Disable all cs in pf unsynched groups

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vidu

When you set up a PF you can check a box that indicates that CS are being watched - and yes, people should probably check that so you can decide wether or not you wanna join that party (assuming you pay attention to that - would be nice to know wether or not they had that checked and you just overlooked it).
But honestly: This is all about setting up a PF properly. CS shouldnt be disableded by default because everyone here fails at communicating.

---

We do not need hand holding....people need to stop...and think....key word...think. It's not that hard to figure out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

Can you do this please. 1 dude needs help or 7 people to carry him through content. You help out of the kindness of your heart or you are a bonus whore w/e. Then this dude or some other random in the group wants to watch that 20min cs in coils or every damn cs through Alexander. These fights take less time then the cs. You don't deserve any cs if you doing content unsynched. You also have the option before you list in pf go in by yourself and watch cs then exit and then seek help in pf if you need that immersion before you ignore mechanics unsynched and get carried. You can even add you are watching cs in title so I can avoid you like the plague. No1 really minds 1 min or 2 min ones but man but still it adds up to a lot of our time wasted.

---

Or! Or! You can make your own PF and set what you want?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

Well I learned most of you don't read. Go do alex 1-12. Go see the difference in time w/ w/o cs. But you don't join and help i bet. You say tomes are for my time. I have enough crap to do 3 more relic weapons yet I keep joining. i bet it was great. I started in SB so idk.

---

Dude then don't help LOL.

People also use unsync as a way to watch the cutscenes in castrum and prae since doing those normally is a speed run through the cut scenes and can equal getting kicked if you don’t. How about get your greedy ass out of here and let people enjoy the content. Everyone has to start somewhere who are you to tell people how to enjoy the content? Really you sound pathetic as hell.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

So you are saying the new person can't solo or only needs some1 or a couple of some1s (not me of course) but some1 to beat the content.

---

What I'm saying is: don't be so arrogant to think that people need YOU to get the experience they deserve; you aren't "helping" anyone with your attitude. You're acting like these groups you help "out of the kindness of your heart" (good one, there) NEED you to clear. I'm saying they don't, actually. Especially with your attitude.

Your time is not more valuable than another person's. If it's not YOUR PF, then people are more than welcome to watch cutscenes in THEIR OWN PF. Or even someone else's if the party leader is okay with it. Don't like it? Then stop "helping".

Last reply as I am obviously in the minority.
Sure my idea was extreme but I offered ideas as well.
I would never make 7 ppl wait on me watching a cs. I guess you think ur time is more valuable then others.
No, most who set up pf don't do it correctly.
My intention may not always be pure but i help a lot of ppl.
No, no1 tech needs my help.
yes I ask(never harass or yell) if they are watching cs and I stay or leave depending on answer
I didn't realize so many patient ppl. Remember in real life when you are behind that guy at a red light and he doesn't move right when it turns green, don't beep or yell at him as he might be watching a cs.

Final reply, and you chose to end it with a horrible analogy.

Best of luck in your adventures.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

I didn't realize so many patient ppl. Remember in real life when you are behind that guy at a red light and he doesn't move right when it turns green, don't beep or yell at him as he might be watching a cs.

---

Maybe you should learn some patience or stop “helping”.
bye felicia

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

Remember in real life when you are behind that guy at a red light and he doesn't move right when it turns green, don't beep or yell at him as he might be watching a cs.

---

If he is, maybe he would have enjoyed it more in last night's PF party than during the morning commute.

I'm reminded of a friend who invited me over to watch a movie I hadn't seen before, but instead of letting me just watch the damn movie, he fast forwarded through all the parts he apparently thought "weren't as cool"

Needless to say, this wasn't an optimal first-time-movie-watching experience.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fynlar

I'm reminded of a friend who invited me over to watch a movie I hadn't seen before, but instead of letting me just watch the damn movie, he fast forwarded through all the parts he apparently thought "weren't as cool"

Needless to say, this wasn't an optimal first-time-movie-watching experience.

---

I had a history-teacher like that! He watched The Patriot with us, fastforwarding through any non-battle-scenes, commenting them with "Oh, they gonna die anyways!"

...for a history lesson on a tuesday afternoon that was actually kinda entertaining

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fynlar

I'm reminded of a friend who invited me over to watch a movie I hadn't seen before, but instead of letting me just watch the damn movie, he fast forwarded through all the parts he apparently thought "weren't as cool"

Needless to say, this wasn't an optimal first-time-movie-watching experience.

---

Because one could watch the rest on youtube later, lol. :p

I used to skip every cutscene up until the very end of ARR, then the feels with the Sultana got me and I have watched the story since. Imagine that, people wanting to watch cutscenes in a story driven MMO, go figure.

I still believe they should remove the Main Scenario roulette, rebalance that MSQ to a solo duty, and deal with this situation once and for all. The 100 tomestones per day won't be missed, there's dozens of other ways to obtain these.

Or

ilvl sync to 50 and make these dungeons a challenge again. This way when you've got new people, you're explaining the fights while their in cutscenes so you have a better than even chance of not wiping. Triple new player reward to compensate. I kinda like this one because those new players get their hands dirty in some mechanic driven content before getting into HW stuff.

