What Happens To Houses We Have on Same World? Do We Get Our Money Back?

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Originally Posted by Sashazor

Didn't they show in the live letter what it looks like when you try to log in with more than two houses? If they have that implemented, the houses are probably not getting grandfathered. You'll probably get your gil back though.

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Does anyone have any more information about this?

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Originally Posted by AriesMouse

It only because a problem when people got a literal free ride to the server, and then cried when there were no houses for them.

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Then they bought more houses after the server became active, and bought most of them around when transfers were announced. And that's just unfair to new players who might have joined in Stormblood. I say this as someone with a house. They're an embarrassment. And sure, they can do whatever they want with their houses, at least they've done sort of something, but they're just huge snobs that don't want to have a paissa house for a neighbor. They knew what they were doing and I don't have any sympathy for people with 10+ houses that might end up losing them.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

Does anyone have any more information about this?

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Yoshida said in Japanese on the live stream that existing owners wouldn't lose their housing, but we've just had a confirmation of this in English too:

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Yoshida mentioned during the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XLI that the rules being added in Patch 4.2 will be applicable to new purchases only. Players who already possess more than one FC estate and 1 personal estate per world will not lose their existing housing.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

Yoshida said in Japanese on the live stream that existing owners wouldn't lose their housing, but we've just had a confirmation of this in English too:

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Thank you for the confirmation. Is there a link to this that you can provide... looks like a forum post and wonder if there is more that was said in reference to housing.

Edit: I see it posted in the other thread here on the forum. Ty

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Is there a link to this that you can provide

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I see you've since found it, but FYI with all forum posts you can just click the little blue http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...post-right.png to link to the original post :)

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Originally Posted by PureSteel

I would be okay if people stopped playing because their multiple houses got taken away and they could only have one. More housing for everyone else. Plus they are like what...1% or 2% of the player base...maybe even less. Wonder what % of the player base has been desperately trying to get a house? Its much larger. But really these people aren't going to stop playing..because their other house will also be lost. Lucky for them SE feels the need to be super duper nice and let people keep them. :p

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Some of us have been here since Beta and never stopped or unsubbed. When housing came out gil was insanely tight and on the new servers a large was 120m for the new servers like mine. I think about 250m for legacy servers. When FC housing went live I spent months crafting and gathering as an officer of the FC I was in at the time and came up with a little over 30 million for the house.(large FC, 500 players). The FC master and a few of his friends did the same and that FC house took months to get the gil to buy the plot. Fast forward to now with lots of gil in the game and inflation, 40m for a large plot on my server and I would guess some other servers, this is pocket change now. Those that joined the game later missed that high prices we first bought at. I later moved on to start my own FC and spent months crafting and gathering for it. I paid 95% of it on my own, the other 5% came from a person that helped start the FC but quit the game while we worked towards the FC plot. The same with personal housing, I played more than one char and I had more than one house all bought at high prices when very few could afford housing and plots were open in goblet. Things went down hill when they dropped the housing cost, more could own a house and the lower cost brought in the house flipper which started to dry up housing and flipped them on reddit. Low buy in with players willing to pay 100s of millions if not a billion in some cases to get the house. In my opinion those were done by actual rmt companies because of the massive margins that could be rapidly made.

SE took far too long to identify this and fix it. I agree with some of their fixes but not all of them, some could have been done long ago and would have killed flipping instantly while still allowing for those that really wanted to get an extra house to do so. The price should have also been kept high. The game is a grind and so was housing at first. The places I had were all bought at the highest values and they meant a lot to me and were used almost everyday. When I gave two of them up, I didn't wait 45 days to get 80% of my gil back. I demolished them and then gave a shout in Idyllshire during prime time to give the most notice that a plot was open. Even posted it in FC discord days before demolishing it, though no one there wanted a medium in goblet even with the lack of housing.

As for harassing players that have been on dead servers and had open housing until SE re balanced the servers to use up all housing, it was never an issue and now these players are harassed for following the rules and having done nothing wrong. It is a shame to see that happening.

As for 1 or 2 % of the player base. Tossing them aside is a bad idea. In HW when savage A1s to A4S came out, even the top raiders took a long time to down it. Many raiders on my friends list left the game forever and it was a large skills drain. So don't toss any small % of players out that are following the rules because you some how feel wronged by them.

If you only play for your house you should quit and play The Sims.

Holy hell, do people not understand how MMOs work.

MMOs are social games for people to play together. They're not designed for the social outcasts to hoard houses or play tea-parties with their retainers.

