggle is just time, if you don't have the time to play, then making gil can be a pain. Just the same, you can't say "Work harder to get a house" and then say "It takes work to earn the gil". I can just tell you to work harder to make the gil for a house if that is the logic we're working with. The "just work harder" logic.

I understand that having unwanted guests in your yard is annoying, but again, you knew this was a possibility when you bought that house.
It's not a matter of getting the wrong fruit on the cake, it's a matter of ordering and eating a cake, knowing it has that unwanted thing in it, and then complaining when that thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth. It's not like this was a change they made to the game, or something that was blindsiding. The Wards are open and public, always have been, and likely always will be.

It sucks that it happens, and I am sorry you have to put up with it, but rather than complain about/at the people in your yard, fight along side so many others and demand that they make instanced housing an option. Or at least that they make a way to lock specific people out of your property.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or at least it's designers. Okay, maybe hate some players a little, if you need to. I'm sure they earned it (seriously, who just erps in a strangers house? Creepy.)

I have been fighting with other players to get instanced housing since housing was a thing.

And no making gil is not hard, but it does take time. And I knew there was a social element to the housing, like I said, I like that part. Many people have come in and sat and chatted with me or had a look around. It's when ppl come in and erp, talk in /s and everything else and the GMs just shrug it off. That is not something you expect to have to deal with or lose one of the only good parts of public housing. That would be like poisoning the cake, but if that happened I could take the baker to court without having to never eat cake again.

And again, there is no rng, the houses always opened at the top of the hour and you just had to look. Like I said, I did it casually and houses were always popping up, except mansions. There is no inner dice roll that determines if they open that devs can adjust to give ppl more options. It is not determined by the game or anything that has been programed, like loot drops. The houses may appear at random since reclaim is a thing, but there is nothing mechanical going on. So it can hardly be compared to dungeon or primal loot. This sort of chance and rng are completely separate things. And reclaim will still work as usual, 45 days so it wont make it worse it will be exactly the same as always, you just cant buy a house from a player anymore because you don't know when it will be open. Which is a mighty fine solution to the housing situation and prevent ppl from buying houses just to resell. So actually it should make getting a house easier. IF you put effort in and watch the wards.

I swear ppl wanna put zero effort into anything but still reap the rewards.

Helluuuuuuu

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

And again, there is no rng, the houses always opened at the top of the hour...

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Genuinely didn't know this. Granted, I also haven't really been house hunting yet. Going to wait to see how things go when the new wards open, then think about getting a house.

I think you and I just view rng differently. To me, it is basically random change. It's how it feels at least, sure there are numbers to it, but at the end of the day, it is still random. Knowing the housing demo is on a timer is comforting, since that takes some random out of the mix.

Also, this doesn't have anything to do with people not wanting to work, it just has to do with people being tired of a horrible system. My complaints are just that it sort of feels a little like taking things for granted, to complain about people in your yard while the forums are on fire talking about how so many people don't have homes. Keep in mind, when I say 'you', I mean everyone complaining about yard squatters, not anyone specific. I will say, if people are actually harassing you, erping, etc, report them. If they have done anything in the chat at all that is against the ToS, report them. Assuming you don't do that already, if you do, then carry on, and I am sorry you have to put up with all of that.


I still say they should make a way to lock people out of your yard, especially if they are blacklisted. Maybe make a thing for FCs to blacklist people too.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

How in the world is house availability come down to randomly generated numbers? There is nothing random about it. You can buy one or actually put some effort into finding one that is open. It has nothing to do with rng.

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I would argue that 3.3 adding wards 9-12 and more so with Shirogane Savage the equivalent to RNG was a factor. If you didn't get lucky enough with log in and queue (or even worse caught errors and had to relog), then you either didn't get the plot you wanted (3.3) or didn't get a plot at all (Shirogane Savage).

While plots do open up from time to time when the demolition timer is on (it's been off a lot since it was started), it is basically an RNG system of when/if something gets demo'd. Yes they get demo'd at the top of the hour, but are any plots getting demo'd this hour? Or next hour? Will they be small, medium, or large? It's random. Unless you know of some way for us to see when it will happen it's still going to be a random number. And that only gets worse for anyone who doesn't already own a home now that 4.2 has come out and all houses will have a randomly generated time when they will not be available for purchase after the plot is vacated.

You know, asking people to be polite and respectful is not saying "I DON'T WANT ANY VISITORS TO MY HOUSE" it's asking people to be decent people, and if your response is "well you can't tell people to act that way it doesn't work" then screw you. Not everyone is a raging a-hole.