Auto-demolish

OP is confusing to me. You’re thinking of unsubbing... because your house would get demolished if you didnt play for a month, so you’re taking steps to make sure you don’t play for a month???

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Instanced housing looks good on paper to many players as a solution though again most do not consider the full implications and what would actually be required to make it work in the capacity they are proposing. We recently were reminded that personal instances are not infinite either when Stormblood launched as people could not progress various quests that involved solo duties which created a personal instance.

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Only because an entire datacenter worth of people were all trying to shove into a single instance that was never likely built to support that degree of throttle. Housing, by comparison, would be built with the intent to support a far larger pool of players. The only hiccups likely to occur would be during the initial rush, and even that may simmer down quickly if everyone were able to have a house as there wouldn't be a need to rush.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I just love how people go "fix housing, it's so simple look at x game, y game and z game". Oh you mean games with dedicated MMO teams with multiple years experience if not decade at this point that have the MMO as a major part of the publisher and not a sort of spin-off like XIV?

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I don't understand what you traying to say?
Sure XIV didn't start great but it did start with Experience MMO Creator (XI) but they fail then Yoshi and his delicate team had to fix they mess... Trust me notone in the history of MMO has show more dedication to his game/community then Yohsi&Team... But even they EXP is limited like any men...
Btw XIV is not a sort of spin off in SE Eye, they been treating XIV as main dish for a while now. .-.
In HW pre-release they hardly told anyone in the world besides the community but SB announcement where EVERYWHERE even on thos street poster.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Wasn't this statement made back when the game had, like, 1 million accounts, tops, with less than half of thatlogging in at peak? Maybe they heavily underestimated the amount of players that would be playing?

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Does not matter, it does not change the fact he went against his own word and said nothing about it, like apologizing, or what needs to be done till we get a bigger budget from SE, something. I always figured the auto demo was a temp solution but it seems to be going for far to long as a temp solution, no?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Those are two different arguments. Criticising Yoshida for going back on his word is not the same as conflating auto-demolition and taking a break. Put simply, you can still take a break, you'll just lose your house if it extends beyond 45 days.

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I explained why you are word twisting, I am amazed you are defending it.

He flat out said we will not have any system like that, it could be a year for an auto demo, it still breaks what he said.

Or maybe do you not understand what "but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that."
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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

I explained why you are word twisting, I am amazed you are defending it.

He flat out said we will not have any system like that, it could be a year for an auto demo, it still breaks what he said.

Or maybe do you not understand what "but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that."
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Except I'm not. You are, again, conflating two different arguments. The person I quoted implied people with houses cannot take breaks, thus it contradicts Yoshida's stance. You can still take a break, just not an lengthily one, making it a false comparison.

As for Yoshida going back on that remark. I accept he may have grossly underestimated housing given the game's relaunch was only three months old. It's entirely unrealistic to have such a limiting system and not have some sort of auto-demolition, regardless of what was said prior. Does that absolve him of criticism? Of course not, but unless they ever do fix housing, a system like this is needed otherwise wards will inevitably go barren when players leave.

Instead, I'll criticise the system itself, which should have been abandoned ages ago.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

He flat out said we will not have any system like that, it could be a year for an auto demo, it still breaks what he said.

Or maybe do you not understand what "but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that."
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The developers had to implement an auto-demolition system; otherwise, I could guarantee that the majority of houses would be sitting in the Wards completely unused because the owners no longer play the game.

Which would you rather have? A system with no demolition in which plots belonging to owners that haven’t played the game since 2.55 or 3.0 or 3.3 sit collecting dust, or a system where houses are demolished after 45 days of inactivity from the owner so that people who are actively playing can actually own a house in a housing system that cannot even provide enough houses to satisfy 20% of the entire active playerbase?

Yes, they should do no auto-demo and have a functional housing system that is available to everyone, not first come first serve.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

Btw XIV is not a sort of spin off in SE Eye, they been treating XIV as main dish for a while now. .-.

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I dont think the argument is how SE's treating FF14 in terms of publicity, but rather budgetwise.
I have no clue if this is still the case, but last I checked it was fairly well documented that SE was (/is) siphoning the profits made by FF14 into other titles, instead of reinvesting it into FF14, opting to leave the MMO on a rather limited budget.