The problem with most people who have more than one house is that they're so short-sighted that it makes my head hurt. Take a moment to consider what the real intention of these features were. Do you honestly think anyone at Square-Enix said "yes, these houses are limited, and people should hoard them!"

So they made an oversight. Square-Enix certainly dropped the ball on housing, but just because they made a mistake doesn't mean you should play dumb too. Try to think critically for once. Don't look at a system thinking "how far can I exploit this?" Instead try looking at a system and thinking-critically on "what's the intention of this system."

If you think the system was designed for people to hoard houses and deprive other people from property then you've failed the thinking-critically part.

I think what really grinds my gear is the utter lack of empathy house hoarders have.

We're talking about people who have no emotional ability to connect with the rest of society. They don't understand why it's wrong for them to over-extend while others have not. It would be one thing to say "yeah, I appreciated extra housing when no one needed it, so it was fun while it lasted." And another thing to be all "yeah, those people missed out. Sucks to be them. My 3 alts need their RP houses!"

The problem is that these people can't even understand or comprehend why they're actions are wrong. They sit there confused. "I don't know why everyone is so mad!"

LOL okay....haha

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

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Wish there was a dislike button.

So you're telling me cause I, someone who love this game to the death and been active since alpha 1.0 who play all classes, love crafting and gathering AND decordating my houses, cause yes I have and had multible houses (currently own 3 houses incl 1 FC mansion) should be punished for following the game rules?

I can agree with people who are against people who buy plots solely to resell them but majority of us who own multiple houses actually use them actively and have them all decorated.

Dont hate the player, hate the game :)

Amen. Preach on, Rin!

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I think what really grinds my gear is the utter lack of empathy house hoarders have.

We're talking about people who have no emotional ability to connect with the rest of society. They don't understand why it's wrong for them to over-extend while others have not. It would be one thing to say "yeah, I appreciated extra housing when no one needed it, so it was fun while it lasted." And another thing to be all "yeah, those people missed out. Sucks to be them. My 3 alts need their RP houses!"

The problem is that these people can't even understand or comprehend why they're actions are wrong. They sit there confused. "I don't know why everyone is so mad!"

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Couldnt agree more

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

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People aren't hoarding houses. The majority of players that have more than one is rare and they typically own 2 or 3 to support their alts. Yes there is that fabled couple that owns a full ward but they are the exception not the rule. I also posit they are using housing exactly as SE intended. SE considers alts as unique characters not alternate identities of the same player. Following this line of reasoning it makes sense that SE intended for alts to have their own houses. Now to be honest most of the player base doesn't feel this way about alts and would be more than happy to share a house among all of their characters on a server but SE doesn't allow this.

What I'm tired of hearing is a bunch of sour grapes and misdirected angst. It is not the players who created the cluster frick of a housing system and doubled down when it was a failure. It was and still is SE. So maybe you should redirect your ire from the players who are only doing as the game intends and towards SE who created and owns the problem.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I think what really grinds my gear is the utter lack of empathy house hoarders have.
"I don\\'t know why everyone is so mad!"

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Everything you said here is incorrect. You are projecting and assuming you know what people are like. I would ask you do you understand empathy? Because what you are showing is a complete lack of it, and a lack of understanding of the situation. You are acting as if everyone that has multiple houses had a nefarious goal. Many of them have had houses for years before the game became more popular and the lack of houses became an issue. If SE had the foresight when houses started to run low they could have added more wards, or created instance housing years ago. If they had continued to be proactive from the start we wouldn’t have this issue. Attacking those that have houses is asinine at best.

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I also posit they are using housing exactly as SE intended. SE considers alts as unique characters not alternate identities of the same player. Following this line of reasoning it makes sense that SE intended for alts to have their own houses.

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And yet, Square-Enix had to go out of their way to implement rules preventing alts from buying houses in 4.2 onward. You can't honestly tell me that Square-Enix 'expected' people to buy houses for their alts when there wasn't enough houses for everyone. I imagine Square-Enix never anticipated people to buy houses for their alts, and by people taking advantage of a loop-hole that resulted in hurting the experience for other players did it cause Square-Enix to step in and prohibit toxic behavior.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

So you're telling me cause I, someone who love this game to the death and been active since alpha 1.0 who play all classes, love crafting and gathering AND decordating my houses, cause yes I have and had multible houses (currently own 3 houses incl 1 FC mansion) should be punished for following the game rules?

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I'm saying you're not thinking-critically on the situation. You're putting your personal experiences ahead of the community. You argue that you should have houses because 'you' enjoy them. Be damned everyone else. And that's why you lack empathy. You can't think beyond your own bubble.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I'm saying you're not thinking-critically on the situation. You're putting your personal experiences ahead of the community. You argue that you should have houses because 'you' enjoy them. Be damned everyone else. And that's why you lack empathy. You can't think beyond your own bubble.