Last reply as I am obviously in the minority. - No I'm pretty sure you're the only one here.
Sure my idea was extreme but I offered ideas as well. - Extreme is an understatement - its selfish, stupid, and arrogant.
I would never make 7 ppl wait on me watching a cs. I guess you think ur time is more valuable then others. - Good on you not making people wait - But to think your time is more valuable than everyone else's? Please... shut up.
No, most who set up pf don't do it correctly. - Most people who enter a party - already concluded that there will be cut-scenes on a first clear. Unlike you who can't think past his own thick hardheadedness.
My intention may not always be pure but i help a lot of ppl. - Do me a favor..just stop helping people..because you are not even close to being an ideal helper here.
No, no1 tech needs my help. ??????Huh??????
yes I ask(never harass or yell) if they are watching cs and I stay or leave depending on answer Yeah...I'm sure.
I didn't realize so many patient ppl. Remember in real life when you are behind that guy at a red light and he doesn't move right when it turns green, don't beep or yell at him as he might be watching a cs.
Again....you just flat refuse to think about this.
It's not a matter of patience...its not a matter of the guy not moving at a traffic stop which has absolutely nothing to do with this entire discussion....because that guy is likely using a cell phone..which is against the law in most states in the united states....obviously not a cut scene. What the hell kind of analogy is that?
The fact is - If the guy is doing the duty for the first time. THERE WILL BE CUTSCENES. NO IFS..NO ANDS..NO BUTTS....NO MAYBES.
THERE WILL BE CUTSCENES.

Get it through your thick skull!
Don't like it? Don't join. Period.
Don't want it in your party? The explicitly say so...do what you want within reason...duh.

But don't push your preferences on everyone else just because "you don't like it"

If your going to help new players...I suggest you exercise rationality and control...and not the metnality of a gorella who goes ERMAGAWDCUTSCENES...you'll make enemies rapidly that way.
And maybe you should manage your time better...obviously you don't have time to wait. This game is not for you if you can't wait.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

yes I ask(never harass or yell) if they are watching cs and I stay or leave depending on answer Yeah...I'm sure.

---

Kinda makes ya wonder if others were watching cut scenes just out of spite due to a bad attitude. Also if that's the case where they left due to someone wanting to watch a cut scene. Then problem solved. No need for this thread at all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aylis

Kinda makes ya wonder if others were watching cut scenes just out of spite due to a bad attitude. Also if that's the case where they left due to someone wanting to watch a cut scene. Then problem solved. No need for this thread at all.

---

Based on his attitude alone? Wouldn't surprise me. :)

This is ridiculous. If you truly wanted to help them, you honestly wouldn't mind if they watched their cs. Instead, you're trying to hide your selfish ulterior motives by justifying how you're helping them in the process.
"You don't deserve any cs" cause of you're trying to farm unsynced bonuses off them? They paid for the game, they're entitled to the perks, story/lore, and any content that this game provides - If they wanna watch their cutscenes, that's up to them.
I'm amazed at how blatantly selfish you are. If you know that there's gonna be some downtime with the cs, go find something else to do during that period instead of complaining.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

I didn't realize so many patient ppl. Remember in real life when you are behind that guy at a red light and he doesn't move right when it turns green, don't beep or yell at him as he might be watching a cs.

---

This made me laugh out loud. I think I was stuck behind that person watching cutscenes at a traffic light before.

It's totally irrelevant though. When did civil engineers start adding cutscenes to motorways?

When I did Castrum Meridianum, I joined the duty finder. It was terrible. I watched the cutscenes but the group got far enough ahead that I was locked out of boss fights. So I made a party finder for Praetorium and specified that I wanted to watch the cutscenes. A really nice level 70 player offered to take me through. That is a far better way to do those dungeons. If any new players make a party finder for those dungeons, I'd gladly take them through and wait for the cutscenes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Baingoleth

This made me laugh out loud. I think I was stuck behind that person watching cutscenes at a traffic light before.

It's totally irrelevant though. When did civil engineers start adding cutscenes to motorways?

When I did Castrum Meridianum, I joined the duty finder. It was terrible. I watched the cutscenes but the group got far enough ahead that I was locked out of boss fights. So I made a party finder for Praetorium and specified that I wanted to watch the cutscenes. A really nice level 70 player offered to take me through. That is a far better way to do those dungeons. If any new players make a party finder for those dungeons, I'd gladly take them through and wait for the cutscenes.

---

Sad thing is...most new players have no idea how PF works. But nice to know there are people willing to help out!

Why would people join pfs though if that person will make them skip the cutscenes? They get that expierence in DF without having to search.

I went into the MSQ dungeons first time and had to rush through it and it was awful. Then 3 of my FC mates took us through it unsynced so we could enjoy the cutscenes. But I agree that newer players might not have the necessary tools at their disposal for it, be it knowledge of the PF (and if they ran it once before, they also lose the bonus lure), or even just a social circle to help them through it.

You can turn off already seen CS in the config

One of my worst experiences was when I ran Castrum for the first time in DF and I felt forced to skip all the cut scenes =(

Why remove cutscenes, u are not forced to join.

I've seen far too many groups who allow the bonus granting people to watch cutscenes to think that SE should make it a blanket feature. Most groups I have been in are so happy to get bonuses that they will wait for custcenes, especially multiple duties. I think it should continue to be left up to us to decide. If you don;t want cutscenes, put that info in your party finder message. "WT NO CUTSCENES PLS" People do watch cutscenes in unsynched duties that are not related to WT also btw.

At the very least, maybe make it a feature we can choose but please keep it optional not mandatory.