A budget I'm fairly certain all those "other" MMO's with housing systems are way, way above

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Originally Posted by Lazaruz

I dont think the argument is how SE's treating FF14 in terms of publicity, but rather budgetwise.
I have no clue if this is still the case, but last I checked it was fairly well documented that SE was (/is) siphoning the profits made by FF14 into other titles, instead of reinvesting it into FF14, opting to leave the MMO on a rather limited budget.

A budget I'm fairly certain all those "other" MMO's with housing systems are way, way above

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SOE did same with EQ.

Ive said it before, after watching just Mist for 8 MONTHS, gdi that was insane, to get mansion I watched small houses come open constantly and medium at least 1-2 a week, and that was only in Mist.

Which speaks volumes for all the people who own houses but no longer play. The wards would be full of empty houses if it were not for the reclaim system. They put it in for a reason, I am sure they saw this exact trend and that is why.

If SE actually had the amount of subs they boast about, then they would have the money to keep housing servers going for 1 person but when you look at real sub numbers...

Wards were and still are a mistake, for this reason if none else. They just cannot let it go though. It's like when you do something silly and you know you are wrong but you just wont admit it and keep fighting no matter what.

Untill housing is an option for every player, I fear auto-demolish is a necessary evil. When SE fixes housing and gives everyone the option to get one, then I think auto-demolish needs to go, but untill then it has to stay or else we will have inactive players who own a house, but not use them.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Untill housing is an option for every player, I fear auto-demolish is a necessary evil. When SE fixes housing and gives everyone the option to get one, then I think auto-demolish needs to go, but untill then it has to stay or else we will have inactive players who own a house, but not use them.

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This.

It's already bad enough that a lot of players only have a house for the sake of having a house. At least the demolition feature frees up some space every now and then. I'd definitely like to see more wards and houses added over time, though. With a larger focus on providing more medium/large houses ideally.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Untill housing is an option for every player, I fear auto-demolish is a necessary evil. When SE fixes housing and gives everyone the option to get one, then I think auto-demolish needs to go, but untill then it has to stay or else we will have inactive players who own a house, but not use them.

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SE gets sub. vendor sub, soon, mobile phone sub.
A cash shop with more than 600 dollars of stuff...

It is not "autodemolition time they give house to everyone" we should request but

"Stop spending FFXIV money in other project, and give what FFXIV needs" is what we need to request

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

I don't understand what you traying to say?
Sure XIV didn't start great but it did start with Experience MMO Creator (XI) but they fail then Yoshi and his delicate team had to fix they mess... Trust me notone in the history of MMO has show more dedication to his game/community then Yohsi&Team... But even they EXP is limited like any men...
Btw XIV is not a sort of spin off in SE Eye, they been treating XIV as main dish for a while now. .-.

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No, what I mean is that XIV is a side project to SE. See what they all deployed for FF XV? Yeah XIV got maybe.... 20%? 30%? at best and it shows. SE still doesn't believe the game can be a huge success so they don't invest the ressources and don't recruit the talent needed for this to go to the next level. It's a side project in the scope of things and is being treated as such by the big wigs.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

No, what I mean is that XIV is a side project to SE. See what they all deployed for FF XV? Yeah XIV got maybe.... 20%? 30%? at best and it shows. SE still doesn't believe the game can be a huge success so they don't invest the ressources and don't recruit the talent needed for this to go to the next level. It's a side project in the scope of things and is being treated as such by the big wigs.

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I agree with this. And I think the mindset and treatment comes from how huge of a failure 1.0 was. I feel like SE probably thinks there's no point in investing a ton of resources in a newer version of the game that single-handedly almost destroyed the Final Fantasy name, and, as a result of their behavior, it's very likely they'll set themselves up for a "self-fulfilling prophecy", in which the game doesn't reach anywhere near its potential because they won't let it/invest the resources in it. And it will come off as subpar in their eyes as a result, just like they initially believed.