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Well everyone is thinking about themself, of course. No one who own more than 1 house would be like 'Oh! Im gonna give up something i worked hard for to a random stranger cause they are salty and think it's unfair' No.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

And yet, Square-Enix had to go out of their way to implement rules preventing alts from buying houses in 4.2 onward. You can't honestly tell me that Square-Enix 'expected' people to buy houses for their alts when there wasn't enough houses for everyone. I imagine Square-Enix never anticipated people to buy houses for their alts, and by people taking advantage of a loop-hole that resulted in hurting the experience for other players did it cause Square-Enix to step in and prohibit toxic behavior.

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No loopholes were being used. SE don't view alts like you do, they are invidual characters and treated as such. I'm glad houses are grandfathered.

I realy hope they rid of these multiplot owners after implementing this new rule. 1 Privathouse and 1 FC per World should be more than enough. These people are one of the main reason why the current house situation is so bad right now. I would give them 2 weeks to decide witch one they want to keep and demloish the others and if they dont chose SE would do this for them after the time.

The chick above is so incredibly salty, it's hilarious. I busted my ass to get my houses, while all you whine and cry about things not being fair, you should've been camping auto demolished plots. I didn't do ANYTHING in game, except for scout for houses. I've spent hundreds (yes hundreds) of hours memorizing plot #s , locations, timed the fastest routes to each plot, asking around, etc. While you all were doing raids, and running around NOT focusing on housing, I was there house hunting. I've found over 60+ smalls, 15mediums, and 7 larges, within the last 2 months that auto demo was still on. I camped sometimes 10-12hes a day, and called out emoty plots to all my LS, FC, and even random shouts . I even bought 13 smalls for other players, so when I bought a few for myself (that no one camped either), I did. And now, I'm supposed to give you a handout? Psshh....piss off. /Bye Felicia.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

You can't honestly tell me that Square-Enix 'expected' people to buy houses for their alts when there wasn't enough houses for everyone.

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Yes I can based on the fact that they designed the game so that every character previously was allowed to purchase a house. If it wasn't the intended design, they would have taken it out a long time ago (2.1 which added FC houses was over 4 years ago and 2.38 which added personal houses was over 3 years ago). You can believe it wasn't "expected" behaviour all you like, but the evidence suggests it was.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I imagine Square-Enix never anticipated people to buy houses for their alts, and by people taking advantage of a loop-hole that resulted in hurting the experience for other players did it cause Square-Enix to step in and prohibit toxic behavior.

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It's not a loophole if it's intended design. Like you said yourself, you're only assuming it's not by design, but there's considerably more evidence suggests it is and very little suggesting it wasn't.

And as for "step in" now, that's probably because people have been screaming for restrictions for quite some time now. Housing demolition wasn't a thing either until the community demanded it and to me these new restrictions seems exactly the same, we've kicked up a fuss, they're putting it in to keep us quiet.

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

The chick above is so incredibly salty, it's hilarious. I busted my ass to get my houses, while all you whine and cry about things not being fair, you should've been camping auto demolished plots.

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Congrats to you and a pat on the back if that's your point here. Such a long list, oh my.

Honestly what SE should do from here on out, is allow all alternative characters, on the same server, to have access and teleportation to the one private home that will be introduced in patch 4.2. They should have done this from the start. They screwed up royally when introducing housing and now they are finally fixing a few things, which I am happy about to say the least. So no more players owning more than one private estate, regardless of the ass busting to try and do so.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

And yet, Square-Enix had to go out of their way to implement rules preventing alts from buying houses in 4.2 onward. You can't honestly tell me that Square-Enix 'expected' people to buy houses for their alts when there wasn't enough houses for everyone. I imagine Square-Enix never anticipated people to buy houses for their alts, and by people taking advantage of a loop-hole that resulted in hurting the experience for other players did it cause Square-Enix to step in and prohibit toxic behavior.

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SE decided what they had been doing to date wasn't working and made a change. That does not make players actions up until that point a "loop hole" as they were buying houses as SE expected them to in their design. In fact SE, to my surprise, actually took a reasonable route in handling current multiple house owners. They can't buy anymore and will handle return of their plots to the market via attrition.