This is all speculation though, of course.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I feel like SE probably thinks there's no point in investing a ton of resources in a newer version of the game that single-handedly almost destroyed the Final Fantasy name

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And this game has so much untapped potential. It would be amazing if they devoted the talent and resources to it. Could you imagine if they were able to take their biggest failure and turn it into their biggest success? That would be incredible and would be something that would not only go down in gaming history but be a major boon to the franchise and company as a whole. And frankly they need it.

SE also suffers from too much upper level control. Yoshi can say he's a gamer all he wants but really he's just a suit in some jingly bangles. The FF series was never better than when people who loved games and gaming had more control. But now that people see those dollar signs, those business guys are coming in, who have no idea what makes a good game, and just trying to make a quick buck. This is something a lot of companies are suffering from right now and it stinks. I don't think that these people understand gamers are different from your average consumer.

Show us your good and you get our loyalty, put out half finished content that no one bothered to play with dev mode shut off and then tell them its just throw away content that was never meant to last more than a month anyway and that's a great way to shoot yourself in the foot.

The biggest problem as well is the community to be fair. They expect so much and are so vocal about minor systems in the grand scope of things that it makes it difficult for positive feedback to reach the higher ups and change their mindset. Look at the new glamour revision. It's a first step, Yoshi admitted it's a first step. People still complain WHILE IT'S NOT EVEN PATCHED IN YET. That sends the wrong signal to the decision makers and ends up shooting us in the foot. This doesn't mean don't complain but realize they basically made something out of very little.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

The biggest problem as well is the community to be fair. They expect so much and are so vocal about minor systems in the grand scope of things that it makes it difficult for positive feedback to reach the higher ups and change their mindset. Look at the new glamour revision. It's a first step, Yoshi admitted it's a first step. People still complain WHILE IT'S NOT EVEN PATCHED IN YET. That sends the wrong signal to the decision makers and ends up shooting us in the foot. This doesn't mean don't complain but realize they basically made something out of very little.

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Honestly, the only real complaint I have about the new glamour system is that I really hope they don't call it a Glamour Commode. Just because "commode" means toilet in my dialect. Other than that, I usually just wait and see before I judge. I can tell they put a lot of work into it; hopefully it will be something I make a lot of use of.

TLDR - Auto demolition is a good thing, if you say its not, you are wrong. Thats all there is to it.

I dont even think the auto demolition should have been halted because of those disasters (im sure people in that situation have alot more to worry about than a virtual house) but yoshi and team decided to be kind enough to do it, so thats that.


If you dont play the game for a month or two, you dont need a house. Fact.

What they should do is maybe, set the timer for auto demolish if the person account is unsubbed.
I think that might be better.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

TLDR - Auto demolition is a good thing, if you say its not, you are wrong. Thats all there is to it.

I dont even think the auto demolition should have been halted because of those disasters (im sure people in that situation have alot more to worry about than a virtual house) but yoshi and team decided to be kind enough to do it, so thats that.


If you dont play the game for a month or two, you dont need a house. Fact.

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One day you will learn the difference between an opinion and actual facts. Today is not that day.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

One day you will learn the difference between an opinion and actual facts. Today is not that day.

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Its not an opinion that housing demolition is needed with the way the current housing exists, its a fact.

Its not an opinion that if you arent playing the game, you arent using your house, and you dont need the house, and someone else can use that house more than you ever will. its a fact.

(apologize for the long /rant, wasn't my intention)

I've already stated my feelings on this topic months ago while also being a victim of demo (shared house), so I'll just leave this here
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...85#post4113485

While I do believe demo IS needed for the current situation of housing in XIV, how they've implemented a few things only makes it frustrating for players. At this point there pretty satisfied with band-aiding the problem, it's so widespread now and they keep adding on to the problem lol I think we can all (or at least most of us) agree that putting Player/FC housing together is a huge problem and most likely a mistake. And just maybe instance housing would be the best way to go in a already HEAVILY INSTANCED game.

"IF" they were to consider this route, there are many ways they can go about it. Few ideas I've had for example... They could make personal housing instanced and give you your own plot of land to do whatever you want with it (gardening etc.) and keep the wards for FC's. Or... (something I'd like to see but doubtful) They could also completely remove FC from the wards, make the wards exclusive to player housing (with Apt's still), and introduce Guild/FC Halls for FC's to design however they want using FC Credits (Let's be serious.. There are possibly TONS of FC that are sitting on thousands, if not millions of credits with nothing to do with them lol)

FC's really do need some kind of support here because some (if not most) FC's are not taken seriously if they do not own a house. It should not be that way at all and it's sad that some people are actually looking at it that way. On the flip side. Player housing also needs help due to a feature they implemented that defeats itself (in my link above), when FC houses can have a random person walk in and save it. On top of knowing that what happened in Shirogane actually made people quit the game entirely.

I totally understand that for a lot of people, Housing is unimportant and doesn't mean anything. Totally understandable. But for others, its part of the experience. An exp that every person subbed to this game is paying for and may never get a chance to experience it. Unless your ok with just an Apt (aka Mog house lol)

Somehow, someway, this system needs to change.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I agree with this. And I think the mindset and treatment comes from how huge of a failure 1.0 was. I feel like SE probably thinks there's no point in investing a ton of resources in a newer version of the game that single-handedly almost destroyed the Final Fantasy name, and, as a result of their behavior, it's very likely they'll set themselves up for a "self-fulfilling prophecy", in which the game doesn't reach anywhere near its potential because they won't let it/invest the resources in it. And it will come off as subpar in their eyes as a result, just like they initially believed.

This is all speculation though, of course.

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I'd wish they'd dump more into FFXIV and Yoshida and Team's hands. Rather it go to them than putting someone like Nomura in charge of multiple projects and possibly ruining the title due to such a decision. *Eyeing FXV and wearily watches FFVIIR.* Not saying it's entirely Nomura's fault, but SE has been making some rather........... questionable.... decisions in that regard. Why are you stacking even more work on one employee when you have others that are just as willing and probably show promise?

I also completely blame Kingdom Hearts to a degree. I swear, because the game sold stupidly well in the West, it changed what SE thinks we want. I can't help but notice how similarly FFXV and KH play. Both series spanning over various types of games and consoles (well, PS4 and mobile for FFXV) to tell a whole story that really could have been told in one, longer game (in the case of FFXV). Get ready for FFXV 1.5 and FFXV 1.8.

Housing should really be instanced. I don't mean the house is instanced and the ward its own instance. I mean the whole thing should be instanced, much like an apartment, with your plot of land there for you to customize. FCs should be in the main city and there should be a "guild hall" like building. Trust me, I love how the Goblet looks now especially, but if it came to having an FC or personal house for all or keeping my hotspring in the desert? Uh, FC/housing for all, yes please. Give me the Goblet as a place I can choose as a basic environment for my instanced land.

On to the topic, don't really think the auto demolition should be quite back up yet. Puerto Rico is still reeling from the hurricane with some cities still running on generators. Not to mention asinine laws that were put in place via the USA that made getting aid to the island an actual hassle. I'm sure PR's player population is low, so in the end it doesn't matter, it just still sucks for those that can't do anything about it. At least the team was kind enough to suspend it in the first place. CAT5 hurricanes are not the norm.

Auto demolish is needed with a limited supply, as many have already stated. If someone isn't playing the game for an extended period, someone who is financially supporting the game should have the opportunity for that unused plot.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Auto demolish is needed with a limited supply, as many have already stated. If someone isn't playing the game for an extended period, someone who is financially supporting the game should have the opportunity for that unused plot.

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I just want to poke a hole in that statement, because I can, otherwise it serves as a misconception that those that lose their houses don't keep paying a sub. You can still pay for a sub in the game and lose your house because you have to physically walk into it every 45 days.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

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I think their being cautious about the game is reasonable. Given how many MMOs have failed over the years, 1.0 included, it makes sense to to conservative with how much funding it being directed to the game. When HW launched, they were surprised by the level of success it had, and yet again with SB. Perhaps we will see larger investment in the future. After HW they did get a larger degree of funding for SB.

That said, while I understand the demand for housing.... I would rather see increased funding going to development of repeatable, long term content and a wider range of character and armor models. IMO housing wards need to be nearly completely overhauled. More ghost town wards, don't make much sense.