I notice you are on Mateus which was one of the servers that had plots galore sitting open for months on end. When the demolition timer was running I was able to get a plot on my server within a couple of weeks of casual checking. After I bought my plot there were other smalls sitting empty for a week or so in my ward not to mention others. So housing does become available just not at the rate to satisfy demand and why is that again? It is because SE has a major screw up of a housing system that will never support the full player base needs. So to repeat myself it is not the players who are at fault and never was. The only entity to blame is SE and until such time that they create an instanced housing system that provides exterior and interiors for players on demand there will always be a shortage.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

These people are one of the main reason why the current house situation is so bad right now. I would give them 2 weeks to decide witch one they want to keep and demloish the others and if they dont chose SE would do this for them after the time.

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You are wrong. The reason there is (or i guess we can now say with 4.2, was) such a shortage is cause of the flippers who bought so many plots solely to resell for absurd amounts.

That a few of us bought 1 or 2 extra houses for our alts - keep in mind did as the design is intended isnt the big problem.

There is a shortage because there are simply NOT ENOUGH HOUSES for everyone.

I also feel like this needs to be posted AGAIN because this person's words are just so perfect.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

You know, I sometime wonder why incompetent leaders or dictatorships can stay in power for a long time. They just have to go to the podium and delivery speech of how the country's woe is due to certain evil foreign countries and "opportunist" among themselves. I wonder why people keep buying into that years after years, but then thread like this always remind me why that tactic work so well.

Look, how many houses do you think the hoarders manage to keep per server? 100, 200, 300?!? There are 12000 accounts per server on average, if say all those houses are released, do you think it will even remotely affect anything? Basic math indicates there are needs of 24000 houses per server if you let people own 2 each per account, even if you gonna half that number for "reasons", how much those extra 300 houses gonna do!?!? :confused:

Frankly what they are doing with this patch is not even a bandage, more like a calculated PR effort, and people like the TC of this thread is giving the SE the exact reaction they're looking for. By making their "fix" target the hoarders, they seek to make these few players the "bad guys". Their hope is the same of those "leaders", to make people think that "these hoarders are the source of your problem, and we're fixing them, we're the good guys, see?" and forget about the real issue at hand.

You are essentially try to fight a guy sitting next to you for his piece of bread, and never question why do you even have to fight for his piece of bread. Why can't everyone have a piece of bread. Well, I hope you will be more informed and think things more thoroughly then you do here before the next election (if you're living in a democracy of course). And no, even if you ration everyone to strictly 1 piece of bread, the fact will still remain that the majority of the server population will stay hungry, that's the issue :)

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

The chick above is so incredibly salty, it's hilarious. I busted my ass to get my houses, while all you whine and cry about things not being fair, you should've been camping auto demolished plots. I didn't do ANYTHING in game, except for scout for houses. I've spent hundreds (yes hundreds) of hours memorizing plot #s , locations, timed the fastest routes to each plot, asking around, etc. While you all were doing raids, and running around NOT focusing on housing, I was there house hunting. I've found over 60+ smalls, 15mediums, and 7 larges, within the last 2 months that auto demo was still on. I camped sometimes 10-12hes a day, and called out emoty plots to all my LS, FC, and even random shouts . I even bought 13 smalls for other players, so when I bought a few for myself (that no one camped either), I did. And now, I'm supposed to give you a handout? Psshh....piss off. /Bye Felicia.

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Wow, you're a real pleasant person.

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released? Even the mid-population servers fill up nearly immediately after housing wards are released. To my knowledge house flipping is against the ToS and many people got their multiple houses this way. Personally, I've only been around for when Shirogane was released and had only one shot to legitimately purchase an estate.

There's an incredibly slim chance of plots being relinquished, sure, but that hardly ever happened when people could sell them for an insane profit. How is this fair to newer players? People might even start selling these grandfathered accounts with multiple housing plots for an insane fee. I think it's reasonable to allow players with multiples to choose to keep one, and reimburse the entire price of the rest of their estates as well as the furniture. Ideal? No. But much fairer than what's currently being done.

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Originally Posted by Guaca-Mholi

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released?

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Honestly there wasn't a 'fair' way to handle this without adding something along the lines of instanced housing which the devs won't do because of neighborhood feels. To be honest the only reason I ever supported the 1/1 rule was because I started to see house flipping take place on my server and we've always been that sort of sleepy suburb, it was just getting too widespread. Also keep in mind that all those people who were grandfathered in still have to actively maintain those houses which means that a lot of the ones bought for quick profit might just find themselves back for sale when the auto demo refunds 80% of the plot price. Plus it means that no new land barons can crop up, meaning new players will likely have a better shot.

You're better off being angry at the people creating shell FCs for the purpose of selling them. That's the new real issue.

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Originally Posted by Guaca-Mholi

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released? Even the mid-population servers fill up nearly immediately after housing wards are released. To my knowledge house flipping is against the ToS and many people got their multiple houses this way. Personally, I've only been around for when Shirogane was released and had only one shot to legitimately purchase an estate.

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People don't think about new players coming to the game, who never had a chance. They just point at people who played on highly populated servers that say hey, this is kind of unfair and say that it's all their fault. Not sure what new players like yourself were supposed to do about that when they weren't even playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Guaca-Mholi

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released? Even the mid-population servers fill up nearly immediately after housing wards are released. To my knowledge house flipping is against the ToS and many people got their multiple houses this way. Personally, I've only been around for when Shirogane was released and had only one shot to legitimately purchase an estate.

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I started a few months before HW was released. When I started there were no houses available, and there wasn't even an auto-demolition timer yet. Getting a house was pretty much a pipe dream. You have no idea how excited I was when 3.3 came out and I could finally get a house!

When I was new to the game, I expected that at some point in the future SE would add more houses since the population on all the servers was rising and they were getting more and more subscribers. I never felt it was the responsibility of anyone who came before me to not buy more than 1 house since they were available before I started playing. I just figured one day it would be my turn.

So I'm completely confused when new players are upset about how the housing system is unfair and get mad at other players for their lack of foresight that someone else would start playing some day and want the house they purchased. Either be content to house hunt at aetherytes waiting for your turn or be mad at SE for making the housing so limited with this warded system instead of viable housing for all players.

Also, if you have only been around for the release of Shirogane, how would you know how fast wards filled up after release. There were mediums and smalls on Hyperion for about 3 days that were still available after 3.3 released the 4 new wards then. And there were plenty of houses available on multiple servers until the free transfers happened. I know Shirogane was a different beast, and everything here filled while I was in queue (super glad we gave money and housing purchase privileges to multiple people so that we could get a medium for our FC, though now I wish we would have waited so that it could be somewhere other than Shirogane).

With all that in mind, I have little sympathy for people who come to the forums and want to take houses from other people just because they started playing later. It was a long time before I got my house. I'm sure it was a long time for lots of other people as well. If you want a house from the day you hit 50, get mad at SE, not the people who have been here playing the game, supporting it through it's many flaws, and have something that you want.

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The whole selling FC thing has always gotten on my nerves, too. Back to the housing issue, I'm not sure if there's ever going to be a "best" answer unfortunately. The way I see it is that if someone has three houses, then we have one happy person and two unhappy ones.

If they could only kept one, then two other people would have a chance at owning a house. One person still has their one house, but would be rightfully frustrated at losing their other ones. Meanwhile we have another two people who are really enjoying the opportunity of owning a house. Double the amount of people that were happy in a way.

I do hope the way things will be can open up some more houses. Why would someone demo a house when they can sell it at a huge profit? Or give it to a friend if they're leaving the game? It's definitely an improvement, but still has issues in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by MizArai

... Getting a house was pretty much a pipe dream. You have no idea how excited I was when 3.3 came out and I could finally get a house!...

...Either be content to house hunt at aetherytes waiting for your turn or be mad at SE for making the housing so limited with this warded system instead of viable housing for all players.

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Me and many people have been camping wards for quite some time. Why would someone relinquish when they can sell it for a massive profit? If someone's leaving the game, typically they'll give it to a friend of theirs. After playing on multiple servers so far, I've seen maybe one instance of it being a genuine demolition. Of course, this is just anecdotal, but it seems to be a similar experience for more than just myself.

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Originally Posted by MizArai

Also, if you have only been around for the release of Shirogane, how would you know how fast wards filled up after release...

...I have little sympathy for people who come to the forums and want to take houses from other people just because they started playing later... get mad at SE...

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Not hard for players to befriend older ones, and happens fairly often. Stated clearly that it wouldn't be an ideal situation. I don't want to take anyone's houses away, but everyone pays the same subscription fee. Never did I state I was mad at the players. Please don't make assumptions.

I was lucky to get a house and I want more players to be have a reasonable chance of also experiencing it. Only because I had an SSD, a good internet connection and can stay up until ungodly hours that I got one. If there was a solution where people kept houses and folks had a decent chance of course there wouldn't be any issue with people having as many as they want.

If SE was concerned about offering housing for all players, new as old they would make it instanced but that will never happen with their current server structure

i worked hard for my mid plot i own one plot one to get my mid house i had to work my lala but off and jump to a new server just to have a small chance of getting one house luck was on my side i was boo to owning more then one plot i have seen servers where 2 player own a full ward YES a full ward that is sad